The world will never be right ...

[SaadOffTheDeck]

The sport isn't for everyone, but the fact that it's a better product is irrefutable.

No it isn't.

There's nothing exciting or spectacular in watching wrestlers like Georges St Pierre, Randy Couture, etc do their ground and pound.

The most popular martial artists are those standing and trading like Fedor, Dos Santos, Anderson Silva, etc...doing actually what boxers do.

It takes tens of years to make a great boxer, but only a few ones to make a martial arts fighter.

It doesn't have to excite you. The top fighters constantly fight each other. Unlike Boxing. Not even remotely comparable.

Edit: And not to question your vast knowledge of MMA, but Dos Santos is the only relevant fighter you mentioned at the moment. Again, you don't have to watch or like it, the product is infinitely better from a match up standpoint. 200 is greater than any Boxing card in history, much less the cowdung they shovel in our faces now.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

I won't begrudge fighters for getting theirs but it doesn't make me weep. It makes me DVR Boxing when UFC is on, because their free cards or preliminaries for PPV events decimate any sort of Boxing card. The sport isn't for everyone, but the fact that it's a better product is irrefutable.

I prefer striking over Hugging and Laying. Too much Hugging and Laying in MMA for my taste.

You don't watch it, and that's fine. The hugging and laying statement is a Kalan like statement. There are wars on every card. Don't be a Kalan, you're too good for that.

[gilgamesh]

I won't begrudge fighters for getting theirs but it doesn't make me weep. It makes me DVR Boxing when UFC is on, because their free cards or preliminaries for PPV events decimate any sort of Boxing card. The sport isn't for everyone, but the fact that it's a better product is irrefutable.

I prefer striking over Hugging and Laying. Too much Hugging and Laying in MMA for my taste.

You don't watch it, and that's fine. The hugging and laying statement is a Kalan like statement. There are wars on every card. Don't be a Kalan, you're too good for that.

I watch it here and there. I have a bunch of Pride FC on DVD...MMA just never was all that special to me after Pride ceased to exist. A great deal of the time when I tune into MMA Hugging and Laying is exactly what's happening, and I change the channel, but you're right that the best fight the best in MMA and that's a plus.

There's definitely good fights in that sport, and there are MMA fighters I like and will still watch. Most of them are all past their best though. I just can't get into the UFC these days though. I prefer Boxing and Kickboxing over MMA. I wish KickBoxing would get more coverage here in the U.S.

[Counter-puncher]

I won't begrudge fighters for getting theirs but it doesn't make me weep. It makes me DVR Boxing when UFC is on, because their free cards or preliminaries for PPV events decimate any sort of Boxing card. The sport isn't for everyone, but the fact that it's a better product is irrefutable.

I prefer striking over Hugging and Laying. Too much Hugging and Laying in MMA for my taste.

You don't watch it, and that's fine. The hugging and laying statement is a Kalan like statement. There are wars on every card. Don't be a Kalan, you're too good for that.

For me the worst part of mma isn't grappling, its when two dudes who are basically wrestlers cancel each other out and stay standing, and its basically 15 minutes of bad kickboxing with small gloves. Next to that some grappling with a few transitions is scintillating

[Counter-puncher]

I prefer striking over Hugging and Laying. Too much Hugging and Laying in MMA for my taste.

You don't watch it, and that's fine. The hugging and laying statement is a Kalan like statement. There are wars on every card. Don't be a Kalan, you're too good for that.

I watch it here and there. I have a bunch of Pride FC on DVD...MMA just never was all that special to me after Pride ceased to exist. A great deal of the time when I tune into MMA Hugging and Laying is exactly what's happening, and I change the channel, but you're right that the best fight the best in MMA and that's a plus.

There's definitely good fights in that sport, and there are MMA fighters I like and will still watch. Most of them are all past their best though. I just can't get into the UFC these days though. I prefer Boxing and Kickboxing over MMA. I wish KickBoxing would get more coverage here in the U.S.

The gym I train at is basically kickboxing, I'm starting to come around to it. I need more combat sports, cos boxing isn't providing for me

[gilgamesh]

You don't watch it, and that's fine. The hugging and laying statement is a Kalan like statement. There are wars on every card. Don't be a Kalan, you're too good for that.

I watch it here and there. I have a bunch of Pride FC on DVD...MMA just never was all that special to me after Pride ceased to exist. A great deal of the time when I tune into MMA Hugging and Laying is exactly what's happening, and I change the channel, but you're right that the best fight the best in MMA and that's a plus.

There's definitely good fights in that sport, and there are MMA fighters I like and will still watch. Most of them are all past their best though. I just can't get into the UFC these days though. I prefer Boxing and Kickboxing over MMA. I wish KickBoxing would get more coverage here in the U.S.

The gym I train at is basically kickboxing, I'm starting to come around to it. I need more combat sports, cos boxing isn't providing for me

Yeah I miss the Glory cards they were showing on Spike. They show them on ESPN sometimes now, but it's on a 2 day delay or whatever. The Live Events are a lot of fun, and the fights are rarely boring. I wish Kickboxing in general was bigger here in the U.S. because it's a pretty damn exciting sport. Less time in the bouts so guys don't have time to feel each other much, they have to get after it right from the opening bell because you can't afford to lose any rounds in a 3 or 5 round fight.

[allInmoderationAIM]

The sport isn't for everyone, but the fact that it's a better product is irrefutable.

No it isn't.

There's nothing exciting or spectacular in watching wrestlers like Georges St Pierre, Randy Couture, etc do their ground and pound.

The most popular martial artists are those standing and trading like Fedor, Dos Santos, Anderson Silva, etc...doing actually what boxers do.

It takes tens of years to make a great boxer, but only a few ones to make a martial arts fighter.

It doesn't have to excite you. The top fighters constantly fight each other. Unlike Boxing. Not even remotely comparable.

Edit: And not to question your vast knowledge of MMA, but Dos Santos is the only relevant fighter you mentioned at the moment. Again, you don't have to watch or like it, the product is infinitely better from a match up standpoint. 200 is greater than any Boxing card in history, much less the cowdung they shovel in our faces now.

Oh you just speaking for yourself. Their are a lot of people turned stone cold by punching people while they are on their back.
Their is some junk interesting about MMA but, what you say about product and stuff that's only YOU SELLING! I don't buy it.
Good luck though!

[allInmoderationAIM]

Is there a pre-destined gene for slurred speech ?

EVERY boxing champion (or at least 80%) above 50 is slurring his words, to a varying degree.

Wow! You sound like Doctors Against Boxing. (Your high high high-high-high % I simply don't at-all believe as fact!)

I'm a realist.

There's an overwhelming fan base who sees boxing as a kind of super hero action cartoon, where physical punishment is inflicted without any consequences on long term health; i'm just in utter disbelief with this attitude.

Brendan Ingle rightly used to say to his fighters that pro boxing simply equals legalized assault, and put major emphasis in defense.

Boxing is the most dramatic entertainment in the world, but it comes at a price for health, and too many people want to keep their heads buried in the sand about that.

Ali brought flamboyance to a sport many saw as morally dubious, but it made it even more brutal and unforgiving, as fighters climbed into the ring often full of spite, "ready to die" and intending to prove a point about race, religion, politics and what not, instead of seeing who was the best at a sport.
(actually, this whole attitude of "ready to die" in boxing started with him)

He was certainly a courageous man; but an even bigger fool, never really understanding or controlling what he was getting into.

Look how he finished his life.

Mr. Crow...you was talking about Muhammad Ali there??? You mean he was physically harmed?
Boxing is > bad serious < YES!
Life is struggle too. At least it is for ME!
I'm ex boxer and how I invested it wasn't minor but it also wasn't too much.
Boxing can certainly ruin a person. No doubt. I have seen (witness) one ring death. And, really it has been all around me.
What are you trying to do with the Sport on a whole?
Guess you are not a promoter, hey!
So..what are you in life, work and things.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

I prefer striking over Hugging and Laying. Too much Hugging and Laying in MMA for my taste.

You don't watch it, and that's fine. The hugging and laying statement is a Kalan like statement. There are wars on every card. Don't be a Kalan, you're too good for that.

I watch it here and there. I have a bunch of Pride FC on DVD...MMA just never was all that special to me after Pride ceased to exist. A great deal of the time when I tune into MMA Hugging and Laying is exactly what's happening, and I change the channel, but you're right that the best fight the best in MMA and that's a plus.

There's definitely good fights in that sport, and there are MMA fighters I like and will still watch. Most of them are all past their best though. I just can't get into the UFC these days though. I prefer Boxing and Kickboxing over MMA. I wish KickBoxing would get more coverage here in the U.S.

There you go. I hate kickboxing. Too each their own. That hockey player Bosse had a vicious stand up war last weekend. Obviously their hands aren't at the same level of top Boxers but I was more entertained than I've been with a Boxing fight in years.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

No it isn't.

There's nothing exciting or spectacular in watching wrestlers like Georges St Pierre, Randy Couture, etc do their ground and pound.

The most popular martial artists are those standing and trading like Fedor, Dos Santos, Anderson Silva, etc...doing actually what boxers do.

It takes tens of years to make a great boxer, but only a few ones to make a martial arts fighter.

It doesn't have to excite you. The top fighters constantly fight each other. Unlike Boxing. Not even remotely comparable.

Edit: And not to question your vast knowledge of MMA, but Dos Santos is the only relevant fighter you mentioned at the moment. Again, you don't have to watch or like it, the product is infinitely better from a match up standpoint. 200 is greater than any Boxing card in history, much less the cowdung they shovel in our faces now.

Oh you just speaking for yourself. Their are a lot of people turned stone cold by punching people while they are on their back.
Their is some junk interesting about MMA but, what you say about product and stuff that's only YOU SELLING! I don't buy it.
Good luck though!

No, it's a fact. Nothing to sell.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

I prefer striking over Hugging and Laying. Too much Hugging and Laying in MMA for my taste.

You don't watch it, and that's fine. The hugging and laying statement is a Kalan like statement. There are wars on every card. Don't be a Kalan, you're too good for that.

For me the worst part of mma isn't grappling, its when two dudes who are basically wrestlers cancel each other out and stay standing, and its basically 15 minutes of bad kickboxing with small gloves. Next to that some grappling with a few transitions is scintillating

[allInmoderationAIM]

No, it's a fact. Nothing to sell.[/quote]
It's a fact in YOUR LIFE, YES! But, since I don't have any of your stuff memorized for me and I have my mind on the rich history of heavyweight div since days of Robby Fitz. you can understand, can't you, how your world is your world only. Just because you like, that doesn't mean such gonna be projected into another man's life. Got it? : )

[SaadOffTheDeck]

It's a fact in the world sugar plum. I doubt you know half as much as you think you do. Certainly not more than me. As for projecting into your life, I couldn't care less about your life. You quoted me. If you want to learn something, ask. If you don't, buck up little trooper and go get your dinner from Ma. Got it?

[littlepug]

Boxing is exactly where its supposed to be, since its start its been constantly evolving, its had to change things to fit in with its time and along the way skills improved, promotions got bigger, became media savvy, training methods were changed and eventually TV was a factor, the modern game was always gonna end up this way, but bloody hell we are still here after all this time with a rich history behind us and hopefully more to come, the UFC thing is not a threat it can't produce the same kind of story that a boxing fight can and its far more interesting IMO to see two guys fighting with fewer tools at their disposal thus bringing courage and mental strength into proceedings

[nfc90210]

The sport isn't for everyone, but the fact that it's a better product is irrefutable.

No it isn't.

There's nothing exciting or spectacular in watching wrestlers like Georges St Pierre, Randy Couture, etc do their ground and pound.

The most popular martial artists are those standing and trading like Fedor, Dos Santos, Anderson Silva, etc...doing actually what boxers do.

It takes tens of years to make a great boxer, but only a few ones to make a martial arts fighter.

GSP was the UFC's biggest draw for years. It took a long time for Silva to actually break through as a significant level draw.

As for Pride, Sakuraba was the one who actually built the promotion. Fedor was a great fighter and the longtime heavyweight champion but he was never the draw that Sakuraba was. Plus, Fedor was a combat sambo world champion and high level judoka who won more fights by submission than he did by KO/TKO.

[allInmoderationAIM]

"

It's a fact in the world sugar plum. I doubt you know half as much as you think you do. Certainly not more than me. As for projecting into your life, I couldn't care less about your life. You quoted me. If you want to learn something, ask. If you don't, buck up little trooper and go get your dinner from Ma. Got it?

"
No. I don't got it! Got it you sound like a grizzly hood and gotta be damn mad egomaniac with your demands and taunts. You know more than me....HA HA HA! About mma? Yes, bet you do. About boxing? Well....probably not.
"Snap" and YOU have the answer don't you.
Keep petting yourself guy.

[allInmoderationAIM]

I couldn't care much less about YOU, too. But, that's only for the manner you come off. I'm kind of person I try and make friends when it's possible. Lineing up to compete is one thing. Of course you have seperation. But, this is only a talk forum.
You'd do well to tinker with you- self on the insides try and get bit tighter grip. Other than that, to YOU.. "go fornicate yourself."

[SaadOffTheDeck]

You care, cupcake. I likely knew more about boxing than you when I was 8. Not that it matters, my original point you disputed is factual.

[Tomasino]

You don't watch it, and that's fine. The hugging and laying statement is a Kalan like statement. There are wars on every card. Don't be a Kalan, you're too good for that.

I watch it here and there. I have a bunch of Pride FC on DVD...MMA just never was all that special to me after Pride ceased to exist. A great deal of the time when I tune into MMA Hugging and Laying is exactly what's happening, and I change the channel, but you're right that the best fight the best in MMA and that's a plus.

There's definitely good fights in that sport, and there are MMA fighters I like and will still watch. Most of them are all past their best though. I just can't get into the UFC these days though. I prefer Boxing and Kickboxing over MMA. I wish KickBoxing would get more coverage here in the U.S.

There you go. I hate kickboxing. Too each their own. That hockey player Bosse had a vicious stand up war last weekend. Obviously their hands aren't at the same level of top Boxers but I was more entertained than I've been with a Boxing fight in years.

I thought OC nicked that one. It was a brawl.

[jamesmcdonnell]

Silly statement. Both sports go back at least as far as the days of ancient Greece, as does wrestling.

Who was the MMA champ in 1950 or 1910? Name the MMA champs in the 1890s. As disorganized as boxing has been over the centuries, you used to be able to trace championships down through the ages. You can't say the same for MMA or whatever it's called.

Unfortunately, that hasn't been the case with boxing for more than 20 years now. The sport is an embarrassment today. Without a real star to promote it, the mass media chose a long time ago to ignore it whenever possible. Society is evolving towards the gentrification of contact sport. Even baseball is frowning on accidental contact. That's part of the reason why sport will, one day soon, be strictly virtual reality. Then individuals will be allowed to have anything happen no matter how violent. Probably encouraged as long as you're strapped into your VR chair at home drugged into semi-consciousness.

Don't tell me James Figg wasn't a mixed martial artist...read the accounts of the fights before Queensberry and Broughtons Rules. Those guys knew their holds, kicks and throws.

Precisely. Boxing effectively emerged from MMA.

[Sequitorian]

MMA is a degenerate sport ... a giant leap backwards for civilization ... http://www.boxingarts.com/

[jujigatame]

MMA is a degenerate sport ... a giant leap backwards for civilization ... http://www.boxingarts.com/

Oh please. Save the drama fo' yo momma.

[Sequitorian]

Who was the MMA champ in 1950 or 1910? Name the MMA champs in the 1890s. As disorganized as boxing has been over the centuries, you used to be able to trace championships down through the ages. You can't say the same for MMA or whatever it's called.

Unfortunately, that hasn't been the case with boxing for more than 20 years now. The sport is an embarrassment today. Without a real star to promote it, the mass media chose a long time ago to ignore it whenever possible. Society is evolving towards the gentrification of contact sport. Even baseball is frowning on accidental contact. That's part of the reason why sport will, one day soon, be strictly virtual reality. Then individuals will be allowed to have anything happen no matter how violent. Probably encouraged as long as you're strapped into your VR chair at home drugged into semi-consciousness.

Don't tell me James Figg wasn't a mixed martial artist...read the accounts of the fights before Queensberry and Broughtons Rules. Those guys knew their holds, kicks and throws.

Precisely. Boxing effectively emerged from MMA.

Actually, as the world became more civilized, the differences and distinctions between boxing and wrestling became apparent, along with the need for rules-of-engagement. Thus did boxing emerge as the most civilized form of combat and the single greatest accomplishment of the Western Enlightenment. See http://www.boxingarts.com/.

[SFW]

MMA is a degenerate sport ... a giant leap backwards for civilization ... http://www.boxingarts.com/

Oh please. Save the drama fo' yo momma.

Hahaha that was mantastic

[jujigatame]

I think I understand Sequitorian's worldview. Boxing is the greatest innovation in the history of mankind, far surpassing antibiotics and the printing press. MMA is a scourge worse than cancer. Pretty simple stuff.