When people convert to boxing

[davie]

http://boxrec.com/boxer/629803

Just saying!


https://youtu.be/yeGn91Ma-_A

[davie]

http://boxrec.com/boxer/368372

http://boxrec.com/boxer/651964

these guys did a good job, considering they converted to the sport

But Winning world titles? Beating all time greats?

Well maybe if they were 7'1" I suppose they could have

[Kalan]

First off... there's a ton of horrible coaches in Boxing. Flintoff had a really terrible coach.

A good coach works on the stance, hand placement, balance, and footwork first. With the teaching techniques of an elite coach, a great athlete starts to get his stance down and his footwork looking good in a week or two. He'll definitely be able to move with fluidity and grace, while keeping his head back and his stance professional looking if he's already a well conditioned, well coordinated athlete to start with, did very well in other sports, and has somebody really good is teaching him. He'll start to move like someone other than a rank amateur. Without a stance and good footwork your punches stink. The first punch you teach is the jab. You work the mitts with him... get him to coordinate jabs with his footwork... and get some smoothness and pop going. You just keep correcting his head, his shoulders, his torso, his feet, and you start working in straight rights, hooks, uppercuts, 45's, and body shots. After a month to 6 weeks, if he's talented, he's getting all the punches and feints down. You start teaching him defense and countering so in 8 to 10 weeks he can start sparring. He already knows what he's doing by then, but it will take him a few more weeks to apply it well so he can actually fight and beat somebody.

If a kid moves and throws right hands like Flintoff you don't even let him spar. But that's what you get with poor coaching. You see coaches take a fresh kid, spend 2 minutes on the stance, and then have him hitting the mitts or the heavy bag right away. 6 months later the kid makes his debut and looks like a clown. It's like watching a high school basketball team that can't run the floor, dribble, pass, or shoot. They're 0-10 and getting destroyed by a school with half as many kids. It might have something to do with the caliber of their coaching.

[Controversial]

First off... there's a ton of horrible coaches in Boxing. Flintoff had a really terrible coach.

He was coached by Shane McGuigan

[foxdog1923]

I dont think any coach can coach Flintoff, hes just not a boxer.

Jessie Ryder has had a few charity fights. Ryder vs Flintoff perhaps..

[davie]

First off... there's a ton of horrible coaches in Boxing. Flintoff had a really terrible coach.

He was coached by Shane McGuigan

Boom!

The best coach in the world cannot replicate or compensate for the years of learning in a gym, sparring, amateur bouts, practice, boxing specific strength and conditioning training, experience of hitting/being hit, and the timing and reflexes that come from that.
Essentially knowing the game, from time spent inside it.

[Controversial]

First off... there's a ton of horrible coaches in Boxing. Flintoff had a really terrible coach.

He was coached by Shane McGuigan

Boom!

The best coach in the world cannot replicate or compensate for the years of learning in a gym, sparring, amateur bouts, practice, boxing specific strength and conditioning training, experience of hitting/being hit, and the timing and reflexes that come from that.
Essentially knowing the game, from time spent inside it.

Even then only a tiny percentage of fighters end up being world class. You can only teach so much in the gym and even if someone masters the basics envariably they can't replicate it in a real fight. That's why there are gym fighters, guys like Elijah Tillery who would box rings around the best heavies in sparring yet couldn't do the same in a real fight.