Best ever featherweights

[mike222]

1.W.Pep 2.S.Sanchez 3. S.Saddler 4. H.Armstrong 5. A.Nelson 6. G.Dixon 7. E.Pedroza 8. A.Arguello 9. E.Morales 10.V.Saldivar

[JCS]

I would think a brit would put Hamed in the Top 10 of this list EASILY.

[el_destrampado]

1.W.Pep 2.S.Sanchez 3. S.Saddler 4. H.Armstrong 5. A.Nelson 6. G.Dixon 7. E.Pedroza 8. A.Arguello 9. E.Morales 10.V.Saldivar

good list i'd toss in wilfredo gomez name as well. i'd rate saddler ahead of pep, being as he beat pep in their series

[The Hawk]

I would think a brit would put Hamed in the Top 10 of this list EASILY.

Prince Naseem Hamed

[surf-bat]

1.W.Pep 2.S.Sanchez 3. S.Saddler 4. H.Armstrong 5. A.Nelson 6. G.Dixon 7. E.Pedroza 8. A.Arguello 9. E.Morales 10.V.Saldivar

Sanchez over Saddler and Armstrong?? That's pretty crazy. Eric Morales shouldn't even be on the list. And where is Terry McGovern? Young Griffo?

[surf-bat]

I would think a brit would put Hamed in the Top 10 of this list EASILY.

Only if that Brit has zero historical perspective. Hamed shouldn't even be within smelling distance of a top 10 Featherweight list.

[DoubleM]

On a head-to-head basis:

1. Henry Armstrong
2. Salvador Sanchez
3. Willie Pep

(Coincidentally three of my favourite fighters. It's very, very close between them).

[barry]

Featherweight

1. Henry Armstrong
2. Sandy Saddler
3. Willie Pep
4. Terry McGovern
5. Alexis Arguello
6. George Dixon
7. Abe Attell
8. Jim Driscoll
9. Salvador Sanchez
10. Wilfredo Gomez
11. Johnny Kilbane
12. Kid Chocolate
13. Eusebio Pedroza
14. Johnny Dundee
15. Danny Lopez
16. Vicente Saldivar
17. Naseem Hamed
18. Freddie Miller
19. Ruben Olivares
20. Ultiminio "Sugar" Ramos

[surf-bat]

Featherweight

1. Henry Armstrong
2. Sandy Saddler
3. Willie Pep
4. Terry McGovern
5. Alexis Arguello
6. George Dixon
7. Abe Attell
8. Jim Driscoll
9. Salvador Sanchez
10. Wilfredo Gomez
11. Johnny Kilbane
12. Kid Chocolate
13. Eusebio Pedroza
14. Johnny Dundee
15. Danny Lopez
16. Vicente Saldivar
17. Naseem Hamed
18. Freddie Miller
19. Ruben Olivares
20. Ultiminio "Sugar" Ramos

This is the most sane list so far(though I do think Young Griffo should be on here).

[meade95]

It depends if you mean....what was accomplished at FW....or just simply who would have been the best at FW....in a match-up..

Jeff Fenech in his prime would have been very hard to beat at FW...(though is overall accomplishments at that weight are not all that long...because he wasn't there for that long).

[BrocktonBlockbuster49]

heres my top 5 featherweights


1. willie pep
2. henry armstrong
3. sandy saddler
4. salvador sanchez
5. terry mcgovern





ill post my top 20 later

[surf-bat]

heres my top 5 featherweights


1. willie pep
2. henry armstrong
3. sandy saddler
4. salvador sanchez
5. terry mcgovern





ill post my top 20 later

[Grant]

Good try Barry but the Prince over reuben Olivares? My money would have been on the mexican.
Also Jeff Fenech is a good example someone bought up.
I think a legitament great fighter but never settled in a division. He spent far too much energy chasing titles.
I think he could have been featherweight champ for 5 years.

Featherweight

1. Henry Armstrong
2. Sandy Saddler
3. Willie Pep
4. Terry McGovern
5. Alexis Arguello
6. George Dixon
7. Abe Attell
8. Jim Driscoll
9. Salvador Sanchez
10. Wilfredo Gomez
11. Johnny Kilbane
12. Kid Chocolate
13. Eusebio Pedroza
14. Johnny Dundee
15. Danny Lopez
16. Vicente Saldivar
17. Naseem Hamed
18. Freddie Miller
19. Ruben Olivares
20. Ultiminio "Sugar" Ramos

This is the most sane list so far(though I do think Young Griffo should be on here).

[Ezzard]

Featherweight

1. Henry Armstrong
2. Sandy Saddler
3. Willie Pep
4. Terry McGovern
5. Alexis Arguello
6. George Dixon
7. Abe Attell
8. Jim Driscoll
9. Salvador Sanchez
10. Wilfredo Gomez
11. Johnny Kilbane
12. Kid Chocolate
13. Eusebio Pedroza
14. Johnny Dundee
15. Danny Lopez
16. Vicente Saldivar
17. Naseem Hamed
18. Freddie Miller
19. Ruben Olivares
20. Ultiminio "Sugar" Ramos

Barry, I think you've forgotten Azumah Nelson from your list?

Looking at 10 and 13... Pedroza won a lot of fights at Feather weight. Are you counting Gomez's carrer at 122? How would you see a fight between these 2 going?

[elmersalsa]

My top 10 Featherweights are:

1. Willie Pep
2. Henry Armstrong
3. Sandy Saddler
4. Freddie Miller
5. Salvador Sanchez
6. Kid Chocolate
7. Eusebio Pedroza
8. Alexis Arguello
9. Johnny Dundee
10. Abe Attell

[barry]

>>>Good try Barry but the Prince over reuben Olivares? My money would have been on the mexican.<<<

Olivares is one of my favorites and I rate him very high at bantamweight, but he was not as successful at the featherweight limit.



>>>Barry, I think you've forgotten Azumah Nelson from your list?<<<

I did flub that up pretty bad because Nelson certainly deserves to among the top 20, I just plain out missed him.


>>>Looking at 10 and 13... Pedroza won a lot of fights at Feather weight. Are you counting Gomez's carrer at 122? How would you see a fight between these 2 going?<<<

I don’t rate any of the Jr. Divisions. I rate feather and jr. feather together…bantam and jr. bantam together and so on, though I do not limit a fighter to only one division . Like Henry Armstrong…I rate him at feather, lightweight and welterweight.

As to a Gomez and Pedroza. I think Gomez just had too much all around and would possibly score a pretty decisive stoppage victory. Gomez had it all…chin, punch, footwork, skill, punched to both the head and body with very, very good combinations. At his best I think Gomez would be a toss-up against any fighter of his weight, including Sanchez. I would have really liked to have seen Gomez and Danny Lopez fight, which was in the works, but then Sanchez came along.

[silkov]

I think Olivares should be higher, top ten definately, he beat Chacon, and gave Arguello a very tough fight, he even gave Pedrosa a decent scrap in '78... so while he wasnt the fighter at 126 that he had been at 118, he was still a bit special.
Also Owen Moran deserves to be rated... was jobbed out of decisions against Abe Attell twice and is one of the best fighters ever to come out of Britain even though he never won a title...

[silkov]

>>>Good try Barry but the Prince over reuben Olivares? My money would have been on the mexican.<<<

Olivares is one of my favorites and I rate him very high at bantamweight, but he was not as successful at the featherweight limit.



>>>Barry, I think you've forgotten Azumah Nelson from your list?<<<

I did flub that up pretty bad because Nelson certainly deserves to among the top 20, I just plain out missed him.


>>>Looking at 10 and 13... Pedroza won a lot of fights at Feather weight. Are you counting Gomez's carrer at 122? How would you see a fight between these 2 going?<<<

I don’t rate any of the Jr. Divisions. I rate feather and jr. feather together…bantam and jr. bantam together and so on, though I do not limit a fighter to only one division . Like Henry Armstrong…I rate him at feather, lightweight and welterweight.

As to a Gomez and Pedroza. I think Gomez just had too much all around and would possibly score a pretty decisive stoppage victory. Gomez had it all…chin, punch, footwork, skill, punched to both the head and body with very, very good combinations. At his best I think Gomez would be a toss-up against any fighter of his weight, including Sanchez. I would have really liked to have seen Gomez and Danny Lopez fight, which was in the works, but then Sanchez came along.

I think Gomez was really a natural Bantamweight.... he never convinced me at 126... I think Pedrosa would have been too clever and big for him... at his best Pedrosa was a real toughie as well as being very clever...

[barry]

>>>I think Gomez was really a natural Bantamweight.... he never convinced me at 126... I think Pedrosa would have been too clever and big for him... at his best Pedrosa was a real toughie as well as being very clever...<<<

The only times that Pedroza was ever knocked out was at bantamweight, which were all to big, big punchers for that weight, but he did seem to get a lot stronger at featherweight and Pedroza beat some very good opposition at the weight. I just think Gomez was too talented all around and I don't think the four pounds would have made a difference had he chose to fight at 126 instead of 122, but there wasn't many fighters in that weight range who wanted to have anything to do with Gomez, that is until he became a big money fighter, but before that it was hard for him to get any of the big name fighters to face him.