Joe Frazier vs Larry Holmes

jedijojo · Post by **jedijojo** » 15 Feb 2006, 17:59

How do you see this fight going???

I'm kinda puzzled about this one, but right now I'll say that Frazier beat Holmes in a similar way he beat Ali in their first fight.

ringsider · Post by **ringsider** » 15 Feb 2006, 20:06

I think "The Easton Assassin" beats the shit out of Frazier, probably stops him. The famed Frazier left hook would not even phase Holmes. Joe Frazier punched like a girl next to guys like Ernie Shavers or Renaldo "Call me Mr." Snipes. Holmes got off the deck to beat those guys. Frazier would be down and out. Look what Foreman did to Frazier.

BrocktonBlockbuster49 · Post by **BrocktonBlockbuster49** » 15 Feb 2006, 20:17

ringsider wrote:I think "The Easton Assassin" beats the shit out of Frazier, probably stops him. The famed Frazier left hook would not even phase Holmes. Joe Frazier punched like a girl next to guys like Ernie Shavers or Renaldo "Call me Mr." Snipes. Holmes got off the deck to beat those guys. Frazier would be down and out. Look what Foreman did to Frazier.

evndrbsn · Post by **evndrbsn** » 15 Feb 2006, 20:20

ringsider wrote:I think "The Easton Assassin" beats the shit out of Frazier, probably stops him. The famed Frazier left hook would not even phase Holmes. Joe Frazier punched like a girl next to guys like Ernie Shavers or Renaldo "Call me Mr." Snipes. Holmes got off the deck to beat those guys. Frazier would be down and out. Look what Foreman did to Frazier.

You constantly mutter the most incomprehensive analysises on boxing that I have ever seen. I'm not going to argue against Holmes beating Frazier, hell I probably even agree. But Joe punching like a girl next to Shavers or even Snipes? Getting the shit beat out of him? That is just stupid talk. Foreman took Joe out twice, this much is true. Twice when he was less than in his best fighting shape (although the result might not have been too different anyway). Holmes is no Foreman style wise, so that is a stupid comparison. Holmes would probably get dropped and narrowly avoid a stoppage before barely eeking out a decision over Frazier.

BoxBuzz · Post by **BoxBuzz** » 16 Feb 2006, 00:05

I'll tell you what if Frazier happened to catch Holmes the way Snipes caught him Holmes would not be let off the hook. I'm leanin Holmes but the fact is with those two greats, anything could happen. In a 3 way it wouldnt surprise me if each of them walked away a winner at least once.

ringsider · Post by **ringsider** » 16 Feb 2006, 03:02

You constantly mutter the most incomprehensive analysises on boxing that I have ever seen. I'm not going to argue against Holmes beating Frazier, hell I probably even agree. But Joe punching like a girl next to Shavers or even Snipes? Getting the shit beat out of him?

Yep that is what I mean and you just don't like the different opinions......Frazier's chin would fail him, I believe. Larry can obviously out box Frazier, and Joe is made to order for Larry's jab and right upper cut. Frazier would be right there to hit. Joe can only fight one way, coming foreward. Larry's chin would keep him in the fight I believe. Sure Larry would be hit a few times with that wild out of control left hook Frazier threw, but I don't see it stopping or really hurting Holmes. Larry could take a shot, and when he was down, he got up, and Larry had some of the best recooperative powers in boxing, when in his prime. That is just the way I see it,

evndrbsn · Post by **evndrbsn** » 16 Feb 2006, 13:38

ringsider wrote:
You constantly mutter the most incomprehensive analysises on boxing that I have ever seen. I'm not going to argue against Holmes beating Frazier, hell I probably even agree. But Joe punching like a girl next to Shavers or even Snipes? Getting the shit beat out of him?
Yep that is what I mean and you just don't like the different opinions......Frazier's chin would fail him, I believe. Larry can obviously out box Frazier, and Joe is made to order for Larry's jab and right upper cut. Frazier would be right there to hit. Joe can only fight one way, coming foreward. Larry's chin would keep him in the fight I believe. Sure Larry would be hit a few times with that wild out of control left hook Frazier threw, but I don't see it stopping or really hurting Holmes. Larry could take a shot, and when he was down, he got up, and Larry had some of the best recooperative powers in boxing, when in his prime. That is just the way I see it,

Holmes was no Ali in the technique department, although he was quite skilled in his own right. Seems like Frazier is capable of getting past the jab and dig hooks to the head and body quite well.

And no, I don't have a problem with differing opinions, just the manner that people like you voice them. You disrespect great fighters of the past with baseless "opinions" that really just make you sound like an idiot.

ringsider · Post by **ringsider** » 16 Feb 2006, 15:07

And no, I don't have a problem with differing opinions, just the manner that people like you voice them. You disrespect great fighters of the past with baseless "opinions" that really just make you sound like an idiot.

Yes you do oppose others opinions, but I was already aware of that. Your above quote shows you to talk out of both sides of your sh*t filled mouth. Opinions are not baseless, they are based on what we preceive and how we think. That is the BASE from which we form our opinions dumbass. Just like my opinon and YOUR opinion. Your opinion is disregarded by me and others, because of the stupidity of your reasoning, which you have put in print and shows its flaws. We all have opinions, some are just more valued than others. Your opinion is use to being flushed away.

jedijojo · Post by **jedijojo** » 16 Feb 2006, 17:37

ringsider wrote:
And no, I don't have a problem with differing opinions, just the manner that people like you voice them. You disrespect great fighters of the past with baseless "opinions" that really just make you sound like an idiot.
Yes you do oppose others opinions, but I was already aware of that. Your above quote shows you to talk out of both sides of your sh*t filled mouth. Opinions are not baseless, they are based on what we preceive and how we think. That is the BASE from which we form our opinions dumbass. Just like my opinon and YOUR opinion. Your opinion is disregarded by me and others, because of the stupidity of your reasoning, which you have put in print and shows its flaws. We all have opinions, some are just more valued than others. Your opinion is used to being flushed away.

I think you are underating Frazier's chin, punching power, speed and skill........

Ambling Alp · Post by **Ambling Alp** » 16 Feb 2006, 18:40

This would have interesting. Both were great with very different styles.
Most likely that it would go the distance. If Frazier caught Holmes just right with his left hook, he could drop him. Frazier was a much better finisher than Shavers and Snipes who hurt Holmes; if he did Holmes in major trouble, he would probably stop him.
There is a remote chance that Holmes could stop Frazier by an accumilation of blows, but it's very unlikely.
It would probably go down to how effective Holmes' jab would be in keeping Frazier off of him. Frazier was the ultimate pressure fighter. He just kep coming and coming. Frazier also had good head movement which made him harder to hit than most pressure type fighters.
I think Frazier would get through often enough to win a close decision. It would almost surely be an action packed fight and a back and forth battle.

dr_devious · Post by **dr_devious** » 17 Feb 2006, 11:37

Larry Holmes to win a close points decision, IMO

evndrbsn · Post by **evndrbsn** » 17 Feb 2006, 13:06

ringsider wrote:
And no, I don't have a problem with differing opinions, just the manner that people like you voice them. You disrespect great fighters of the past with baseless "opinions" that really just make you sound like an idiot.
Yes you do oppose others opinions, but I was already aware of that. Your above quote shows you to talk out of both sides of your sh*t filled mouth. Opinions are not baseless, they are based on what we preceive and how we think. That is the BASE from which we form our opinions dumbass. Just like my opinon and YOUR opinion. Your opinion is disregarded by me and others, because of the stupidity of your reasoning, which you have put in print and shows its flaws. We all have opinions, some are just more valued than others. Your opinion is use to being flushed away.

Uh huh, riiiight. Keep it up. You sound like a 10 year old and its very amusing.