Tyson is Still Most Iconic Post Ali Era

bnovelist · Post by **bnovelist** » 07 Jul 2016, 00:25

Check out these vids and you'll see what I am talking about https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N8OSCB1qYMk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bBk1nggAmHM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-GL9NIeW3k https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTaMvID0L_o

25yrs since his prime and they still keeping memories of his prime ALIVE...

bnovelist · Post by **bnovelist** » 07 Jul 2016, 00:28

I don't know about ya'll lol but his his losses to Evander and Lewis doesn't mean a damn thing! Inside people believe prime Tyson would have

handled them look at how mainstream media is imortalizing Tyson.

gilgamesh · Post by **gilgamesh** » 07 Jul 2016, 00:29

I think it goes without saying he was one of the biggest Post Ali era boxers. Fighters getting that uber famous doesn't happen that often. Only a handful of fighters throughout the sports entire history have reached Tyson level fame.

bnovelist · Post by **bnovelist** » 07 Jul 2016, 00:33

Money May claims TBE yet he's in no video games, movies, or cartoons? They are ALWAYS coming up with something for Iron Mike!

gilgamesh · Post by **gilgamesh** » 07 Jul 2016, 00:42

bnovelist wrote:Money May claims TBE yet he's in no video games, movies, or cartoons? They are ALWAYS coming up with something for Iron Mike!

Mayweather is in quite a few video games, but he's just another Boxer in them. He doesn't have his face on the cover of any of 'em, and he doesn't have any of 'em named after him.

bnovelist · Post by **bnovelist** » 07 Jul 2016, 00:42

Refusing to let Prime Tyson die off that's how much of a Reign of Terror he left...you know I compare it to one of those classic horror movies like

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dCVh4lBfW-c he was that scary in his heyday over 2 decades later they are constantly bringing Tyson back to

life.

bnovelist · Post by **bnovelist** » 07 Jul 2016, 00:50

I'm going to be totally honest. The creepiest part of Tyson's career is the footage of him fighting as a teen https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpL2tjXYO8c and it makes sense why he was so damn loyal to Cus and Camille...they were his true parents after the passing of his birth mother.
I believe in my heart had Cus lived 10yrs more Tyson would have taken care of Holyfield, Bowe, and Lewis. Tyson would have died for Cus

bnovelist · Post by **bnovelist** » 07 Jul 2016, 01:14

Here goes another one in Japan the crowd is usually quiet and ultra observant but they had to let it rip when Tyson was introduced! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bW3q3gWmSPo

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 07 Jul 2016, 07:34

You do realise this is a forum predominantly full of hardcore boxing fans ? (plus quite a few whack-jobs) - I don't think it really needs explaining to anyone here that Tyson was and remains the biggest icon in boxing post Ali.

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 07 Jul 2016, 07:35

bnovelist wrote:I'm going to be totally honest. The creepiest part of Tyson's career is the footage of him fighting as a teen https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpL2tjXYO8c and it makes sense why he was so damn loyal to Cus and Camille...they were his true parents after the passing of his birth mother.
I believe in my heart had Cus lived 10yrs more Tyson would have taken care of Holyfield, Bowe, and Lewis. Tyson would have died for Cus

Tyson and cus would have fallen out, the cracks were already showing before Cus died.

Once Tyson was flooded with money and adulation, he wouldn't have wanted to continue to be infantalised by Cus.

People talk about Cus like he was a saint, but ultimately, he was some old white dude obsessesed with having the youngest heavyweight champ in history, Tyson was a means to feed his own ego.

bnovelist · Post by **bnovelist** » 07 Jul 2016, 11:33

Yeah but it's a 2 way streak though. No Cus= No Iron Mike Tyson that alone puts Cus in legendary for giving the world Mike Tyson. It was because of

Cus's mentoring and training CONSTANT mentoring and training that we got to experience young Tyson and the Tyson today in general.

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 07 Jul 2016, 11:35

bnovelist wrote:Yeah but it's a 2 way streak though. No Cus= No Iron Mike Tyson that alone puts Cus in legendary for giving the world Mike Tyson. It was because of

Cus's mentoring and training CONSTANT mentoring and training that we got to experience young Tyson and the Tyson today in general.

Again, you're stating the bleedin' obvious, these aren't things you've discovered through investigative nous, it's something I'd say 95% of the people on this forum already know.

bnovelist · Post by **bnovelist** » 07 Jul 2016, 12:11

Hey what you think about this theory? During the Tyson vs Holyfield 1 fight Tyson hit and hurt Holy with a body shot followed by a uppercut but

didn't have the killer instinct to follow through. Tyson trained under Rooney used to fire off that same combination multiple times throughout a

fight and following through afterwards. Watch the Berto Cooper and Quick Tillis fights. How many rounds would Holy had survived?

reggaereggae · Post by **reggaereggae** » 07 Jul 2016, 12:41

Its actually amazing how popular he is especially with ad firms and the public considering he's a multiple felon and convicted rapist.

I'm not being judgmental - it's just a little odd and shows the man's power / attraction. You feel a drugs test and all your endorsements disappear, rape someone, wife beat, beat up motorists.... Let the dust settle and if you're Mike Tyson you bounce back!

Tony1244 · Post by **Tony1244** » 07 Jul 2016, 13:10

bnovelist wrote:I don't know about ya'll lol but his his losses to Evander and Lewis doesn't mean a damn thing! Inside people believe prime Tyson would have

handled them look at how mainstream media is imortalizing Tyson.

It means a damn thing if you're talking about boxing fanatics like us who draw up all time P4P fantasy lists.

But you're right, the average American waitress for instance knows the names Ali and Tyson. Evander not as much. LL, sad to say, regardless of how great a fighter he was, the average person here has no idea who he is, partly because of the American demise in boxing.

Bricks · Post by **Bricks** » 07 Jul 2016, 13:24

bnovelist wrote:Money May claims TBE yet he's in no video games, movies, or cartoons? They are ALWAYS coming up with something for Iron Mike!

Or commercials or endorsements

Until the summer of 1988 Tyson had dozens of endorsements ......even the NYPD were using him in ads!! Fuji,Nintendo, Diet Coke... and that was in the non endorsement era! Jordan was gonna explode it a few years after.

Tyson was HUGE HUGE HUGE....Mayweather despite the era of social media, dedicated sports channels. and youtube (TYSON HAD NONE OF THOSE) and greater globalisation is a small wanabee boy in comparison...pot noodle to tysons ritz hotel banquet

gilgamesh · Post by **gilgamesh** » 07 Jul 2016, 13:35

bnovelist wrote:Hey what you think about this theory? During the Tyson vs Holyfield 1 fight Tyson hit and hurt Holy with a body shot followed by a uppercut but

didn't have the killer instinct to follow through. Tyson trained under Rooney used to fire off that same combination multiple times throughout a

fight and following through afterwards. Watch the Berto Cooper and Quick Tillis fights. How many rounds would Holy had survived?

Holyfield would've always beaten Tyson. He was all wrong for Mike.

SaadOffTheDeck · Post by **SaadOffTheDeck** » 07 Jul 2016, 13:49

He's also still Holyfield's son.

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 07 Jul 2016, 14:11

Judah Ben Fur wrote:
bnovelist wrote:Money May claims TBE yet he's in no video games, movies, or cartoons? They are ALWAYS coming up with something for Iron Mike![/quote

Or commercials or endorsements

Until the summer of 1988 Tyson had dozens of endorsements ......even the NYPD were using him in ads!! Fuji,Nintendo, Diet Coke... and that was in the non endorsement era! Jordan was gonna explode it a few years after.

Tyson was HUGE HUGE HUGE....Mayweather despite the era of social media, dedicated sports channels. and youtube (TYSON HAD NONE OF THOSE) and greater globalisation is a small wanabee boy in comparison...pot noodle to tysons ritz hotel banquet

And with good reason, Tyson was explosive, raw, dangerous, and exciting, whereas Mayweather is cautious, contrived and dull.

In Tyson, you imagined that he might just be the most fearsome street fighter on the planet, whereas Mayweather would have one of his goons beat you up, because he'd be too worried about his prada sunglassed getting scuffed.

Mayweather for all his skills, the definitition of a self manufactured fighter, he is tough no doubt, and has shown it, but he's not there to show that, but avoid showing it, it's smart for sure, but it is enthralling - no it isn't.

Rexob · Post by **Rexob** » 07 Jul 2016, 15:12

reggaereggae wrote:Its actually amazing how popular he is especially with ad firms and the public considering he's a multiple felon and convicted rapist.

I'm not being judgmental - it's just a little odd and shows the man's power / attraction. You feel a drugs test and all your endorsements disappear, rape someone, wife beat, beat up motorists.... Let the dust settle and if you're Mike Tyson you bounce back!

Yeah, he said before he is without doubt the luckiest guy he knows and I'm sure he has met a few people in his life.

Like a Boss · Post by **Like a Boss** » 07 Jul 2016, 16:34

gilgamesh wrote:I think it goes without saying he was one of the biggest Post Ali era boxers. Fighters getting that uber famous doesn't happen that often. Only a handful of fighters throughout the sports entire history have reached Tyson level fame.

Bricks · Post by **Bricks** » 07 Jul 2016, 19:51

For all my dislike of him....mayweathers last fight ever v berto exhilirated me

Hecshould incredible speed and skills against a younger faster guy in berto....if he did go out ,that was the way to do it

Kalan · Post by **Kalan** » 07 Jul 2016, 21:40

Mayweather didn't show anything too brilliant -- or he would have stopped Berto and wouldn't have gotten hit as much.

In Berto's 6 previous fights to that he was floored 6 times and beaten 3 times... He was a cherry pick... Tyson also did a lot of cherry-picking and avoided Lennox Lewis for over 10 years... and when Mike finally fought Lewis his was completely dominated and KO'd for the 10-count.

Kalan · Post by **Kalan** » 07 Jul 2016, 21:43

The deal was... Tyson was an American and Lewis wasn't... Therefore Lewis got the short end of the stick often.

gilgamesh · Post by **gilgamesh** » 07 Jul 2016, 21:46

Kalan wrote:The deal was... Tyson was an American and Lewis wasn't... Therefore Lewis got the short end of the stick often.

The experts generally rank Lennox Lewis over Mike on the All Time Heavyweights list though so Lennox has that going for him.

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