flem1 wrote:You have to remember Ryanbinski was so convinced that Durodola was on PEDs when he KOd Khudryashov but it got him nowhere because RUSADA is unreliable
You believe that because RUSADA is Russian, while VADA is American, right?
I think there's something shady going on with VADA (and the WBC) while RUSADA is more trustworthy.
You appear to be a real idiot... Why do you think VADA, the WBC, and Wilder's team are not releasing the concentrations???? They have access to ALL the drug test data, but releasing it would make them look like criminals wouldn't it???? Are they going to sue Povetkin's team for slander and defamation or say they're lying???? HELL NO!!!! ... They know the Poveketkin team is being truthful and can sue them if they're saying they're not. They're trying to say the concentrations of the tests aren't the issue. They're saying Povetkin tested completely clear and then he tested for an minute and allowable trace -- so that could only mean he continued to take the drug.. That sounds logical to some idiots, but you need to test at 1 microgram or above to be positive. Tests have been known to vary 70 nanograms because of different levels of hydration (which is not taken into account, you have to pass regardless of hydration). 70 nanograms is a very minute concentration compared to the allowable concentration that its almost laughable. To say your test cannot vary and they have to be consistent to the nanogram when they all have allowable concentrations is insanity. But it plays in the American media because Povetkin is a Russian. Americans just want a champion regardless of the circumstances.
Maybe Wilder's team, the WBC, and VADA think that, being so many thousands of miles away with a language barrier, and Victor Conte being so familiar with the legal system (he's been to prison for PED distribution), that Povetkin and his promoter won't even bother to sue -- or maybe they think they can bribe the judges, thwart justice, and get a ruling their way if and when Povetkin and his promoter bring a lawsuit.
Meanwhile, maybe American promoters think they can make hundreds of millions off Wilder from cherry fights... Joshua-Wilder... and Fury-Wilder... and pay for any legal settlement easily with the proceeds -- whereas if Wilder lost to Povetkin and their rivals started promoting his fights in Russia, they'd lose big time... America is minus Mayweather and minus ANY Heavyweight Champion if they lose Wilder.
BTW... Meldonium is a cardiovascular preparation freely available for purchase at pharmacies in Europe without a doctor’s prescription. It is NOT a steroid. Although it is has been added to the banned list since January 1st, it’s there more for political reasons than anything. It’s not a PED and the manufacturer is trying to get it removed from the PED list. It's been legal to take for years. A boxer can’t smoke marijuana for instance, but you can buy it freely where it’s legal for sale. Mike Tyson, Tim Witherspoon, and Chavez Jr are supposed drug cheats because they had marijuana in their samples. But they had above the allowed concentrations… Povetkin had below the allowable concentrations.
Thanks for the link. It makes me wonder now how the 4th test would show traces, even the B sample, after three tests prior were fine. Looks like it will be a few months until things get sorted out. Hopefully the fight happens early next year still, assuming they find Povetkin in no wrong doing.
Also, Kalan I again see you quoted me on my alerts. For the third time, you are not only a compete fu.cking retard, you are on my ignore list. Thus I can't see your posts. So what this means to anyone with common sense, is to stop quoting me in an effort to talk BS. I can't see the posts. Please also stay 1000 ft away from schools as well.
Kalan wrote:BTW... Meldonium is a cardiovascular preparation freely available for purchase at pharmacies in Europe without a doctor’s prescription. It is NOT a steroid. Although it is has been added to the banned list since January 1st, it’s there more for political reasons than anything. It’s not a PED and the manufacturer is trying to get it removed from the PED list. It's been legal to take for years. A boxer can’t smoke marijuana for instance, but you can buy it freely where it’s legal for sale. Mike Tyson, Tim Witherspoon, and Chavez Jr are supposed drug cheats because they had marijuana in their samples. But they had above the allowed concentrations… Povetkin had below the allowable concentrations.
Meldonium helps to increase energy thus improving performance. Povetkin is a healthy individual with no cardiovascular conditions whatsoever. He took it because it was a legal way to enhance performance by way of increased energy, therefore it is absolutely a PED which will then need to be banned hence it's addition to the WADA banned substances list.
foxdog1923 wrote:Meldonium helps to increase energy thus improving performance ... He took it because it was a legal way to enhance performance by way of increased energy, therefore it is absolutely a PED which will then need to be banned hence it's addition to the WADA banned substances list
Caffeine is a drug and helps increase energy. That’s why people drink coffee. Taking amino acids helps increase energy. Dark chocolate, energy bars.. various protein drink concoctions.. bee pollen.. royal jelly.. even improving your diet helps increase energy... although none of those are going to be banned because increasing your energy is not the test.. They might limit the amount of caffeine you can have in your system at some point - but to arbitrarily put a Latvian product on the banned list is political and arbitrary. Then to target somebody like Povetkin with innuendo and defamation is really criminal.
foxdog1923 wrote:Meldonium helps to increase energy thus improving performance ... He took it because it was a legal way to enhance performance by way of increased energy, therefore it is absolutely a PED which will then need to be banned hence it's addition to the WADA banned substances list
Caffeine is a drug and helps increase energy. That’s why people drink coffee. Taking amino acids helps increase energy. Dark chocolate, energy bars.. various protein drink concoctions.. bee pollen.. royal jelly.. even improving your diet helps increase energy... although none of those are going to be banned because increasing your energy is not the test.. They might limit the amount of caffeine you can have in your system at some point - but to arbitrarily put a Latvian product on the banned list is political and arbitrary. Then to target somebody like Povetkin with innuendo and defamation is really criminal.
If only you were the boss of WADA or in a position there where you could ACTUALLY make a difference. I see your belittling the situation but why are you trying to convince us that it's nothing? You need to be saying this to WADA cos right now preaching it to us AINT working and Povetkin is still in trouble despite what you say. Think about that.
foxdog1923 wrote:If only you were the boss of WADA or in a position there where you could ACTUALLY make a difference. I see your belittling the situation but why are you trying to convince us that it's nothing? You need to be saying this to WADA cos right now preaching it to us AINT working and Povetkin is still in trouble despite what you say. Think about that.
You mean VADA and the WBC.. WADA established the ban I believe, but Povetkin tested under the limit. It was VADA and the WBC who are putting out this inflammatory message, innuendo and smear job – and misrepresenting the tests and the effects of Meldonium, a medication that has been perfectly legal for years without so much as a peep out of anyone. It can be bought over the counter in Europe where steroids and dangerous anabolics are outlawed. Obviously such a small micro trace of Meldonium in his system has zero effect on Povetkin’s performance. I can’t do anything about it except speak out on forums like this one. Povetkin, his team, and his promoter have to defend themselves vigorously and take legal action. If those guys take this laying down, Povetkin is 36 years old. He has to get charging on this because his career will be over soon.
foxdog1923 wrote:If only you were the boss of WADA or in a position there where you could ACTUALLY make a difference. I see your belittling the situation but why are you trying to convince us that it's nothing? You need to be saying this to WADA cos right now preaching it to us AINT working and Povetkin is still in trouble despite what you say. Think about that.
You mean VADA and the WBC.. WADA established the ban I believe, but Povetkin tested under the limit. It was VADA and the WBC who are putting out this inflammatory message, innuendo and smear job – and misrepresenting the tests and the effects of Meldonium, a medication that has been perfectly legal for years without so much as a peep out of anyone. It can be bought over the counter in Europe where steroids and dangerous anabolics are outlawed. Obviously such a small micro trace of Meldonium in his system has zero effect on Povetkin’s performance. I can’t do anything about it except speak out on forums like this one. Povetkin, his team, and his promoter have to defend themselves vigorously and take legal action. If those guys take this laying down, Povetkin is 36 years old. He has to get charging on this because his career will be over soon.
Look you should speak out as there's always two sides to a story. So Im kind of retracting from my last post. Just not a big fan of how you put things across. Also what you're saying, I have read about from other sources so I know all of what I've red from you on THIS matter is valid.
I've got no problem with Povetkin. Time in his prime is ticking. I think he'll beat Wilder, he doesn't need Meldonium. I'm just pissed there's no fight and when your pissed at something you only ask why?
It's kind of shocking how you aren't picking up on this Kalan. You are on my ignore list, thus I can't see your posts or PM's. It tells me I have a notice that you have quoted me, but thankfully I can't see anything aside that. I know a guy in Jack's camp that bitches less about Bute failing his test and he actually has something to do with the fight/fighter. So basically get off Povetkin's sack, and mine for that matter. For the 4th time genius, when you quote my posts, I have blocked them. You are wasting your time jackass, for I don't see anything you write. It's really not hard to comprehend....
foxdog1923 wrote:If only you were the boss of WADA or in a position there where you could ACTUALLY make a difference. I see your belittling the situation but why are you trying to convince us that it's nothing? You need to be saying this to WADA cos right now preaching it to us AINT working and Povetkin is still in trouble despite what you say. Think about that.
You mean VADA and the WBC.. WADA established the ban I believe, but Povetkin tested under the limit. It was VADA and the WBC who are putting out this inflammatory message, innuendo and smear job – and misrepresenting the tests and the effects of Meldonium, a medication that has been perfectly legal for years without so much as a peep out of anyone. It can be bought over the counter in Europe where steroids and dangerous anabolics are outlawed. Obviously such a small micro trace of Meldonium in his system has zero effect on Povetkin’s performance. I can’t do anything about it except speak out on forums like this one. Povetkin, his team, and his promoter have to defend themselves vigorously and take legal action. If those guys take this laying down, Povetkin is 36 years old. He has to get charging on this because his career will be over soon.
His career should have been over 3 years ago, after the disgrace vs overthetop Klitchko. But Riabinsky's money arranged him becoming WBC mandatory. His wallet Riabinsky(Kremlin/Rosneft actually) overpaid millions to bring the championship fight to Moscow (same as vs Klitchko). So far WBC was totally on his side.
But he kicked the bucket, got caught - and suddenly WBC is the bad guys??? And Wilder is blamed for something???
foxdog1923 wrote:If only you were the boss of WADA or in a position there where you could ACTUALLY make a difference. I see your belittling the situation but why are you trying to convince us that it's nothing? You need to be saying this to WADA cos right now preaching it to us AINT working and Povetkin is still in trouble despite what you say. Think about that.
You mean VADA and the WBC.. WADA established the ban I believe, but Povetkin tested under the limit. It was VADA and the WBC who are putting out this inflammatory message, innuendo and smear job – and misrepresenting the tests and the effects of Meldonium, a medication that has been perfectly legal for years without so much as a peep out of anyone. It can be bought over the counter in Europe where steroids and dangerous anabolics are outlawed. Obviously such a small micro trace of Meldonium in his system has zero effect on Povetkin’s performance. I can’t do anything about it except speak out on forums like this one. Povetkin, his team, and his promoter have to defend themselves vigorously and take legal action. If those guys take this laying down, Povetkin is 36 years old. He has to get charging on this because his career will be over soon.
His career should have been over 3 years ago, after the disgrace vs overthetop Klitchko. But Riabinsky's money arranged him becoming WBC mandatory. His wallet Riabinsky(Kremlin/Rosneft actually) overpaid millions to bring the championship fight to Moscow (same as vs Klitchko). So far WBC was totally on his side.
But he kicked the bucket, got caught - and suddenly WBC is the bad guys??? And Wilder is blamed for something???
Wow that's BIG news. I never knew about the Klitschko fiasco. Kalan what you got to say about this?
Victor Conte, the CEO of SNAC System and BALCO founder who supplied PEDs to athletes such as Barry Bonds and Marion Jones, told USA TODAY Sports that there are many variables that determine how long a substance such as meldonium stays in the system.
Injectables last twice as long as oral capsules, and it also depends on length of use, dosage and body-fat percentage. Conte used nandrolone as an example. The anabolic steroid, called the “kiss of death” for athletes who use it, sometimes stays in the system as long as 18 months.
Meldonium enhances an athlete’s performance by creating larger red blood cells while also removing byproducts such as ammonia, carbon dioxide and lactic acid.
“I have no doubt it’s a powerful performance-enhancing drug,” Conte said. “It’s a stamina benefit. You don’t get tired, you just keep rocking. You’d be like the Energizer Bunny during sparring.”
Kalan wrote:
You mean VADA and the WBC.. WADA established the ban I believe, but Povetkin tested under the limit. It was VADA and the WBC who are putting out this inflammatory message, innuendo and smear job – and misrepresenting the tests and the effects of Meldonium, a medication that has been perfectly legal for years without so much as a peep out of anyone. It can be bought over the counter in Europe where steroids and dangerous anabolics are outlawed. Obviously such a small micro trace of Meldonium in his system has zero effect on Povetkin’s performance. I can’t do anything about it except speak out on forums like this one. Povetkin, his team, and his promoter have to defend themselves vigorously and take legal action. If those guys take this laying down, Povetkin is 36 years old. He has to get charging on this because his career will be over soon.
His career should have been over 3 years ago, after the disgrace vs overthetop Klitchko. But Riabinsky's money arranged him becoming WBC mandatory. His wallet Riabinsky(Kremlin/Rosneft actually) overpaid millions to bring the championship fight to Moscow (same as vs Klitchko). So far WBC was totally on his side.
But he kicked the bucket, got caught - and suddenly WBC is the bad guys??? And Wilder is blamed for something???
Wow that's BIG news. I never knew about the Klitschko fiasco. Kalan what you got to say about this?
bigman1968 wrote:
His career should have been over 3 years ago, after the disgrace vs overthetop Klitchko. But Riabinsky's money arranged him becoming WBC mandatory. His wallet Riabinsky(Kremlin/Rosneft actually) overpaid millions to bring the championship fight to Moscow (same as vs Klitchko). So far WBC was totally on his side.
But he kicked the bucket, got caught - and suddenly WBC is the bad guys??? And Wilder is blamed for something???
Wow that's BIG news. I never knew about the Klitschko fiasco. Kalan what you got to say about this?
NO I've seen the fight. I was talking about Ribiansky fiasco that you mentioned.
Riabinsky won the purse bid with 23M offer (vs 7M or so of K2K and Sauerland).
The income was about 7M (most of it from German TV) and the difference(~15M) were paid by Rosneft, government company, to perform patriotic hoopla. If you saw the fight you figured the level of embarasement
Klitchko got 17M for one of his easiest jobs ever. I believe he was also paid not to drop Povetkin and let him go the distance
NO I've seen the fight. I was talking about Ribiansky fiasco that you mentioned.
Riabinsky won the purse bid with 23M offer (vs 7M or so of K2K and Sauerland).
The income was about 7M (most of it from German TV) and the difference(~15M) were paid by Rosneft, government company, to perform patriotic hoopla. If you saw the fight you figured the level of embarasement
Klitchko got 17M for one of his easiest jobs ever. I believe he was also paid not to drop Povetkin and let him go the distance
Interesting stuff. It's a dirty business. Thanks for this.
foxdog1923 wrote:
NO I've seen the fight. I was talking about Ribiansky fiasco that you mentioned.
Riabinsky won the purse bid with 23M offer (vs 7M or so of K2K and Sauerland).
The income was about 7M (most of it from German TV) and the difference(~15M) were paid by Rosneft, government company, to perform patriotic hoopla. If you saw the fight you figured the level of embarasement
Klitchko got 17M for one of his easiest jobs ever. I believe he was also paid not to drop Povetkin and let him go the distance
Interesting stuff. It's a dirty business. Thanks for this.
Stupid stuff... Klitschko was paid not to drop Povetkin -- but dropped him FOUR (4) TIMES????... Idiotic.
bigman1968 wrote:
Riabinsky won the purse bid with 23M offer (vs 7M or so of K2K and Sauerland).
The income was about 7M (most of it from German TV) and the difference(~15M) were paid by Rosneft, government company, to perform patriotic hoopla. If you saw the fight you figured the level of embarasement
Klitchko got 17M for one of his easiest jobs ever. I believe he was also paid not to drop Povetkin and let him go the distance
Interesting stuff. It's a dirty business. Thanks for this.
Stupid stuff... Klitschko was paid not to drop Povetkin -- but dropped him FOUR (4) TIMES????... Idiotic.
Really idiotic...Klitchko even didn't hit him half of his falls...And Povetkin just kept falling...from jabs and slaps...
If you saw that entire match, it was just continually one punch and grab as much as possible and then rest on Povetkin, so Povetkin needed to carry twice as much weight as normal to make him tired. Somehow Povetkin allways have an amazing stamina, so he didn't get stopped or anything and continued to try to attack the hugger.
It was absolutely idiotic that Klitschko didn't get disqualified actually.
Still congratz to him.
Also it's clear that Povetkin is barely any stronger after all those years right now compared to back in the days against Klitschko.
Funny to see bums like Wilder are so scared as hell for him.
asdfjkl wrote: Funny to see bums like Wilder are so scared as hell for him
If I were Povetkin I'd sue the pants off Wilder, the WBC, Victor Conte, and VADA for defamation. There's a language barrier and Russia is on the other side of the world so it may seem like a daunting problem. Would you sue somebody in Russia who fkked you???? ... Most people would think twice but I wouldn't. I would try to learn Russian and go after vested interests for as long as I could, for as hard as I could, if they did anything like that to me. You have the emotional satisfaction of fighting them and getting your side heard, even if you lose to corrupt judges or worse...
Hurricane Carter never gave up ... and the Canadians fighting for his freedom never gave up for 20 years... Povetkin deserved that Title Shot.
I believe he was also paid not to drop Povetkin and let him go the distance 