What is a COMPLETE FIGHTER in your view

elmersalsa · Post by **elmersalsa** » 17 Feb 2006, 17:44

Mike McCallum was also a complete fighter that NEVER had the chance to prove his best skills vs the FAB FOUR: Duran, Hagler, Leonard and Hearns

Was Ali a complete fighter???

Is Oscar DeLahoya a Complete fighter???

Your thoughts on this???

surf-bat · Post by **surf-bat** » 18 Feb 2006, 03:33

DoubleM wrote:
BrocktonBlockbuster49 wrote:
Although it must be noted that he was well past his prime by the time Leonard got to him
ya but so was leonard
We all know that. I was making sure people knew Hagler was past it, because many of them think he was in his prime. All they bang on about is how Leonard came back from retirement to beat a tyrant, when really that tyrant was ready for retyrant - I mean retirement.

There's a big difference between years and mileage. Leonard may not have been at his absolute best but he definitely wasn't the battle-worn fighter Hagler was. Mileage takes a lot out of you. That's why Foreman was able to come out of retirement and do as well as he did. He'd retired before putting too much mileage on his meter, as did Leonard.

I still love that quote from Leonard after Marvin beat Sibson: "I sure am glad I'm retired. I didn't know Marvin could box like that!"

Yeah Right. But as soon as he starts to look vulnerable(vs. Mugabi)...SURPRISE!! Suddenly he'll fight him....

For years he claimed that Hearns "wasn't worthy" of a rematch. But when Tommy looks old and vulnerable vs. James Kinchen...GUESS WHAT?? Suddenly Tommy is worthy!

I couldn't stand Ray Leonard. What a coward....

DoubleM · Post by **DoubleM** » 18 Feb 2006, 10:44

Same here, I agree. Even his fighting style annoys me, how he cycles around the ring with a silly look on his face. Bleaurgh.

DoubleM · Post by **DoubleM** » 18 Feb 2006, 16:14

Decagon wrote:Boy, he sure spanked Hagler, though. I kind of agree with that one judge that gave Leonard 10 rounds.

That supposed to annoy me?

DoubleM · Post by **DoubleM** » 19 Feb 2006, 07:21

Emoticons mean f-uck all to me.

jyuza · Post by **jyuza** » 20 Feb 2006, 09:38

Decagon wrote:Boy, he sure spanked Hagler, though. I kind of agree with that one judge that gave Leonard 10 rounds.

Ok 10 rounds for Leonard and 2 rounds even so Hagler was a C class boxer overrated, the biggest joke in middleweight history and a fool with no balls.

Accepting the fights under conditions so Leonard can run all night long in 12 rounds (b/c the old Hagler would have KO him at the 13 or 14 round), with a larger ring and with something like 20 pounds power ankle hang to his balls.
And still, i think he won the Leonard fight.

elmersalsa · Post by **elmersalsa** » 21 Feb 2006, 11:07

Was a Ali a COMPLETE FIGHTER???
How about Oscar DeLaHoya???

Here is another complete fighter: Marcel Cerdan

jyuza · Post by **jyuza** » 22 Feb 2006, 07:27

Sanchez manage to never take a full blow and Whitaker have one of the best defensive style ever. Hagler deserve a mention here, he is the man at middleweight !

I don't think DLH can be compared to those 3 here.