Top 10 of all time p4p

[Tomasino]

Of all boxers who are not active right now:

Sanchez
Tunney
Mayweather
Pep
Holmes
V Klitschko
Monzon
Duran
M. Spinks
Valero

Joshua will eclipse everyone at Heavyweight... Golovkin will eclipse everyone at Middleweight... And there are a few more active fighters who will do well

Golovkin still has a ways to go to eclipse the best all time Middleweights, but he's in the conversation now certainly.

I'm not sure how far Joshua will go ultimately, but I look forward to finding out. I think him becoming the best Heavyweight of all time though is extremely unlikely. Not because he's not talented, but because the history of the division is so rich with tremendous fighters. Some of whom haven't been equaled or bettered in near a century. Like Joe Louis for instance.

Having Valero on an All Time P4P list every time I think you say something that's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard you manage to top yourself Kalan. Kudos. You're a good troll. I almost believed you were that stupid for a little while.

Valero isn't even a Top 100 All Time Lightweight.

You're pretty damned stupid Gilgamesh.. Much dumber than I ever believed possible.. You picked Austin Trout to beat Jermall Charlo and then you said the fight was a draw on your scorecard to try to mitigate your stupid pick.. What a brain dead individual you are... Edwin Valero is a 2-Division World Champion, and has as many successful World Title Defenses as Sugar Ray Robinson ever had. He's never lost or tied a fight and showed great boxing technique and punching power. But to you he's not a Top-100 Lightweight according to you ... obviously many lightweights who nobody ever heard of have to be on your lightweight list well ahead of Valero.

Kalan knows his boxing history.

[gilgamesh]

Of all boxers who are not active right now:

Sanchez
Tunney
Mayweather
Pep
Holmes
V Klitschko
Monzon
Duran
M. Spinks
Valero

Joshua will eclipse everyone at Heavyweight... Golovkin will eclipse everyone at Middleweight... And there are a few more active fighters who will do well

Golovkin still has a ways to go to eclipse the best all time Middleweights, but he's in the conversation now certainly.

I'm not sure how far Joshua will go ultimately, but I look forward to finding out. I think him becoming the best Heavyweight of all time though is extremely unlikely. Not because he's not talented, but because the history of the division is so rich with tremendous fighters. Some of whom haven't been equaled or bettered in near a century. Like Joe Louis for instance.

Having Valero on an All Time P4P list every time I think you say something that's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard you manage to top yourself Kalan. Kudos. You're a good troll. I almost believed you were that stupid for a little while.

Valero isn't even a Top 100 All Time Lightweight.

You're pretty damned stupid Gilgamesh.. Much dumber than I ever believed possible.. You picked Austin Trout to beat Jermall Charlo and then you said the fight was a draw on your scorecard to try to mitigate your stupid pick.. What a brain dead individual you are... Edwin Valero is a 2-Division World Champion, and has as many successful World Title Defenses as Sugar Ray Robinson ever had. He's never lost or tied a fight and showed great boxing technique and punching power. But to you he's not a Top-100 Lightweight according to you ... obviously many lightweights who nobody ever heard of have to be on your lightweight list well ahead of Valero.

He's not a Top 100 Lightweight according to Boxrec either. He's 140 something to be exact. I scored the Jermall Charlo vs Austin Trout fight the way I saw it. There were a lot of close rounds in that fight, and I had no issue with the decision in Charlo's favor. I call fights the way I see 'em. Personal bias never gets in the way of any of my scores.

I don't give a damn if you think I'm stupid because nobody on this site thinks you know sh*t.

[BoxBuzz]

Of all boxers who are not active right now:

Sanchez
Tunney
Mayweather
Pep
Holmes
V Klitschko
Monzon
Duran
M. Spinks
Valero

Joshua will eclipse everyone at Heavyweight... Golovkin will eclipse everyone at Middleweight... And there are a few more active fighters who will do well

Ah, the list of lists!
So, the young professor, who just about showed Sanchez the door when Sanchez was quite a bit more mature doesn't make your top 10? For shame, if Sanchez is 1, ya gotta make room for him.
This is not a bad little list for a young feller such as yourself, and clearly shows intermittent spurts of lucidity!

[BoxBuzz]

Allow me to bring clarity to your eclectic expressed opinion here.

Sanchez
A safe pick on many levels. Mindful, sentimental, stats are good, and he probably deserves top 10 consideration by any serious assessment. Career was a bit short to know how he would have handled aging, but a good effort on your part, nevertheless.)

Tunney
Beats Dempsey and DOMINATES GREB, keeps old timers like me happy that you know some history. With even more thinking you might imagine that Charles could fill this slot every bit as well.

Mayweather
You drank the kool aid? You meant Whitaker right? Anyway he's very good, and many include him here. I have No real quarrel with you that you made this error.

Pep
Since Angelo Dundee said so, I'm inclined not to offer much argument here. Pep is great, How did Saddler do it is the question?

Holmes
He's a fringe contender for many for this honor. And fully needed if your going to place a man I knew personally on this list. (I love Mike Spinks,and will never speak unkindly of him), and if Holmes is on your list, Michael is a requirement. Besides, Holmes Beat both Ali and Butterbean. And I know that means something in your book.

V Klitschko
Vitali right? I'm one of the few who liked Vitali better than Wlad, so that's something we can agree on. However, neither of these belong on this list. You should know better. What were you thinking?

Monzon
Fully and totally agree, I'm glad I was able to persuade you on this. I know you were familiar with my assessments of him, and it has obviously helped educate you on what to look for in this sport. Besides We HAD to have one out of ten that shows up on both our lists.....great minds thinking alike and all.

Duran
Another one we agree on that deserves a spot on this list. Now that's 20% agreement! It's like your my brother from another mother!

M. Spinks
I really did admire Michael, and met his acquaintance many times in St Louis, where it was my privilege to watch him and his brother train on occasion, and they would drop in and hear my music from time to time. I'm glad to see that someone who I share a 20% agreement record with, chooses to honor him in this way. And he did beat Larry twice. I know cuz I just checked the record again. Do you imagine he would have beaten Holyfield as well?

Valero
Ooops....uh...well.....No.....just no. Sorry. This is obviously a type-0. Please repair this at your earliest opportunity. I know you think people will laugh and know your kidding, but I worry that they will laugh AT you vs with you. So fix this.


Checked the list twice, and someone's missing.........where's Waldo? I mean Wilto?

[PredatorHayds]

Did I really just see Valero on a top 10 P4P list?

[BoxBuzz]

Did I really just see Valero on a top 10 P4P list?

Yes you did, like Ottke himself, the man was unbeatable.

[PredatorHayds]

Did I really just see Valero on a top 10 P4P list?

Yes you did, like Ottke himself, the man was unbeatable.

Must be true though. The guy who said it has trained hundreds of pros apparently.

[Kalan]

Golovkin still has a ways to go to eclipse the best all time Middleweights, but he's in the conversation now certainly.

I'm not sure how far Joshua will go ultimately, but I look forward to finding out. I think him becoming the best Heavyweight of all time though is extremely unlikely. Not because he's not talented, but because the history of the division is so rich with tremendous fighters. Some of whom haven't been equaled or bettered in near a century. Like Joe Louis for instance.

Having Valero on an All Time P4P list every time I think you say something that's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard you manage to top yourself Kalan. Kudos. You're a good troll. I almost believed you were that stupid for a little while.

Valero isn't even a Top 100 All Time Lightweight.

You're pretty damned stupid Gilgamesh.. Much dumber than I ever believed possible.. You picked Austin Trout to beat Jermall Charlo and then you said the fight was a draw on your scorecard to try to mitigate your stupid pick.. What a brain dead individual you are... Edwin Valero is a 2-Division World Champion, and has as many successful World Title Defenses as Sugar Ray Robinson ever had. He's never lost or tied a fight and showed great boxing technique and punching power. But to you he's not a Top-100 Lightweight according to you ... obviously many lightweights who nobody ever heard of have to be on your lightweight list well ahead of Valero.

He's not a Top 100 Lightweight according to Boxrec either. He's 140 something to be exact. I scored the Jermall Charlo vs Austin Trout fight the way I saw it. There were a lot of close rounds in that fight, and I had no issue with the decision in Charlo's favor. I call fights the way I see 'em. Personal bias never gets in the way of any of my scores.

I don't give a damn if you think I'm stupid because nobody on this site thinks you know sh*t.

Well YOU REALLY don't know shlt...Anybody who has any brains and has read enough of my posts knows I'm extremely knowledgeable. I don't care where Boxrec ranks Valero... He's a top lightweight all time based on speed, power, skill, his undefeated record, the fact that he knocked all his opponents out so he had a KO ratio of 100%... Was a 2 Division World Champion... and because none of his opponents could even stay with him... In contrast Henry Armstrong lost to guys who had won less than half of their fights... fought a tremendous number of tomato cans... wasn't a skillful boxer... had a KO ratio of 56%... and lead with his head...bulling, butting, leveraging, and shoving continuously and illegally with it.

[gilgamesh]

Well I'm sure that Valero would be glad that one guy thinks he's one of the best fighters ever. The rest of us know better.

[davie]

Can someone check if Kalan and Cheeppppaa share an IP address?

[gilgamesh]

Can someone check if Kalan and Cheeppppaa share an IP address?

By comparison to Kalan. Cheapass is a Boxing genius.

[davie]

Can someone check if Kalan and Cheeppppaa share an IP address?

By comparison to Kalan. Cheapass is a Boxing genius.

Really?

He'd have had Rigo and Lomachenko in that list ahead of Tunney and Duran

[gilgamesh]

Can someone check if Kalan and Cheeppppaa share an IP address?

By comparison to Kalan. Cheapass is a Boxing genius.

Really?

He'd have had Rigo and Lomachenko in that list ahead of Tunney and Duran

That's not a comment on me thinking Cheapass knows what he's talking about when it comes to Boxing. That's a comment on how little Kalan knows about Boxing. Anybody that would have Valero on any P4P list, even if you had him on a P4P list in his own time. You'd have to just be completely clueless about Boxing.

[man]

Of all boxers who are not active right now:

Sanchez
Tunney
Mayweather
Pep
Holmes
V Klitschko
Monzon
Duran
M. Spinks
Valero

Joshua will eclipse everyone at Heavyweight... Golovkin will eclipse everyone at Middleweight... And there are a few more active fighters who will do well

what?