Wilt-Ali legit topic, these wanker imitation threads are not.

[yancey]

Delete the clutter, please.

[Giancarlo]

All of them are just the same, Yancey.

A bloke who never ever boxed vs a great champ.

How about John "The Wad" Holmes vs Larry "The Easton Asssassin" Holmes?

[keithmoonhangover]

Delete the clutter, please.

I disagree.

[Cygnus475]

Why is there always a pattern with frazier fanboys in downplaying Ali at every given opportunity? Are they too stupid to realize that badmouthing him diminishes frazier's accomplishments?

[Ambling Alp II]

Apparently.

[yancey]

Why is there always a pattern with frazier fanboys in downplaying Ali at every given opportunity? Are they too stupid to realize that badmouthing him diminishes frazier's accomplishments?

So a Frazier "fanboy" should always overstate their opinion of Ali, thus enhancing Frazier's accomplishments, right?

So even though I think Ali might have some real trouble with Wilt, I should lie and say otherwise, thus this somehow builds Frazier up, right?



You really are not too deep, bubba.

My opinion of what Ali could and could not do in the ring stands by itself.

It is based upon what I truly believe and hasn't got one fricking thing to do with some idiotic scheme to build Frazier up.

[yancey]

All of them are just the same, Yancey.

A bloke who never ever boxed vs a great champ.

How about John "The Wad" Holmes vs Larry "The Easton Asssassin" Holmes?

Giancarlo, though we have had our differences, I do respect your opinion.

The point I was making is that Wilt-Ali was a subject of considerable discussion long ago. Wide World of Sports segment, newspaper articles, back and forth between the two in the media, etc. I clearly remember it as being tossed around for about a year back then. My father and I talked about what would happen if they fought. It was something that was real, even though it never came about.

Therefore bringing it up here as a topic has some legitimacy, to my way of thinking.

These other threads are just a joke and really have no place on here.

[Kalan]

These other threads are just a joke and really have no place on here.

Absolutely correct Yancey... Wilt practiced high jumping for 2 months and was breaking KU, state and Big Eight records... He excelled in the triple jump the 440... and the shot put as well. He wasn't just a basketball player and guy who was 7'1" tall like some people here want to make him out to be... When he flattened the bully power forward Clyde Lovellette it was the subject of conversation in the NBA for months. MANY people suggested to Wilt that he could be Heavyweight Champion of the World.. NOT just people who didn't know WTF they're talking about, but Patterson, Terrell, D'Amato, and other people in the Boxing community.

Jess Willard was a completely inept athlete with no interest in Boxing other than a source of making money. HIs only assets were size, strength, and the ability to absorb punishment. Yet he was Heavyweight Champion when probably hundreds of men would have beaten him. His fight with Dempsey was a total joke. Willard was such a poor athlete he looked like a punching bag. Dempsey looked amateurish versus skilled boxer Gene Tunney. Patterson looked like a complete joke against the powerful Liston. Frazier resembled a punching bag with ears when he fought Big George.

Boxing is a game of contrasts and styles. Ali was taller than most people and relied on pulling back from punches, dancing around, being able to use his greater reach and range, and tying people up when they got close (holding is illegal) because he wasn't an infighter. Recently Wladimir Klitschko looked totally inept versus a much taller opponent with a much greater reach - because WK had no body punching or inside fighting skills to counter Fury's height and reach advantages. Ali had some of the same shortcomings as Wladimir: no body attack... no inside game... couldn't duck under punches well... tended to pull straight back from punches... everything that would allow Wilt to foil him at every turn... and that's why Ali refused to sign the laboriously negotiated contract... It's like Too Tall Jones.. Boxing is a BUSINESS.. Nobody could force opponents to fight Too Tall Jones... Nobody can force Canelo to take a certain KO loss to Golovkin.. Nobody could for Santa Cruz or Selby into a ring with Russell or Lomachenko where they would be certain to get knocked out. Nobody can force Adonis Chickenson into a ring with Sergei Kovalev to get flattened. Kovalev was lucky Nathan Cleverly's team made a massive miscalculation... It's worse than ever nowadays because there's so many titles to hide behind that a great fighter like GGG can be isolated until he's an old man... But with 6 months of expert training, is Ali going to want to fight Wilt Chamberlain??? NOOOO!!! And he didn't. Fighting Wilt was walking into a lion's den and he knew it.

[Tomasino]

Is there any footage of Wilts 'bouts' with Lovellette etc?

[Cygnus475]

Why is there always a pattern with frazier fanboys in downplaying Ali at every given opportunity? Are they too stupid to realize that badmouthing him diminishes frazier's accomplishments?

So a Frazier "fanboy" should always overstate their opinion of Ali, thus enhancing Frazier's accomplishments, right?

So even though I think Ali might have some real trouble with Wilt, I should lie and say otherwise, thus this somehow builds Frazier up, right?



You really are not too deep, bubba.

My opinion of what Ali could and could not do in the ring stands by itself.

It is based upon what I truly believe and hasn't got one fricking thing to do with some idiotic scheme to build Frazier up.

Way to put words in my mouth. Try using some reading comprehension.

I said constantly putting Ali down diminishes Frazier's legacy. I've seen many of your posts and you display the typical signs of anti Ali rhetoric. If you hate him that much fine, I have no intention of swaying your opinion nor do I care. I just find it astonishing for someone who loves frazier to make Ali out to be some chump when Ali kicked frazier's ass 2/3 bouts.

Anyway, no, this is an idiotic topic and even being remotely serious in claiming wilt has anything more than a 1/10 punchers chance makes a mockery of boxing.

[Caractacus]

Is there any footage of Wilts 'bouts' with Lovellette etc?

I dunno,but if Wilt Chamberlain had knocked out (what was called back in the 1980's,an "Enforcer")
after the dude hit Chamberlain with an elbow that drove his lower teeth into his upperjaw.
( which I think it may have happened in the 1964 NBA finals)
Aint no way Chamberlain was going to be knocked out by anybody.

[Ambling Alp II]

Because obviously he had a granite chin. He must since he was the best basketball player, was great at track and was big.

[Tuan_Jim]

All of them are just the same, Yancey.

A bloke who never ever boxed vs a great champ.

How about John "The Wad" Holmes vs Larry "The Easton Asssassin" Holmes?

Giancarlo, though we have had our differences, I do respect your opinion.

The point I was making is that Wilt-Ali was a subject of considerable discussion long ago. Wide World of Sports segment, newspaper articles, back and forth between the two in the media, etc. I clearly remember it as being tossed around for about a year back then. My father and I talked about what would happen if they fought. It was something that was real, even though it never came about.

Therefore bringing it up here as a topic has some legitimacy, to my way of thinking.

These other threads are just a joke and really have no place on here.

You've made a prize fool of yourself with this Ali/basketball player crap. Previously you were a one-note Frazier fanatic, whose posts & opinions could be predicted word by word having only seen your name next to the text. Now with this cringeworthy Chamberlain fantasy you've made your username synonymous with troll. Could your vision of The World Class Fighter Chamberlain cause problems for your ferocious fictional Joe Bugner character as well? What a buffoon!

[yancey]

Why is there always a pattern with frazier fanboys in downplaying Ali at every given opportunity? Are they too stupid to realize that badmouthing him diminishes frazier's accomplishments?

So a Frazier "fanboy" should always overstate their opinion of Ali, thus enhancing Frazier's accomplishments, right?

So even though I think Ali might have some real trouble with Wilt, I should lie and say otherwise, thus this somehow builds Frazier up, right?



You really are not too deep, bubba.

My opinion of what Ali could and could not do in the ring stands by itself.

It is based upon what I truly believe and hasn't got one fricking thing to do with some idiotic scheme to build Frazier up.

Way to put words in my mouth. Try using some reading comprehension.

I said constantly putting Ali down diminishes Frazier's legacy. I've seen many of your posts and you display the typical signs of anti Ali rhetoric. If you hate him that much fine, I have no intention of swaying your opinion nor do I care. I just find it astonishing for someone who loves frazier to make Ali out to be some chump when Ali kicked frazier's ass 2/3 bouts.

Anyway, no, this is an idiotic topic and even being remotely serious in claiming wilt has anything more than a 1/10 punchers chance makes a mockery of boxing.

"anti Ali rhetoric"???

I have him right there with Louis as the top ATG and have consistently posted that.

And I have always called him by the name Muhammad Ali.

Does that sound like over the top "anti Ali" behavior?

You are the one with the comprehension issue.

[yancey]

All of them are just the same, Yancey.

A bloke who never ever boxed vs a great champ.

How about John "The Wad" Holmes vs Larry "The Easton Asssassin" Holmes?

Giancarlo, though we have had our differences, I do respect your opinion.

The point I was making is that Wilt-Ali was a subject of considerable discussion long ago. Wide World of Sports segment, newspaper articles, back and forth between the two in the media, etc. I clearly remember it as being tossed around for about a year back then. My father and I talked about what would happen if they fought. It was something that was real, even though it never came about.

Therefore bringing it up here as a topic has some legitimacy, to my way of thinking.

These other threads are just a joke and really have no place on here.

You've made a prize fool of yourself with this Ali/basketball player crap. Previously you were a one-note Frazier fanatic, whose posts & opinions could be predicted word by word having only seen your name next to the text. Now with this cringeworthy Chamberlain fantasy you've made your username synonymous with troll. Could your vision of The World Class Fighter Chamberlain cause problems for your ferocious fictional Joe Bugner character as well? What a buffoon!

Who is this "fictional Joe Bugner character"?



Go lay down, bud.

Or at least lay down the pipe.

[Cygnus475]

So a Frazier "fanboy" should always overstate their opinion of Ali, thus enhancing Frazier's accomplishments, right?

So even though I think Ali might have some real trouble with Wilt, I should lie and say otherwise, thus this somehow builds Frazier up, right?



You really are not too deep, bubba.

My opinion of what Ali could and could not do in the ring stands by itself.

It is based upon what I truly believe and hasn't got one fricking thing to do with some idiotic scheme to build Frazier up.

Way to put words in my mouth. Try using some reading comprehension.

I said constantly putting Ali down diminishes Frazier's legacy. I've seen many of your posts and you display the typical signs of anti Ali rhetoric. If you hate him that much fine, I have no intention of swaying your opinion nor do I care. I just find it astonishing for someone who loves frazier to make Ali out to be some chump when Ali kicked frazier's ass 2/3 bouts.

Anyway, no, this is an idiotic topic and even being remotely serious in claiming wilt has anything more than a 1/10 punchers chance makes a mockery of boxing.

"anti Ali rhetoric"???

I have him right there with Louis as the top ATG and have consistently posted that.

And I have always called him by the name Muhammad Ali.

Does that sound like over the top "anti Ali" behavior?

You are the one with the comprehension issue.

You were literally discussing chamberlin vs Ali as though he had more than a punchers chance and could beat him soundly with 6 months of training. Do I need to post the quotes? Literally everyone but that moron Kalan threw in the towel on that topic realizing it was a troll thread but you were acting as though it was a serious discussion.

[Kalan]

Literally everyone but that moron Kalan threw in the towel on that topic realizing it was a troll thread but you were acting as though it was a serious discussion.

You're seriously stupid Cygus... I've seen raw amateurs who where great athletes KO long time pros in a sparring session. Wladimir Klitschko had a ton more amateur and pro experience at a high level than Corrie Sanders. He was bigger and stronger and a massive favorite. Why was Sanders hitting WK with every left hand he threw??? Considering the fact that Hagler and Barkley wasted Tommy Hearns---why was Hearns able to bombard Duran non-stop when Hagler and Barkley couldn't do that to Duran??? Trainers who can't figure this stuff out always blame it on "Styles make Fights" but that's not the real story. The problem comes when missiles zoom in at you from angles you're not familiar with.

Those punches were coming in at angles Klitschko and Duran never saw before... There are tons of sparring partners Wilt can find who are 6'3" but how many sparring partners is Ali going to find that are 7'1" with shoulders as big and arms and legs as long as Wilt??? Chamberlain was one-of-a-kind!!! That's what Cus D'Amato was so excited about.. "Ali can't prepare for you. You think sparring with Bill Russell will help him??? Hell no. Ali's not going to find ANY sparring partners who can get him ready and we can find a dozen."

Boxing isn't Tennis, Swimming, or Track & Field. Everybody throws a little different and there's somebody out there who will kill you.

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I blame Wilt Chamberlain!

[Cygnus475]

Literally everyone but that moron Kalan threw in the towel on that topic realizing it was a troll thread but you were acting as though it was a serious discussion.

You're seriously stupid Cygus... I've seen raw amateurs who where great athletes KO long time pros in a sparring session. Wladimir Klitschko had a ton more amateur and pro experience at a high level than Corrie Sanders. He was bigger and stronger and a massive favorite. Why was Sanders hitting WK with every left hand he threw??? Considering the fact that Hagler and Barkley wasted Tommy Hearns---why was Hearns able to bombard Duran non-stop when Hagler and Barkley couldn't do that to Duran??? Trainers who can't figure this stuff out always blame it on "Styles make Fights" but that's not the real story. The problem comes when missiles zoom in at you from angles you're not familiar with.

Those punches were coming in at angles Klitschko and Duran never saw before... There are tons of sparring partners Wilt can find who are 6'3" but how many sparring partners is Ali going to find that are 7'1" with shoulders as big and arms and legs as long as Wilt??? Chamberlain was one-of-a-kind!!! That's what Cus D'Amato was so excited about.. "Ali can't prepare for you. You think sparring with Bill Russell will help him??? Hell no. Ali's not going to find ANY sparring partners who can get him ready and we can find a dozen."

Boxing isn't Tennis, Swimming, or Track & Field. Everybody throws a little different and there's somebody out there who will kill you.

No

Corrie knocked out Wlad because he had a weak chin in addition to not being used to southpaw and kept a very foolish stance that left him wide open for lefts down the middle.

Lmao at bringing up sparring sessions. Nothing matters unless it happens in a sanctioned pro fight.

Likewise wilt isn't gonna find anyone who can mimic Ali to prepare him for their fight. The closest is Holmes but he was way too green and inexperienced when this fight was being discussed.

Anyway, it doesn't matter because natural talent and size can't make up for zero professional experience even with 6 months of training. You're a complete idiot or a troll (or both) if you think otherwise and that's all there is to it. Not getting dragged into this crap again.

[Syntax Error]

Is there any footage of Wilts 'bouts' with Lovellette etc?

I'd love to see those 'bouts'.

This Wilt Chamberlain bloke sounds like quite a guy; able to leap tall buildings, run at the speed of light & stop the planet rotating at the click of one of his mighty fingers.

No wonder Ali didn't want any part of him, otherwise we'd have forgotten about Muhammad a long time ago; a mere footnote in history he'd be, had he had the cajones to take on the mighty Wilt!

[cfang]

Is there any footage of Wilts 'bouts' with Lovellette etc?

I'd love to see those 'bouts'.

This Wilt Chamberlain bloke sounds like quite a guy; able to leap tall buildings, run at the speed of light & stop the planet rotating at the click of one of his mighty fingers.

No wonder Ali didn't want any part of him, otherwise we'd have forgotten about Muhammad a long time ago; a mere footnote in history he'd be, had he had the cajones to take on the mighty Wilt!

[m1kee50]

Thought this back-and-forth 'Ali wasn't all that' stuff was kept safely tucked away in BOTP, which is where this is being sent.

[lefty]

All these threads are making the OT look like the CS.

[Kalan]

[quote="Cygnus475] Wilt isn't gonna find anyone who can mimic Ali to prepare him for their fight. The closest is Holmes but he was way too green and inexperienced when this fight was being discussed[/quote]

That's very funny. You wouldn't want Holmes in 1965 or 67... Cus D'Amato was a wise old head. He could find dozens of orthodox boxers he could get for Chamberlain who could move well and box well, and simulate Ali's style: Tony Alongo.. Henry Clark.. Jimmy Ellis.. Amos Lincoln.. Jim Fletcher.. Tony Doyle.. Hubie Hilton.. Roger Risher.. Jefferson Davis.. Ray Patterson.. Thad Spencer.. Maybe Greg Peralta just for the jab and his chin. D'Amato would come up with better names than I could, because he knew all the fighters and how good everyone was, and their style.. Cus was the greatest matchmaker EVER. Wilt would need about a dozen of sparmates. There's always 2 or 3 who can't handle the work and you have to send them home. But you want orthodox guys from 6'1" to 6'4" who can box and move. They don't have to do the shoe shine Ali shuffle because Wilt isn't paying any attention to that and neither are the judges. They need to jab and punch very quickly and move quickly. Wilt would probably be boxing 15 rounds a day after a couple months when the coaches got up to speed.

One advantage Wilt had is he wouldn't have to unlearn any bad habits... Joe Louis had so many bad habits from the amateurs that Blackburn would work into the night with him to get rid of them. Klitschko had so many bad habits when Steward got him it was a nightmare to eradicate them. It's better to start with a clean slate. Chamberlain was used to flying, airports, different cities, different hotels, different beds, different restaurants, daily travel schedules, and all the hassles that came with the NBA in those days.. Being in one training camp and sleeping in the same bed every night, having one chief chef and consistent food every day would be a blessing for Wilt. He could focus on boxing, strength, and conditioning 24/7 instead of worrying about catching planes, cabs, team buses, and packing and unpacking gear.

[foxdog1923]

Delete the clutter, please.

Theyre all fantastical match ups. Wilt Ali never happened so have all the other fantastical threads. We just talk shlt about Wilt and Ali but we never really KNOW do we and that's the truth. Just talk shlt. That's what the other threads are too.