Golovkin vs Brook Sept 10

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Badhusker wrote:
boxing_rocks wrote:
Badhusker wrote:
A year ago Lara was publicly calling out GGG. Abel Sanchez turned down the fight and admitted it. To think that no fighter other than Brook will fight GGG from 147 to 160 is laughable. GGG says he will go to 168 for a big fight. (if his name is not Ward) Maybe they need to put up the money. No one knows what they are offering. Here is an article from Last year, when Sanchez said Lara hasn't done enough to deserve a GGG fight. In the meantime, GGG fights guys that are far less known and accomplished than Lara.
http://www.BS.com/golovkins-co ... hot--93854
Lara's team NEVER contacted Loefler. Why is that if they want the fight? Lara is just looking for publicity.
You obviously didn't read what I read, or the article. Leoffler brought Lara and Mora's names to Sanchez for potential fights last year. Maybe he did because Lara was publicly calling GGG out? It really doesn't matter if Lara contacted him or not. If they publicly say they are not interested why would they waste their time contacting them? Do lesser known boxers often send contracts to the champion at his weight? I would love nothing more than GGG to beat down Lara to shut him up, but GGG's team (Sanchez) clearly said he didn't want the fight. You can read into that whatever you want, but it is a fact. Lara is more well known and a tougher challenge than quite a few of GGG's recent opponents. His style is what they don't like, imo.
I am not talking about sending a contract. I am just talking about calling or sending text/email to say that they are interested. Top Haymon fighters don't fight on HBO, so Lara tweeting MEANS NOTHING unless Haymon or his promoter confirms that he is allowed to fight on HBO. Them not contacting Loefler means that he isn't.

What Sanchez meant at that time was that Lara should deserve a GGG fight by beating a solid MW. Of course, Lara would be more preferable than Brook, but Golovkin needed the contact signed within a few days, so Lara was not an option.
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Re: Golovkin vs Brook Sept 10

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man wrote:
SaadOffTheDeck wrote:He'll handle the weight fine. Golovkin is not a big Middleweight. I wouldn't be surprised if Kell was heavier in the ring. Most Boxing fans fail to comprehend weight because they're so fixated on divisions.
i second that. gennady does not seem
to be a weight draining monster. he
might not even drain at all, since he
has been fighting at the exact same
weight throughout his career and he
is now in his mid thirties.
He was 163 or 164 30 days out from his last fight. Everyone called Sergio a small Middle and he was noticeably bigger than GGG.
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Re: Golovkin vs Brook Sept 10

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Badhusker wrote:
Larrylefthook wrote:
lefty wrote:If we're being objective Golovkin should probably get the same criticism for fighting a 147'er that Canelo got for fighting Khan. I think it will be a fun fight though.
Not at all should GGG be treated the same as Canelo, Canelo's team pursued Khan even though every middleweight would fight Canelo while GGG's team have chased Canelo, BJS and got messed about by the Eubank's, they got offered the Brook fight they didn't chase him, also GGG wants to fight 3/4 times a year he cant waste time This is TOTALLY different.
Spin it however you want, but it is still a bit of a cherry pick from team GGG. Brook is still a big welterweight, but not a Jr. Middle or MW. Some talk like it will be no problem fighting at 160 for the first time. Its shocking (not) what people will do for money. Like the Canelo/Khan fight, I hope the cherry pick backfires. It makes no difference who pursued who. Lara is a much more well known name worldwide than Brook. Brook has one win of note, out of 36, and it was controversial. It IS much like the Khan/Canelo fight. Absolutely no career damaging risk involved for Brook.

All that said I will look forward to it happening. DannyMCR: you mentioned Brook is a better fight for GGG than any Jr. Middle or Middle? If he was he wouldn't be cutting weight like he has been. :doh: Holy crap that is up there with one of the dumbest things I have heard so far this year.
:lol:
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SaadOffTheDeck wrote:
man wrote:
SaadOffTheDeck wrote:He'll handle the weight fine. Golovkin is not a big Middleweight. I wouldn't be surprised if Kell was heavier in the ring. Most Boxing fans fail to comprehend weight because they're so fixated on divisions.
i second that. gennady does not seem
to be a weight draining monster. he
might not even drain at all, since he
has been fighting at the exact same
weight throughout his career and he
is now in his mid thirties.
He was 163 or 164 30 days out from his last fight. Everyone called Sergio a small Middle and he was noticeably bigger than GGG.
He normally comes to the camp at 170. I think they were experimenting with weight hoping to land Mayweather.
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Re: Golovkin vs Brook Sept 10

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Today's Steve Kim's interview with Loefler:

https://www.facebook.com/UCNLive/videos ... =2&theater
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Re: Golovkin vs Brook Sept 10

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Badhusker wrote: Spin it however you want, but it is still a bit of a cherry pick from team GGG. Brook is still a big welterweight, but not a Jr. Middle or MW. Some talk like it will be no problem fighting at 160 for the first time. Its shocking (not) what people will do for money. Like the Canelo/Khan fight, I hope the cherry pick backfires. It makes no difference who pursued who. Lara is a much more well known name worldwide than Brook. Brook has one win of note, out of 36, and it was controversial. It IS much like the Khan/Canelo fight.
Shut your trap.

25 march 2016:
KELL BROOK - 'NO ONE WANTS TO GO NEAR GENNADY GOLOVKIN, I'M SAYING IT ON CAMERA ... I'LL FIGHT HIM'

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BeARZPi ... e=youtu.be

http://sportpush.com/kell-brook-i-will- ... -golovkin/

"Earlier this week, news came out about how Matchroom Sport promoter Eddie Hearn said he was interested in matching his fighter IBF welterweight champion Kell Brook (35-0, 24 KOs) against unbeaten IBF/IBO/WBA middleweight Gennady “GGG” Golovkin at a catch-weight of 157lbs.
Mentioning Golovkin’s name as someone that Brook could fight next, might be something that could trigger a stampede for the remaining tickets for the Sheffield Arena. Well, Brook is still talking about wanting to fight Golovkin, and yeah, Brook wants a catch-weight handicap somewhere in the middle between 155 and 160."

No one wants to go near Gennady Golovkin,” said Brook to IFL TV. “I’m saying live on camera, I will fight Golovkin. If we can come to a decision on weight, I’ll get in with Golovkin, and I’ll show you what I can really do. He’s a middleweight. I’m a welterweight. We’ve got to meet somewhere in the middle. That’s what we’d do if we sat around the table and sorted the weight out. We’d get in with Golovkin and show you what I can really do. I rise to the occasion every time. Believe you me, if I got in there with Golovkin, I’d go in there to win. Those are the names [Tim Bradley and Manny Pacquiao] I want, and those are the names I’m desperate for, and those are the names I’m getting. I’m going to get rid of Bizier, then I’m going to move on to exciting fights. I’ve got so many voluntaries until my mandatory comes around again. I’m going to make full use of that by [promoter] Eddie Hearn getting the best fights out there, and matching me up with those top names for the fights they want to see. Even if it means moving up, I’m willing to move up,” said Brook.


Was Canelo called up by Khan in the past ? Did Khan's promoter talk to Hoya ?

No ?

Then yes, that was a cherry pick by CANYELLOW, which has nothing to do with the Brook - GGG fight right now; their promoters were in talks since march this year.

And if you think the Brook - Porter result was controversial, you need to get your eyes and brain checked at once, and stop wasting everybody's time here.
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Re: Golovkin vs Brook Sept 10

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crow wrote:
Badhusker wrote: Spin it however you want, but it is still a bit of a cherry pick from team GGG. Brook is still a big welterweight, but not a Jr. Middle or MW. Some talk like it will be no problem fighting at 160 for the first time. Its shocking (not) what people will do for money. Like the Canelo/Khan fight, I hope the cherry pick backfires. It makes no difference who pursued who. Lara is a much more well known name worldwide than Brook. Brook has one win of note, out of 36, and it was controversial. It IS much like the Khan/Canelo fight.
Shut your trap.

25 march 2016:
KELL BROOK - 'NO ONE WANTS TO GO NEAR GENNADY GOLOVKIN, I'M SAYING IT ON CAMERA ... I'LL FIGHT HIM'

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BeARZPi ... e=youtu.be

http://sportpush.com/kell-brook-i-will- ... -golovkin/

"Earlier this week, news came out about how Matchroom Sport promoter Eddie Hearn said he was interested in matching his fighter IBF welterweight champion Kell Brook (35-0, 24 KOs) against unbeaten IBF/IBO/WBA middleweight Gennady “GGG” Golovkin at a catch-weight of 157lbs.
Mentioning Golovkin’s name as someone that Brook could fight next, might be something that could trigger a stampede for the remaining tickets for the Sheffield Arena. Well, Brook is still talking about wanting to fight Golovkin, and yeah, Brook wants a catch-weight handicap somewhere in the middle between 155 and 160."

No one wants to go near Gennady Golovkin,” said Brook to IFL TV. “I’m saying live on camera, I will fight Golovkin. If we can come to a decision on weight, I’ll get in with Golovkin, and I’ll show you what I can really do. He’s a middleweight. I’m a welterweight. We’ve got to meet somewhere in the middle. That’s what we’d do if we sat around the table and sorted the weight out. We’d get in with Golovkin and show you what I can really do. I rise to the occasion every time. Believe you me, if I got in there with Golovkin, I’d go in there to win. Those are the names [Tim Bradley and Manny Pacquiao] I want, and those are the names I’m desperate for, and those are the names I’m getting. I’m going to get rid of Bizier, then I’m going to move on to exciting fights. I’ve got so many voluntaries until my mandatory comes around again. I’m going to make full use of that by [promoter] Eddie Hearn getting the best fights out there, and matching me up with those top names for the fights they want to see. Even if it means moving up, I’m willing to move up,” said Brook.


Was Canelo called up by Khan in the past ? Did Khan's promoter talk to Hoya ?

No ?

Then yes, that was a cherry pick by CANYELLOW, which has nothing to do with the Brook - GGG fight right now; their promoters were in talks since march this year.

And if you think the Brook - Porter result was controversial, you need to get your eyes and brain checked at once, and stop wasting everybody's time here.
I thought Brook won the fight, but not by a landslide or dominant fashion like some and apparently you think. He had to hold way too much for my liking. Many people thought it was a very close fight, and controversial. That is beside the point anyway. The fact is that it is still his only big win. He had chances to fight both Bradley and Chavez, and went the other direction.

Your argument is that they talked about this fight since March so it isn't a cherry pick like Canelo vs Khan? Weak. A middleweight like GGG vs any welterweight is a cherry pick. Lara has said the same in public, on camera, that he would absolutely fight GGG. GGG's trainer admitted he turned down the Lara fight because Lara had not done enough to earn a GGG fight.

As far as Khan, that dumbass would fight absolutely anyone if the money is right. Especially when he is in a win win situation. The SAME situation Brook is in. Both guys are praised for being so brave, but enough money has a lot to do with it.

Shut my trap for voicing my opinion and laying out some facts for you to support it? fornicate off. Stop wasting everyone's time here? If you have the authority, boot me off the board. If not STFU. The truth hurts, live with it.
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Re: Golovkin vs Brook Sept 10

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Amazes me how you bring up brook holding but it was ok for Floyd to hold, double standard husker
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An opinion from Roach:

http://www.BS.com/roach-blame- ... im--106637?

and more including calling Golovkin best p4p fighter:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJcmcXxbl0A
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