Post Your Scorecards

[Counter-puncher]

Yeah he looked horrible in those fights. That a guy who was formerly so adept and nimble became so almost clumsy, he looked like his boots were tied together, it is pretty uncomfortable to watch.

[scartissue]

Just watched the Jerry Quarry - Thad Spencer semi-final from the classic heavyweight tourney back in '68. Scored on the California system of 1 point a round, an extra point for a knockdown and none for an even round. Here we go.

Round 1: Quarry
Round 2: Even
Round 3: Even
Round 4: Quarry (scores a knockdown)
Round 5: Quarry
Round 6: Spencer
Round 7: Spencer
Round 8: Quarry
Round 9: Spencer
Round 10: Quarry (scores a knockdown)
Round 11: Even
Round 12: Quarry stops Spencer at 2:57 of the round

Total through 11 completed rounds - 7-3 Quarry

Don't know how the officials had it scored when it was stopped, but on my card there was no way Spencer could have taken it. Spencer was a nice sharp puncher whereas Quarry could seemingly hurt Thad when he pleased. This was a young Quarry, who would get sloppy at times and who allowed Thad back into the fight in the middle rounds. But decent fight.

[scartissue]

I love youtube. Finally got a chance to see a fight I never saw before. The '74 John Conteh-Jorge Ahumada fight. Just a really good contest, fiercely fought over the real championship - 15 rounds. Here we go, 10 point must system in effect per WBC rules.

Round 1: 10-10 Even
Round 2: 10-9 Ahumada
Round 3: 10-9 Conteh
Round 4: 10-9 Ahumada
Round 5: 10-9 Conteh
Round 6: 10-9 Conteh
Round 7: 10-9 Ahumada
Round 8: 10-10 Even
Round 9: 10-9 Ahumada
Round 10: 10-9 Ahumada
Round 11: 10-9 Conteh
Round 12: 10-9 Conteh
Round 13: 10-9 Conteh
Round 14: 10-10 Even
Round 15: 10-9 Conteh

Total: 145-142 Conteh

It wasn't until the 13th, 14th, 15th things got a little sloppy, but they had set a great pace earlier. Two warriors and Ahumada just seemed that hard luck fighter losing two close decisions to Conteh and Galindez and getting robbed - by way of a draw - against Foster. All for the title.

[Counter-puncher]

They set a great pace for lightheavies

[Seamus]

Muhammad Ali vs Joe Frazier II

R1.MA
R2.MA
R3.MA
R4.JF
R5.MA
R6.MA
R7.JF
R8.JF
R9.MA
R10.JF
R11.MA
R12.MA

Muhammad Ali 8-4

Pretty easy fight to score. Ali through the faster more accurate punches and never let Frazier get into rhythm. Official scores had Ali winning 6-5 7-4 8-4.

[scartissue]

Here's a really classic fight for us. The on-the-comeback-trail Sugar Ray Robinson vs Ralph Tiger Jones. Robinson had such a classy style and it is also apparent why the networks loved Jones. Because all his fights would go the distance. But I didn't see the fight the way we've read about it all these years.

Round 1: 10-9 Jones
Round 2: 10-9 Robinson
Round 3: 10-9 Robinson
Round 4: 10-9 Jones
Round 5: 10-9 Robinson
Round 6: 10-9 Jones
Round 7: 10-9 Jones
Round 8: 10-10 Even
Round 9: 10-9 Robinson
Round 10: 10-10 Even

Total: 96-96 Draw

I really thought after the 7th round that this was where Jones was taking off, but he seemed to decelerate. Robinson was absolutely dead in that last round, ready to be taken, but Jones just wouldn't throw punches and Sugar was throwing everything no matter how sloppy at Jones to pull out a draw on my card. I'm obviously in the minority on this one, but I still enjoyed it. Let me know if anyone has scored this one.

[scartissue]

Ruben Olivares vs Art Hafey II

Rounds 1 thru 9 Olivares
/rounds 10 thru 12 Hafey plus an additional pt for the knockdown in the 10th

Ruben Olivares 9-4

Olivares boxed superbly for the first 9 rounds relying heavily on the jab, using footwork and throwing lot's of combinations, while Hafey looked tough but limited, not jabbing enough and trying to do too much with the left hook. Finally Hafey got to Olivares in the 10th and had him in some trouble, but the Mexican hung on and avoided being stopped once again with a combination of jabbing and footwork. One judge actually scored it for Hafey.

Seamus, I've seen this fight before and I never knew what the beef was on this one. I know Richard Steele's score came under fire but I see it and I see your score as well. California scoring, one point for a round, none for even and an extra point for a knockdown.

Round 1: Even
Round 2: Olivares
Round 3: Olivares
Round 4: Olivares
Round 5: Olivares
Round 6: Olivares
Round 7: Olivares
Round 8: Even (I have no problem seeing your scoring the round for Olivares - I think I scored it even because Art was getting closer and I was getting embarrassed scoring all these for Ruben LOL)
Round 9: Olivares
Round 10: Hafey (scores a knockdown)
Round 11: Hafey
Round 12: Olivares

Total: 8-3 Olivares

I thought Ruben fought a brilliant fight where he turned matador. After getting knocked out by Hafey previously he demonstrated that he wasn't just a banger and he came prepared for this one. He really was so versatile and so very underrated at 126.

[Seamus]

A couple of Jimmy Young fights.

Ken Norton vs Jimmy Young

R1.10-9 JY
R2.10-9 JY
R3.10-9 JY
R4.10-9 JY
R5.10-9 KN
R6.10-9 KN
R7.10-9 KN
R8.10-9 KN
R9.10-9 KN
R10.10-9 JY
R11.10-10
R12.10-9 JY
R13.10-9 JY
R14.10-9 JY
R15.10-10

Jimmy Young 145-142

After getting clearly outboxed over the first
4 rds, Norton looked to have found his rhythm with a sustained body attack
that really looked to be wearing down Young, but for some reason he appeared
to abandon it around the 10th and the momentum shifted back to Young.


Jimmy Young vs George Foreman

R1.10-10
R2.10-9 JY
R3.10-8 JY (pt deducted from Foreman for pulling Young's head down I
believe)
R4.10-10
R5.10-9 GF
R6.10-9 GF
R7.10-8 GF (no knockdown but Young hurt and wobbled around the ring)
R8.10-9 JY
R9.10-10
R10.10-9 GF
R11.10-9 JY
R12.10-8 JY (Foreman down)

Jimmy Young 115-113

This fight had a few rds that were pretty dull, but the action really picked up in the second half. Young was a bad matchup for Foreman, but I think a busy fighter like Frazier would have been a bad matchup for Young.

[scartissue]

[quote="Seamus"]A couple of Jimmy Young fights.

Ken Norton vs Jimmy Young

R1.10-9 JY
R2.10-9 JY
R3.10-9 JY
R4.10-9 JY
R5.10-9 KN
R6.10-9 KN
R7.10-9 KN
R8.10-9 KN
R9.10-9 KN
R10.10-9 JY
R11.10-10
R12.10-9 JY
R13.10-9 JY
R14.10-9 JY
R15.10-10

Jimmy Young 145-142

After getting clearly outboxed over the first
4 rds, Norton looked to have found his rhythm with a sustained body attack
that really looked to be wearing down Young, but for some reason he appeared
to abandon it around the 10th and the momentum shifted back to Young.


Seamus, I scored Young-Norton 145-144 for Young. Good tough fight.

[scartissue]

Here was a damn good fight. The second Sumbu Kalambay - Herol Graham fight. I started to watch their first fight, but the second round was missing on youtube and I just stopped realizing it's probably highlights only, but then I saw this one. Fought in a small ring, which obviously favored Kalambay and I'm assuming the 10 point must system.

Round 1: 10-9 Graham
Round 2: 10-7 Graham (although I read about this fight, I just don't remember reading that Graham scored two knockdowns this round)
Round 3: 10-9 Kalambay
Round 4: 10-8 Kalambay (the ref didn't care for Graham's penchant for spinning his opponent. He warned him twice and then deducted a point)
Round 5: 10-10 Even
Round 6: 10-9 Graham
Round 7: 10-9 Graham
Round 8: 10-9 Graham
Round 9: 10-9 Kalambay
Round 10: 10-10 Even
Round 11: 10-9 Graham
Round 12: 10-8 Kalambay (I have no idea why Graham had this point deducted)

Total: 114-112 Graham

Definitely thought Herol deserved this one. But good fight and they fought their hearts out.

[scartissue]

Here's one from our history books. The well-chewed 'robbery' between Marvin Hagler and Bobby watts in their first fight. Philly's 5 point must system.

Round 1: 5-4 Watts
Round 2: 5-4 Hagler
Round 3: 5-4 Watts
Round 4: 5-4 Hagler
Round 5: 5-4 Watts
Round 6: 5-4 Hagler
Round 7: 5-4 Hagler
Round 8: 5-5 Even
Round 9: 5-4 Hagler
Round 10: 5-4 Watts

Total: 46-45 Hagler

I wouldn't scream robbery on this one. This was a Hagler still in his incubation period and Boogaloo was adept at flashy combos and tieing up. The tieing up really wore on the crowd though. They saw who was trying to make the fight.

[Seamus]

I never got around to scoring the first 3 Pacquiao v Marquez fights, so here they are.

Manny Pacquiao v Juan Manuel Marquez I

R1.10-6 MP
R2.10-9 MP
R3.10-10
R4.10-9 JMM
R5.10-9 JMM
R6.10-9 JMM
R7.10-9 JMM
R8.10-9 JMM
R9.10-9 JMM
R10.10-10
R11.10-9 JMM
R12.10-9 MP

Juan Manuel Marquez 114-113


Manny Pacquiao v Juan Manuel Marquez II

R1.10-9 JMM
R2.10-9 JMM
R3.10-8 MP
R4.10-9 MP
R5.10-9 JMM
R6.10-10
R7.10-10
R8.10-9 JMM
R9.10-10
R10.10-9 MP
R11.10-9 JMM
R12.10-9 JMM

Juan Manuel Marquez 116-114

Manny Pacquiao v Juan Manuel Marquez III

R1.10-9 MP
R2.10-10
R3.10-9 MP
R4.10-9 MP
R5.10-9 JMM
R6.10-10
R7.10-9 JMM
R8.10-10
R9.10-9 JMM
R10.10-9 !0-9 JMM
R11.10-9 MP
R12.10-9 MP

Manny Pacquiao 116-115

[Ambling Alp II]

All three were very close. As for the first fight, since Marquez got knocked down three times in the first fight, aren't we supposed to ignore the rest of the rounds and automatically give Pac the decision?

[SaadOffTheDeck]

I had the first fight 114-111 Marquez, 114-113 Pac in the second, 116-112 JMM in the 3rd.

[scartissue]

Just checked out the Gerrie Coetzee-Renaldo Snipes bout fought in NY back in the early '80s. I know I felt Coetzee was robbed then, but now I put pen to paper. The thing is, this is NY rules, which was a rounds basis so it isn't like we can score a round 10-8 if there is a knockdown. It's just a winning round. So here we go.

Round 1: Coetzee (scores a knockdown)
Round 2: Coetzee
Round 3: Coetzee
Round 4: Coetzee (scores a knockdown)
Round 5: Snipes
Round 6: Even
Round 7: Coetzee
Round 8: Snipes
Round 9: Even
Round 10: Even

Total: 5-2-3 Coetzee

Rounds 6, 9 & 10 I scored even as they became sloppy and mauling. It was near impossible to pick anyone out deserving those rounds and I never like to choose on the basis of 'finding it necessary' to pick someone excelling in a non-deserving instance. So there you have it. Anyone else see this one?

[scartissue]

Wilfred Benitez vs Carlos Palomino

R1.Even
R2.10-9 WB
R3.10-9 WB
R4.10-9 CP
R5.10-9 CP
R6.10-9 WB
R7.10-9 WB
R8.10-9 WB
R9.10-9 WB
R10.10-9 WB
R11.10-9 WB
R12.10-9 WB
R13.Even
R14.10-9 WB
R15.10-9 CP

Wilfred Benitez 147-140

This was a boxing clinic from Benitez, who wouldn't allow Palomino to get into a rhythm of body punching. The 9th and the 14th were my favorite. In the latter, Palomino look's to have finally gotten Benitez where he want's him, i,e, pinned on the ropes, but it's Wilfred who ends up taking the round with his counterpunching. A split decision by the way was ridiculous.

Seamus, I wanted to re-check out the Palomino-Dave 'Boy' Green fight but found it was highlights only. So I decide to check out Palomino-Benitez which I haven't seen since '79? I think. Anyways, time can be a B!tch, because it was a lot closer than I remembered. Also, I seem to have always remembered Benitez performing a boxing clinic off the ropes, but he actually only did it at the end of the 14th and maybe a bit in the 15th. Damn!!! Anyways, enough about my memory, here we go.

Round 1: 10-10 Even
Round 2: 10-10 Even
Round 3: 10-9 Benitez
Round 4: 10-9 Palomino
Round 5: 10-9 Palomino
Round 6: 10-9 Benitez
Round 7: 10-9 Benitez
Round 8: 10-9 Benitez
Round 9: 10-9 Benitez
Round 10: 10-9 Palomino
Round 11: 10-9 Benitez
Round 12: 10-10 Even
Round 13: 10-9 Palomino
Round 14: 10-9 Benitez
Round 15: 10-9 Benitez

Total 146-142 Benitez

You and I agreed completely on 10 rounds, there were 3 more rounds one of us scored even and only 2 rounds - the 10th and the 15th - that we disagreed on. Not great fight but damn good fight between two fighters that are vastly underrated as the years tick by.

[Ambling Alp II]

It was an entertaining fight. People need to watch this to appreciate Benitez, he seems to get overshadowed by other great fighters of his era.

[Ambling Alp II]

Just checked out the Gerrie Coetzee-Renaldo Snipes bout fought in NY back in the early '80s. I know I felt Coetzee was robbed then, but now I put pen to paper. The thing is, this is NY rules, which was a rounds basis so it isn't like we can score a round 10-8 if there is a knockdown. It's just a winning round. So here we go.

Round 1: Coetzee (scores a knockdown)
Round 2: Coetzee
Round 3: Coetzee
Round 4: Coetzee (scores a knockdown)
Round 5: Snipes
Round 6: Even
Round 7: Coetzee
Round 8: Snipes
Round 9: Even
Round 10: Even

Total: 5-2-3 Coetzee

Rounds 6, 9 & 10 I scored even as they became sloppy and mauling. It was near impossible to pick anyone out deserving those rounds and I never like to choose on the basis of 'finding it necessary' to pick someone excelling in a non-deserving instance. So there you have it. Anyone else see this one?

I remember watching this one. It is one of the fights where if you look at the overall impression of the fight it seems that Coatzee should have won clearly. However, when you break down the rounds (remember it's the rounds system for this fight) it gets closer.
The decision was important, because it got Snipes a title shot against Larry Holmes.

[Keko]

Jimmy Young vs George Foreman

R1.10-9 JY
R2.10:9 JY
R3.10:9 JY
R4.10-10
R5.10-9 GF
R6.10-9 GF
R7.10-8 GF
R8.10-9 JY
R9.10-10
R10.10-9 GF
R11.10-9 JY
R12.10-8 JY (Foreman down)

115:113 Jimmy Young

[Seamus]

Wilfred Benitez vs Bruce Curry I

R1.BC
R2.WB
R3.BC
R4.BC (Benitez done twice)
R5.BC (Benitez down)
R6.BC
R7.WB
R8.Even
R9.Even
R10.WB

Bruce Curry 5-3-2 had this been on supplemental scoring it would have been 8-3 Curry and on the 10 pt must 97-92 Curry

Wilfred Benitez vs Donald Curry II

R1.Even
R2.Even
R3.BC
R4.Even
R5.WB
R6.WB
R7.WB
R8.WB
R9.Even
R10.WB

Wilfred Benitez 5-1-4

After his sloppy defensive performance in the first bout, Benitez looks himself again, with better accuracy and 4 and 5 punch counters to the body that take there toll on Curry. In the final analysis, Curry was robbed in the first bout, but if the second one had been 15, I think Benitez would have taken him out before the final bell.

[Seamus]

Wilfred benitez vs Harold Weston I

R1.WB
R2.HW
R3.Even
R4.WB
R5.WB
R6.WB
R7.WB
R8.WB
R9.HW
R10.Even

Wilfred Benitez 6-2-2

I just can't see how this fight ended up as a draw.

Wilfred Benitez vs Harold Weston II

R1.10-9 HW
R2.10-9 HW
R3.!0-9 HW
R4.10-9 HW
R5.10-9 HW
R6.10-9 WB
R7.10-9 WB
R8.10-10
R9.10-9 WB
R10.10-10
R11.10-10
R12.10-9 WB
R13.10-9 WB
R14.10-9 WB
R15.10-10

Wilfred Benitez 145-144

Harold Weston almost pulls it off with a sustained body attack against Benitez in his home town in brutal heat, but Benitez shows he's not only a crafty boxer, but a pretty durable fighter. One judge also had this a 1 pt win and another had Benitez by 2.

[Ambling Alp II]

I watched the rematch live on TV and don't remember it being all that close. Guess I need to see it again.

[Seamus]

Jerry Quarry vs Ron Lyle

Lyle won the 2nd round and I called the 4th even. Jerry Quarry won the other 10.

Jerry Quarry 10-1

Lyle landed several good shots, but almost every time he did, Quarry answered with 4, 5 and 10 of his own. Lyle just too sluggish and plodding against an opponent who was too busy for him.

[Ambling Alp II]

This was one of Quarry's best fights. I thought he won easily as well.

[Seamus]

Yoko Gushiken vs Jaime Rios I

Rios won the 3rd rd by 2 pts dropping Gushiken with a right to jaw, and I also gave him the 11th, and Gushiken got the rest
Yoko Gushiken 72-62

Unbelievably this was a split decision. Rios is a guy who looks small even for a Light Flyweight, and who showed bursts of energy where he'd move at an almost frantic pace, avoid punches and then land a few counters. Problem is though, he went into too many lulls of inactivity which you can't do against a guy like Gushiken, who's always got busy hands.