Healthrisk in the American Heavyweight fights?

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asdfjkl
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Healthrisk in the American Heavyweight fights?

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I just noticed Andy Ruiz his next few fights and previous fight and wondered how this can be allowed. He's going to fight someone who has a decent record in the previous century, recently all of a sudden started to fight three unranked guys with a terrible record and now Andy Ruiz? A 27-0 boxer? Om top of this Ruiz is also scheduled to fight barely active Franklin Lawrence.
I already considered his last fight very riskfull against Ray Austin. I also consider the Ray Austin - George Washington to be a dangerous fight. Ray Austin his health is at risk in my opinion, I don't think fights like this should be allowed. A Ray Austin vs that junkie Wilder is going to fight and a fight between Wilder and Washington would be better and more safe for everyone.

I really have the feeling Americans don't care about health. Ray Austin is in far worser shape as Briggs, Thompson, Mansour or name them. Even Billy Wright is in far better shape atm.
chinarich
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Re: Healthrisk in the American Heavyweight fights?

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I have no problem at all with Ray Austin facing George Washington, they're about the same age...

Andy Ruiz, however, should stop picking on corpses...
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Re: Healthrisk in the American Heavyweight fights?

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ANDY RUIZ CAN'T GET AN APPROPRIATE OPPONENT INTO THE RING.. He might as well quit.. Boxing isn't a merit based sport -- it's a business.

Nobody will fight Ruiz except guys who are looking to trade a certain loss for a paycheck... Boxing has no mechanism to force anybody to fight appropriate opponents... and it never DID... I don't expect ANYTHING to change.

I actually first took note of this problem in the 1950's -- when Sonny Liston was the best Heavyweight and Patterson was fighting guys like Pete Rademacher, Roy Harris, and Tom McNeeley... When Liston got old enough he did get a shot... In the 1970's when Holmes was the best Heavyweight Ali decided to fight Leon Spinks... And why WOULDN'T he fight Spinks??? Nobody in Boxing was telling Ali he had to fight Homes... Spinks was stripped of the title and Holmes won it by beating Norton -- but there was MORE than one title.. Ali fought Spinks again for the other title.

After Leonard beat Hagler for the 160 Title his top Middleweight Challengers were Michael Nunn, Mike McCallum, and Julian Jackson... Leonard knew they were exceptionally dangerous opponents... He offered unknown Donny Lalonde millions to boil down to 168 and fight for a vacant 168 Title... Leonard then took that 168-pound title and defended it at 160 against whoever he wanted... A very smart business move, so you have to applaud him.

George Foreman got 3 different tries at Heavyweight Titles in his 40's... He converted the shot at Michael Moorer... After that George picked his own challengers... There wasn't a chance he was going to fight Lewis.. Mercer.. McCall.. Tyson.. Bowe.. Tua.. Holyfield.. or anybody like that.. Foreman was probably the smartest businessman who ever captured the Heavyweight Title.

Watch this video at the 2:20 mark https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKMOqDLVFuk
asdfjkl
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chinarich wrote:I have no problem at all with Ray Austin facing George Washington, they're about the same age...

Andy Ruiz, however, should stop picking on corpses...
About the same age? Ray is 45 and completely out of shape, Washington 34 and in his prime? The age isn't even the biggest problem, but the shape he's in seems terrible.
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I'm sure Andy Ruiz could find a better opponent than he's been matched with. There are oodles of guys at Heavyweight to choose from many of whom aren't considered all that dangerous.

Szpilka, Travis Kauffman, David Price, Arreola, Stiverne...any of those guys would likely take a fight with Ruiz if they were offered it.
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Re: Healthrisk in the American Heavyweight fights?

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asdfjkl wrote:
chinarich wrote:I have no problem at all with Ray Austin facing George Washington, they're about the same age...

Andy Ruiz, however, should stop picking on corpses...
About the same age? Ray is 45 and completely out of shape, Washington 34 and in his prime? The age isn't even the biggest problem, but the shape he's in seems terrible.
Poor joke, apologies, you wrote George instead of Gerald Washington...

As to the poster who claims everyone apart from washed-up Heavyweights desperate for a payday are avoiding Andy Ruiz I just don't buy it. Ruiz may well want the big fights and just be poorly promoted but one never hears about him calling anyone out...
asdfjkl
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Re: Healthrisk in the American Heavyweight fights?

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chinarich wrote:
asdfjkl wrote:
chinarich wrote:I have no problem at all with Ray Austin facing George Washington, they're about the same age...


Andy Ruiz, however, should stop picking on corpses...
About the same age? Ray is 45 and completely out of shape, Washington 34 and in his prime? The age isn't even the biggest problem, but the shape he's in seems terrible.
Poor joke, apologies, you wrote George instead of Gerald Washington...

As to the poster who claims everyone :maybe: ap :-x art from washed-up Heavyweights desperate for a payday are avoiding Andy Ruiz I just don't buy it. Ruiz may well want the big fights and just be poorly promoted but one never hears about him calling anyone out...
Oh lol, my bad! :oops:
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Re: Healthrisk in the American Heavyweight fights?

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chinarich wrote:
asdfjkl wrote:
chinarich wrote:I have no problem at all with Ray Austin facing George Washington, they're about the same age...

Andy Ruiz, however, should stop picking on corpses...
About the same age? Ray is 45 and completely out of shape, Washington 34 and in his prime? The age isn't even the biggest problem, but the shape he's in seems terrible.
Poor joke, apologies, you wrote George instead of Gerald Washington...

As to the poster who claims everyone apart from washed-up Heavyweights desperate for a payday are avoiding Andy Ruiz I just don't buy it. Ruiz may well want the big fights and just be poorly promoted but one never hears about him calling anyone out...
There's no shortage of decent mid-level guys to test yourself against that would jump at the chance to fight Fat Ruiz.
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Re: Healthrisk in the American Heavyweight fights?

Post by DrunkenBoxer »

Andy Ruiz Jr. only fights boxers that are over 35 years of age. Problem? :o
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