Olympics-Pro boxers who compete in Rio will lose titles-IBF

[gregor]

Well, not much sense in my opinion if you just take a minute to think about it.
The first point is that you have have 3 rounds instead of (usual) 10. Equally important is the referee who will count you down or even stop the fight any time he has the slightest excuse to do so... usually before you are really hurt.

[man]

Well, not much sense in my opinion if you just take a minute to think about it.
The first point is that you have have 3 rounds instead of (usual) 10. Equally important is the referee who will count you down or even stop the fight any time he has the slightest excuse to do so... usually before you are really hurt.

there is a reason why great amateurs spend
several years at the pros, before they can take
on the best, despite having dominated the best
amateurs. the game is different and tougher in
many respects beyond the obviously longer
distances and the lack of gear.

i understand why a 21 year amateur from
southamerica should not be in a ring for three
rounds with wladimir klitschko. speaking of
which - who knows better than wlad how a perfect
amateur record doesn't mean too much at the big
boys' table.

[Like a Boss]

Well, not much sense in my opinion if you just take a minute to think about it.
The first point is that you have have 3 rounds instead of (usual) 10. Equally important is the referee who will count you down or even stop the fight any time he has the slightest excuse to do so... usually before you are really hurt.

there is a reason why great amateurs spend
several years at the pros, before they can take
on the best, despite having dominated the best
amateurs. the game is different and tougher in
many respects beyond the obviously longer
distances and the lack of gear.

i understand why a 21 year amateur from
southamerica should not be in a ring for three
rounds with wladimir klitschko. speaking of
which - who knows better than wlad how a perfect
amateur record doesn't mean too much at the big
boys' table.

[Boxing Prospect]

Well, not much sense in my opinion if you just take a minute to think about it.
The first point is that you have have 3 rounds instead of (usual) 10. Equally important is the referee who will count you down or even stop the fight any time he has the slightest excuse to do so... usually before you are really hurt.

there is a reason why great amateurs spend
several years at the pros, before they can take
on the best, despite having dominated the best
amateurs. the game is different and tougher in
many respects beyond the obviously longer
distances and the lack of gear.

i understand why a 21 year amateur from
southamerica should not be in a ring for three
rounds with wladimir klitschko. speaking of
which - who knows better than wlad how a perfect
amateur record doesn't mean too much at the big
boys' table.

Those great amateurs spend years when they turn professional facing nobodies and climbing the ranks....just look at that Ukrainian chap...then again look at Naoya Inoue who raced to multi weight titles without being a Olympic level amateur (year he was a great amateur but missed out on the Olympics), or his compatriot Kazuto Ioka.

Using Wlad as an example is actually perfect, he'd make a bloody awful fighter in today's amateur world with his slow style, hit and hug approach. I suspect any top amateur would love to their hands on him. Someone like Joyce, Hrgovic or Nistor would likely love to face the current Wlad in the amateur code.

[crusader]

So far pro's who have competed in the qualifying have been-
Geard Ajetovic (LOST to Raul Sanchez)
Norbert Nemesapati (LOST to Mateusz Tryc)
Petar Maukovic (LOST to Juan Carillo) - This one is interesting as Maukovic was 14-0 (13) in the pro ranks and was stopped inside a round!
Dilbag Singh (LOST to Petru Ciobanu)
Spas Genov (LOST to Jonathan Esquivel)
Evan Nedd (LOST to Ahmed Hefny)
Hermogenes Elizabeth Castillo (LOST to Hamza Touba)
Massimiliano Ballisai (LOST Vs Thulasi Tharumalingam)
Carlos Manuel Portillo (LOST Vs Volodymyr Matviychuk)
Israel Duffus (LOST vs Marko Calic)

Amnat Ruenroeng (WON Vs Arthur Bril)
Carmine Tommasone (WON Vs Oleg Dovgun)
Neeraj Goyat (WON Vs Pulikos Tsagrakos)

Just think about that for a moment...and also realise Maukovic is the ONLY fighter to have been stopped so far in the qualifying competition

Pretty mediocre list of pros there.

[Lackeos]

My preference is for the Olympics to be a breeding ground for the best young, amateur talent; without being open to be taken advantage of by sandbaggers who don't belong in the amateurs. If it were my choice, I would impose the following restrictions on Olympic entry:
-No one above age 23 will be allowed entry if their first amateur bout was > 3 years ago.
-No one above age 24 will be allowed period.
-No one will be allowed to compete in more than one Olympic boxing event.
-No professionals will be allowed to compete, including WSB / APB participants.

[Boxing Prospect]

Newfel Ouatah out now too

[Oiky]

Good rule pros shouldn't be there in the first place

[PredatorHayds]

Can't blame the pros for taking the opportunity though.
Especially for the lesser nations a Olympic medal increases profile, money and could make them a superstar in their homeland.
With Ruenroengs life story it would be a huge achievement for him to call himself a Olympian and world champion (he's just going to do it in a different order than most).
AIBA are solely responsible for the current farce.

[jamesmcdonnell]

I agree with this stance. No current professional (or former in my opinion) world champion should be allowed to compete in the Olympics.
Once you've progressed to that level as a pro, there should be no going back. I'd set the bar even lower than that.

[scallum2015]

Ndam the middleweight Title Challenger won vs a kid from. California yesterday

[crusader]

At 178 pounds too

Interesting what some of these guys are weighing when they have to make weight multiple times within a few days.

[gregor]

Well, not much sense in my opinion if you just take a minute to think about it.
The first point is that you have have 3 rounds instead of (usual) 10. Equally important is the referee who will count you down or even stop the fight any time he has the slightest excuse to do so... usually before you are really hurt.

there is a reason why great amateurs spend
several years at the pros, before they can take
on the best, despite having dominated the best
amateurs. the game is different and tougher in
many respects beyond the obviously longer
distances and the lack of gear.

Yes, I agree there is a reason, but apparently you are talking about different situation. Again, it is not about amateurs switching pro and fighting the best pro champions according to pro boxing rules as you seem to suggest, it is about professionals going to amateur boxing. And those are not the best professionals - as you see, no top pro got interested, and those listed by Boxing Prospect already lost 10 out of 13 fights just in qualifications.

[man]

Well, not much sense in my opinion if you just take a minute to think about it.
The first point is that you have have 3 rounds instead of (usual) 10. Equally important is the referee who will count you down or even stop the fight any time he has the slightest excuse to do so... usually before you are really hurt.

there is a reason why great amateurs spend
several years at the pros, before they can take
on the best, despite having dominated the best
amateurs. the game is different and tougher in
many respects beyond the obviously longer
distances and the lack of gear.

Yes, I agree there is a reason, but apparently you are talking about different situation. Again, it is not about amateurs switching pro and fighting the best pro champions according to pro boxing rules as you seem to suggest, it is about professionals going to amateur boxing. And those are not the best professionals - as you see, no top pro got interested, and those listed by Boxing Prospect already lost 10 out of 13 fights just in qualifications.

it provides a precedence and i believe
a dangerous one. what would keep a
seasoned pro from entering?

i think in combat sports pros should
not meet amateurs.

[Horse]

Why are so many people whining about pros fighting at the Olympics?

Amateur boxing is crap.

[man]

Why are so many people whining about pros fighting at the Olympics?

Amateur boxing is crap.

pretty stupid statement given that
almost all pros start as ... amateurs.

[Horse]

pretty stupid statement given that
almost all pros start as ... amateurs.

Yeah, start as amateurs and then move on.

[boxing_rocks]

pretty stupid statement given that
almost all pros start as ... amateurs.

Yeah, start as amateurs and then move on.

Allowing professionals is intended to raise level of Olympic boxing like it did in other sports. Amateur boxing is not supposed to just include 18-20-year olds. As the other sports, it should include top athletes. If you can't compete with professionals for 3-4 rounds with amateur rules and gloves, then you have no business going to Olympics which is supposed to be for the very best.

[Horse]

Allowing professionals is intended to raise level of Olympic boxing like it did in other sports. Amateur boxing is not supposed to just include 18-20-year olds. As the other sports, it should include top athletes. If you can't compete with professionals for 3-4 rounds with amateur rules and gloves, then you have no business going to Olympics which is supposed to be for the very best.

I agree.

[jamesmcdonnell]

Allowing professionals is intended to raise level of Olympic boxing like it did in other sports. Amateur boxing is not supposed to just include 18-20-year olds. As the other sports, it should include top athletes. If you can't compete with professionals for 3-4 rounds with amateur rules and gloves, then you have no business going to Olympics which is supposed to be for the very best.

I agree.

Whilst I agree with it in principle, there's likely to be some serious problems with the crossover.

[man]

If you can't compete with professionals for 3-4 rounds with amateur rules and gloves, then you have no business going to Olympics which is supposed to be for the very best.

i think that is outright nonsense.

[Horse]

i think that is outright nonsense.

In what way?

[gregor]

it provides a precedence and i believe
a dangerous one. what would keep a
seasoned pro from entering?

This was already answered... there is not enough money to attract the best. Do you think Mayweather would rather:
(1) stay pro, negotiate another 30 mln fight with "proper" opponent
(2)go back to amateurs, fight 4-5 opponents in about two weeks time during Olympics, all this for virtually no money, and risk his "0" that way?
As you have seen already, no top boxer got joined, and I doubt it was because they cared for IBF belt.

i think in combat sports pros should
not meet amateurs.

Once again... they meet each other and it was even worse in the past. Before 90's, majority of amateurs from eastern block were in fact "professional" amateurs as boxing was their full-time job, but they could not turn pro. Nowadays it is only Cuba, but the reasoning stays the same.

[man]

i think that is outright nonsense.

In what way?

in an olympic tournament pairs are
randomly selected. Magomedrasul
Majidov from azerbajan could be
selected to fight wladimir klitschko.
in my view that is potentially dangerous
for his health.

maybe that sounds not so drastic, but
imagine it is mike tyson at his peak
fighting mr majidov. being talented
enough to make it to the olympics in a
- let's face it - minor sport like boxing
is one thing. facing a real professional
who fought his way for years up the
international ranks is quite another.

my point is that this potentially leads
to drastic mismatches between top
pros and regional amateurs. what if
p4p no1 roy jones junior had decided
at his peak to avenge the shame of
seoul? anyone really want to see him
slaughter a mediocre opponent from
azerbajan?

[Horse]

in an olympic tournament pairs are
randomly selected. Magomedrasul
Majidov from azerbajan could be
selected to fight wladimir klitschko.
in my view that is potentially dangerous
for his health.

maybe that sounds not so drastic, but
imagine it is mike tyson at his peak
fighting mr majidov. being talented
enough to make it to the olympics in a
- let's face it - minor sport like boxing
is one thing. facing a real professional
who fought his way for years up the
international ranks is quite another.

my point is that this potentially leads
to drastic mismatches between top
pros and regional amateurs. what if
p4p no1 roy jones junior had decided
at his peak to avenge the shame of
seoul? anyone really want to see him
slaughter a mediocre opponent from
azerbajan?

Losers should not be participating in the Olympics.

I have no sympathy for the weaklings.