Floyd Patterson vrs Wilt Chamberlain (1959)

[Kalan]

Then use it

[keithmoonhangover]

Then use it

I do thanks.

[BoxBuzz]

Listen to the video you sarcastic jerk.

I did, you somewhat naive, quasi pie in the sky dreamer. Wilt knew better than anyone that the whole thing was best used as a simple promotion gimmick for both of them.

You know it as well. I know it, and I just heard that Bob Dole knows it. As does Bob Garrett

[BoxBuzz]

Kalan, please stop calling our fellow esteemed patrons, unkind names.

[keithmoonhangover]

Kalan, please stop calling our fellow esteemed patrons, unkind names.

I am guilty on occasion also and so are some of the other posters. I will behave myself.

[Kalan]

Listen to the video you sarcastic jerk.

I did, you somewhat naive, quasi pie in the sky dreamer. Wilt knew better than anyone that the whole thing was best used as a simple promotion gimmick for both of them.

You know it as well. I know it, and I just heard that Bob Dole knows it. As does Bob Garrett

You know NOTHING!!!! ... Wilt Chamberlain was dead serious... The fight was HUGE!!! Ali went through a long charade pretending he'd fight Wilt... The charade included Wilt hiring his own legal team to help negotiate and draw up a contract... The fight would have made millions for Ali and Chamberlain... The whole damned charade cost Wilt more than he made on it... He wasn't interested in wasting time... Ali was... Wilt wanted to fight... Ali didn't.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mF57P1uUG0s

[BoxBuzz]

You keep using those words, I do not think they mean what you think they mean......


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2y8Sx4B2Sk

[Kalan]

You keep using any dumb words that come into your head... They don't have to be backed by any facts or even theories... you just type them... Plus you never listen. and you make false promises regarding studying the Armstrong and Valero vids. You lie a lot, and never acknowledge truths.

[keithmoonhangover]

They don't have to be backed by any facts or even theories... you just type them.

Sounds like u

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I'd have worried about Patterson's well-being, being put up against an invincible monster like the mighty Wilton Norman Chamberlain.

Wilt had no weaknesses whatsover & would never have bruised, cut or got tired.

He also had the best chin in history, despite never being walloped on it by a professional boxer & would not have gone down.

Patterson was famed for his handspeed, arguably the best in HW history, but that was as nothing compared to the mighty Wilt's handspeed.

As for power, forget it Floyd; I know Patterson had a dig on him when he wanted, but Wilt's withering power would have been way too much for him.

Chamberlain KO2 Patterson - It goes to the second round because Wilt would have spent the first round feeling Floyd out & never having boxed before, he'd take his time to just get used to things.

[keithmoonhangover]

I'd have worried about Patterson's well-being, being put up against an invincible monster like the mighty Wilton Norman Chamberlain.

Wilt had no weaknesses whatsover & would never have bruised, cut or got tired.

He also had the best chin in history, despite never being walloped on it by a professional boxer & would not have gone down.

Patterson was famed for his handspeed, arguably the best in HW history, but that was as nothing compared to the mighty Wilt's handspeed.

As for power, forget it Floyd; I know Patterson had a dig on him when he wanted, but Wilt's withering power would have been way too much for him.

Chamberlain KO2 Patterson - It goes to the second round because Wilt would have spent the first round feeling Floyd out & never having boxed before, he'd take his time to just get used to things.

[hhaehre]

I think a very legit question at this point is:
If Wilt rose from the dead (as we all know he is capable of), could he beat Joshua with 6 minutes of training using 45 oz novelty gloves? Joshua's hands would of course be wrapped with leather straps, coated in resin and dipped in broken glass. Also Wilt would be blindfolded and have banana peels strapped to his feet.

I'd still go with Wilt

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I think a very legit question at this point is:
If Wilt rose from the dead (as we all know he is capable of), could he beat Joshua with 6 minutes of training using 45 oz novelty gloves? Joshua's hands would of course be wrapped with leather straps, coated in resin and dipped in broken glass. Also Wilt would be blindfolded and have banana peels trapped to his feet.

I'd still go with Wilt

Me too.

[Caractacus]

check out this rare photograph of Wilt Chamberlain visiting Floyd Patterson at his training camp at Kutshers in the Catskill Mountains.
(were Wilt once worked as a bellhop for 2 dollars an hour (plus tips).
were Wilt was known to carry six full suitcases at once up three flights of stairs.


http://www.josportsinc.com/catalog/view.php?id=19464

[Caractacus]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4a5WUdJfGKQ

[gp.]

I think a very legit question at this point is:
If Wilt rose from the dead (as we all know he is capable of), could he beat Joshua with 6 minutes of training using 45 oz novelty gloves? Joshua's hands would of course be wrapped with leather straps, coated in resin and dipped in broken glass. Also Wilt would be blindfolded and have banana peels strapped to his feet.

I'd still go with Wilt

You are being ridiculous now.

Wilt wouldn't have to rise from the dead to beat Joshua. He could beat Joshua while still dead, as long we strapped him upright to a stick.

It's only if he had to fight three or four of the greatest boxers of all time, all at once, that Chamberlain would have to be alive.

Have you not seen the video that proves Joe Frazier couldn't swim?

[Kalan]

Joshua??? ... Not Joshua.. Patterson was 5'11" X 182... Ali had fragile hands... a poor defense... got knocked down a lot with left hooks... got his jaw shattered with a left hook... pulled straight back from punches... had no body attack... got hit too much... so Ali was Wilt's target... There's no basketball player around today who could match up with Joshua -- who doesn't have any of Ali's talent and ability deficiencies.

[BoxBuzz]

Joshua??? ... Not Joshua.. Patterson was 5'11" X 182... Ali had fragile hands... a poor defense... got knocked down a lot with left hooks... got his jaw shattered with a left hook... pulled straight back from punches... had no body attack... got hit too much... so Ali was Wilt's target... There's no basketball player around today who could match up with Joshua -- who doesn't have any of Ali's talent and ability deficiencies.

You've definitely got every negative moment of certain fighters careers etched in your memory. You seem to nearly celebrate them, as if that defines these fighters. On the other hand, you focus only on the positive moments for other fighters....like Valero for instance. Perhaps Ottke as well, since he's another fella who batted at thousand in the game of boxing. I actually think you should spend a wee bit more of your time reviewing the other side of these various coins. Just for balance.

If not, you run the serious risk of tipping over.

How about if we judged you solely on your oddest or most fringe contributions only? Surely we might begin to think less of you than might otherwise be warranted, based on your entire body of work.
I mean you quite often spell words correctly, use proper sentence structure, and have proven outstanding in the appropriate use of the colon.

[Kalan]

Joshua??? ... Not Joshua.. Patterson was 5'11" X 182... Ali had fragile hands... a poor defense... got knocked down a lot with left hooks... got his jaw shattered with a left hook... pulled straight back from punches... had no body attack... got hit too much... so Ali was Wilt's target... There's no basketball player around today who could match up with Joshua -- who doesn't have any of Ali's talent and ability deficiencies.

You've definitely got every negative moment of certain fighters careers etched in your memory. You seem to nearly celebrate them, as if that defines these fighters. On the other hand, you focus only on the positive moments for other fighters....like Valero for instance. Perhaps Ottke as well, since he's another fella who batted at thousand in the game of boxing. I actually think you should spend a wee bit more of your time reviewing the other side of these various coins. Just for balance.

If not, you run the serious risk of tipping over.

How about if we judged you solely on your oddest or most fringe contributions only? Surely we might begin to think less of you than might otherwise be warranted, based on your entire body of work.
I mean you quite often spell words correctly, use proper sentence structure, and have proven outstanding in the appropriate use of the colon.

I never saw Ottke fight because he didn't make a name for himself... Plus he was feather hitter... I'm pretty sure he wasn't any good.

All of Ali's sycophants are enough balance... I've already stated Ali was a great fighter and great human being -- and I stated why I thought so... It's more YOU and the other nut huggers who fail to see the holes in Ali, Armstrong, Robinson, Tyson, etc.. Everybody was saying Shane Mosley was the P4P number 1 at one time.. He was 38-0 so he could do no wrong.. He beat the great DLH right??? They wouldn't see the holes that Vernon Forrest would exploit and made excuses for Shane... I mean Mosley was way better than Armstrong, but he had his problems.

Plus I wanted to know just what technical problems Valero had because you never pointed them out.. And I pointed out Armstrong's Myriad style and technical problems and you never acknowledged them or took a serious look at them.

[Caractacus]

I never saw Ottke fight because he didn't make a name for himself... Plus he was feather hitter... I'm pretty sure he wasn't any good.

Of course Sven Ottke was good......dam good, it was that he was just a "feather hitter".

[Kalan]

If you're good you want to challenge the best in the world.. Ottke DIDN'T want to do that.. He was content with being a local hero.

[gilgamesh]

Pete McNeeley would slaughter Wilt.

[Kalan]

A great many people KNEW Chamberlain would knock Ali COLD... Including Cus D'Amato and Ali... Cus said, "Chamberlain is so big, tall, strong, athletically gifted and quick, and his reach is so unbelievable...that when he hit's Ali, it's be LIGHTS OUT!!! We might all go home the first time Ali sticks a tentative jab out there -- because any counter-puncher with Chamberlain's reach, power, and speed, is going to nail Ali.. and even If he didn't put Ali out cold with his right hand, his chin will be right there for Chamberlain's follow up left hook or uppercut -- which may even be harder."

That's why Ali wouldn't sign the negotiated deal when Wilt Chamberlain kept begging for his signature on the bottom like... Ali couldn't and wouldn't even give ANYONE a guesstimate of WHEN he would sign the contract. Finally a formal contract signing was set up, Ali wanted no media because he knew he wasn't going to sign again... Ali and Chamberlain's team's both flew in for the signing -- but Ali wouldn't sign.

Wilt was very frustrated because Ali didn't want to fight him like he bragged he would. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mF57P1uUG0s

[gilgamesh]

A great many people KNEW Chamberlain would knock Ali COLD... Including Cus D'Amato and Ali... Cus said, "Chamberlain is so big, tall, strong, athletically gifted and quick, and his reach is so unbelievable...that when he hit's Ali, it's be LIGHTS OUT!!! We might all go home the first time Ali sticks a tentative jab out there -- because any counter-puncher with Chamberlain's reach, power, and speed, is going to nail Ali.. and even If he didn't put Ali out cold with his right hand, his chin will be right there for Chamberlain's follow up left hook or uppercut -- which may even be harder."

That's why Ali wouldn't sign the negotiated deal when Wilt Chamberlain kept begging for his signature on the bottom like... Ali couldn't and wouldn't even give ANYONE a guesstimate of WHEN he would sign the contract. Finally a formal contract signing was set up, Ali wanted no media because he knew he wasn't going to sign again... Ali and Chamberlain's team's both flew in for the signing -- but Ali wouldn't sign.

Wilt was very frustrated because Ali didn't want to fight him like he bragged he would. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mF57P1uUG0s

Nobody is buying what you're selling

[gp.]

A great many people KNEW Chamberlain would knock Ali COLD... Including Cus D'Amato and Ali... Cus said, "Chamberlain is so big, tall, strong, athletically gifted and quick, and his reach is so unbelievable...that when he hit's Ali, it's be LIGHTS OUT!!! We might all go home the first time Ali sticks a tentative jab out there -- because any counter-puncher with Chamberlain's reach, power, and speed, is going to nail Ali.. and even If he didn't put Ali out cold with his right hand, his chin will be right there for Chamberlain's follow up left hook or uppercut -- which may even be harder."

That's why Ali wouldn't sign the negotiated deal when Wilt Chamberlain kept begging for his signature on the bottom like... Ali couldn't and wouldn't even give ANYONE a guesstimate of WHEN he would sign the contract. Finally a formal contract signing was set up, Ali wanted no media because he knew he wasn't going to sign again... Ali and Chamberlain's team's both flew in for the signing -- but Ali wouldn't sign.

Wilt was very frustrated because Ali didn't want to fight him like he bragged he would. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mF57P1uUG0s

Did Cus D'Amato tell you that when you met him? It's funny how he talked like a tabloid newspaper.

Back in the 70s I too met Cus; he was with the Count from Sesame Street, who was at the time acting as Big Bird's manager when he was contemplating a move in to boxing.

Both of them agreed that people with demonstrable boxing experience were the ones that Ali tended to have problems with - it's a link, as you will see if you do your research, that in all Ali's losses the opponent had boxed before, sometimes several times. That's why even Bird, who at over eight feet dwarfed Wilt, was determined to fight at least a couple of hopeless stiffs before attempting to take on Ali. The Count of course was happy to take whatever came as long as he felt there was a good chance of a KO for him to count over which explains why he never really made much of a showing as a manager in the boxing world. I think his only other client was Karriem Respress http://boxrec.com/boxer/58874.