insane..........Lefthookhappy19 wrote:You guys will like this vid. Greek Olympic lifter Pyrros Dimas in 1993 manhandling incredible weights in training at only 180lbs...
http://media.putfile.com/Ironmind_1993_Dimas
113kg not exceptional at 16!Arsenal wrote:As a registered strength and conditioning coach I have read this post with some interest. I can't believe the misconceptions about weight training. You can lift weights, get stronger and more powerful without getting bigger. Its all to do with hormone release and how many sets/reps you do. Size has nothing to do with how strong powerful someone is its all to do with muscle fibres and genetics. Just like size is no indication of punch power. Relatively speaking the smaller guys hit harder then bigger guys. Thats why we do pound for pound lists. For example who hits harder Lennox Lewis or Valuev? Or why is it that two guys in the same weight class have different KO %? Some people hit harder and some lift more in the gym. Look at Jonathan Edwards the triple jumper. He could lift huge weights in the gym but look how slim he was. Or look at the weightlifters who lift twice their own bodyweight. The bigger weightlifters lift more but not twice their bodyweight. In most sports you need to big strong and powerful but not necessarily bigger. Remember you have to carry that weight around and that can cause problems. Boxing is a prime example where you need to start within a certain weight limit. I currently train a boxer who has increased how much he can lift by about 20%. He has got much stronger and more powerful but has only increased his weight by about 1kg. If lifting weight was relative to body size he would have put on between 20-30kg!
As for Tyson lifting 113kg at 16. Seeing he was 95kg thats very believable, actually its not that much. When you bench a good marker is that you can lift your own bodyweight. I'm 76kg and I can bench 102kg but I'm not an elite athlete and I have a very slim build. If you look at the website below you can see what people of different ages lift. The record for someone u18, weighing 90kg is 167kg! So I don't understand why people are making such a big deal about what Tyson could lift. Honestly its not some unbelievable amount, its good but not exceptional.
http://www.britishpowerlifting.org.uk/
I knew an ex European powerlifting champion. He was 95kg and his record was 225Kg. I think people need to do a bit more research before they make sweeping statements about what people can or can't do. Weight training is a complicated thing and not just about pushing weights. tTre is a science behind it.
Dude that would be unbelievable at that age.Love watching Olympic weight lifters like but why do they have have to put on so much weight then to lift that much if you think you can still be slim?KO I tell you mate if you do it then you realise how powerful and fast olympic weighlifters are contrary to what people think.They are not slow! I find the snatch extremely difficult as well. KO Something to take comfort from. I've seen World class sports people who have been competing for years and they still can't get the technique of clean and snatch right. Thats why its a sport in its own right. Its as much about technique as it is about power and strength.
I do lift weights, can bench press about 130kg (290lbs) when i am on my A game...but my bodyweight is about 105 so its not overly impressive.
He is talking 105Kg so he weighs about 230lbsI do lift weights, can bench press about 130kg (290lbs) when i am on my A game...but my bodyweight is about 105 so its not overly impressive.
Aye I'm sure Haye uses weight training as major part of his boxing regime.I know we are talking boxing not other sports and boxing is notorius for not accepting weight training as a major part of a boxers regime. But nevertheless boxers can still lift heavy weights they don't have to be a wightlifter to do it.
Didn't Johnson not get busted for steroid use before or after the 92 games?jamesmcdonnell wrote:No but I'd love to see that. Aside from Ed Moses, I cannot think of another track athlete in history who was as dominant as Johnson, when you consider that he ran 200 and 400 and was equally dominant in both it's even more incredibly.Arsenal wrote:EXACTLY!
I'll dig out some other facts and figures and you can see how incredible some of the things people do in training are. Anyone seen Michael Johnson's training program? Now that is something to be scared of!
His leg turnover speed was freakish, and he had a choppy running style reminiscent of Jesse Owens.
I once read somewhere that with modern running spikes on a rubberised track, they reckon Jesse Owens would have been under 9.9 seconds.
Those old cinder tracks really were shit.
No Michael Johnson has never had any kind of drugs bust against him of any form...ebeneezer wrote:Didn't Johnson not get busted for steroid use before or after the 92 games?jamesmcdonnell wrote:No but I'd love to see that. Aside from Ed Moses, I cannot think of another track athlete in history who was as dominant as Johnson, when you consider that he ran 200 and 400 and was equally dominant in both it's even more incredibly.Arsenal wrote:EXACTLY!
I'll dig out some other facts and figures and you can see how incredible some of the things people do in training are. Anyone seen Michael Johnson's training program? Now that is something to be scared of!
His leg turnover speed was freakish, and he had a choppy running style reminiscent of Jesse Owens.
I once read somewhere that with modern running spikes on a rubberised track, they reckon Jesse Owens would have been under 9.9 seconds.
Those old cinder tracks really were shit.
I may be wrong but I heard a rumor to that effect.
Having a certifcate to say your qualified doesn't mean you can say all of it's rubbish.Arsenal wrote:Max you are still talking crap. I can see what you are saying but its all rubbish. I'm not being arrogant but I am qualified to make statements but you are making statements with no backing. Weights stunt your growth? Where did you get that from? I know numerous people who are 6"ft plus and started lifting heavy weights around 14/15. Thats another myth that people believe. You really need to do some reading mate. All I'm saying is that you do not train or train people for a living like I do. If you did then you would have more of an understanding. As for elite athletes. Its more complicated then you think. For example a bobsleigher in this country may not get funded, has to work full time, train when they can and do not get alot of press. They go to the Olympics and come 10th are they not elite athletes?
I know we are talking boxing not other sports and boxing is notorius for not accepting weight training as a major part of a boxers regime. But nevertheless boxers can still lift heavy weights they don't have to be a wightlifter to do it.
Starting them at 14/15 doesn't stunt your growth I wasn't saying that I was saying if you do them too young it can but not all the time. So who needs to read up now?Bullsmeg, you say I ain't reading but you don't seem to read what I say.Arsenal wrote:Max I'm not qualified to say what people say is rubbish...apart from you!
You make statements and then when you are caught out you back track and say something else. I tell ya mate the hole's already deep enough.....
