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[questionmore]

By that same token a player signed to man united couldn't appreciate a good game between rival premier league teams without showing bias?
I have been to an mbc show with bad mismatching - just like the ones seen up n down the country on bbbofc shows.

Have to agree with how unfortunate it is for the lack of reports. Boxing news don't cover it. There were reporters there from local radio stations and newspapers but nothing has appeared.

Yes it is. I Wouldn't expect Boxing News to cover it as their focus is BBBofC & Amateurs. But I would have expected some media interest/reporting with the Amir Khan guest appearance link & multi World Title fight plus Clotto billing - The promoter can't be best pleased.

[Cazelo]

By that same token a player signed to man united couldn't appreciate a good game between rival premier league teams without showing bias?
I have been to an mbc show with bad mismatching - just like the ones seen up n down the country on bbbofc shows.

Have to agree with how unfortunate it is for the lack of reports. Boxing news don't cover it. There were reporters there from local radio stations and newspapers but nothing has appeared.

Yes it is. I Wouldn't expect Boxing News to cover it as their focus is BBBofC & Amateurs. But I would have expected some media interest/reporting with the Amir Khan guest appearance link & multi World Title fight plus Clotto billing - The promoter can't be best pleased.

Khan didn't actually make it to the event. I was sceptical for his attending based in it being Ramadan.

There are now some reports. One in a Lincoln paper and one in a Melton Mowbray one. Not as in depth as a boxing fan would like and seems more to appease local interests.

[Boxing Prospect]

What is an "unofficial" commission?

[damianhucker1]

I touched upon this in another post but rightly its not been commented on as it would be off subject, in here its not though.

The Austrian boxing federation had a show in Germany at the weekend that had British boxers on.

If you go by the same principles applied elsewhere then thats a breach of EBU rules isnt it ???

Also if the same rules were applied that are given to MBC then Austria should now be excluded from the EBU, their shows not listed on boxrec, along with fines and suspensions for Anthony Ogogo and Charlie Edwards along with them being removed from their national boxrec rankings

This what us MBC/Biba license holders find so frustrating... One rule for us and another for everyone else.

You cant victimise MBC for something that is allowed to happen elsewhere.. clear as possible sign that its simply bbbofc dont want someone else on their patch and nothing more than that, with boxrec in their pockets too.


Can ANYONE possible explain how that show differs to anything MBC are doing. There wasnt a single Austrian on the show either.

Id actually like someone from boxrec to comment on what the difference is tbh... i suspect the only difference is that bbbofc remunerate them for their effort

[questionmore]

I touched upon this in another post but rightly its not been commented on as it would be off subject, in here its not though.

The Austrian boxing federation had a show in Germany at the weekend that had British boxers on.

If you go by the same principles applied elsewhere then thats a breach of EBU rules isnt it ???

Also if the same rules were applied that are given to MBC then Austria should now be excluded from the EBU, their shows not listed on boxrec, along with fines and suspensions for Anthony Ogogo and Charlie Edwards along with them being removed from their national boxrec rankings

This what us MBC/Biba license holders find so frustrating... One rule for us and another for everyone else.

You cant victimise MBC for something that is allowed to happen elsewhere.. clear as possible sign that its simply bbbofc dont want someone else on their patch and nothing more than that, with boxrec in their pockets too.


Can ANYONE possible explain how that show differs to anything MBC are doing. There wasnt a single Austrian on the show either.

Id actually like someone from boxrec to comment on what the difference is tbh... i suspect the only difference is that bbbofc remunerate them for their effort

looking from the outside in I think the threat of legal court action against the BBBofC & BoxRec is a key factor in them cutting ties with MBC/BIBA. If someone threatened legal action against you you'd probably do the same - I know I would.

If the action turns out to be an idle threat then its a heavy price to pay for yourself, other promoters & boxers involved as previously you were in a favourable position. And if the action turns out to be real then the outcome will be interesting.

[Boxing Prospect]

I touched upon this in another post but rightly its not been commented on as it would be off subject, in here its not though.

The Austrian boxing federation had a show in Germany at the weekend that had British boxers on.

If you go by the same principles applied elsewhere then thats a breach of EBU rules isnt it ???

Also if the same rules were applied that are given to MBC then Austria should now be excluded from the EBU, their shows not listed on boxrec, along with fines and suspensions for Anthony Ogogo and Charlie Edwards along with them being removed from their national boxrec rankings

This what us MBC/Biba license holders find so frustrating... One rule for us and another for everyone else.

You cant victimise MBC for something that is allowed to happen elsewhere.. clear as possible sign that its simply bbbofc dont want someone else on their patch and nothing more than that, with boxrec in their pockets too.


Can ANYONE possible explain how that show differs to anything MBC are doing. There wasnt a single Austrian on the show either.

Id actually like someone from boxrec to comment on what the difference is tbh... i suspect the only difference is that bbbofc remunerate them for their effort

looking from the outside in I think the threat of legal court action against the BBBofC & BoxRec is a key factor in them cutting ties with MBC/BIBA. If someone threatened legal action against you you'd probably do the same - I know I would.

If it action turns out to be an idle threat then its a heavy price to pay for yourself, other promoters & boxers involved as previously you were in a favourable position. And if the action turns out to be real then the outcome will be interesting.

Surely if someone threatens legal action both sides start to act like adults and sort out their issues, rather than making any situation worse?

[questionmore]

I touched upon this in another post but rightly its not been commented on as it would be off subject, in here its not though.

The Austrian boxing federation had a show in Germany at the weekend that had British boxers on.

If you go by the same principles applied elsewhere then thats a breach of EBU rules isnt it ???

Also if the same rules were applied that are given to MBC then Austria should now be excluded from the EBU, their shows not listed on boxrec, along with fines and suspensions for Anthony Ogogo and Charlie Edwards along with them being removed from their national boxrec rankings

This what us MBC/Biba license holders find so frustrating... One rule for us and another for everyone else.

You cant victimise MBC for something that is allowed to happen elsewhere.. clear as possible sign that its simply bbbofc dont want someone else on their patch and nothing more than that, with boxrec in their pockets too.


Can ANYONE possible explain how that show differs to anything MBC are doing. There wasnt a single Austrian on the show either.

Id actually like someone from boxrec to comment on what the difference is tbh... i suspect the only difference is that bbbofc remunerate them for their effort

looking from the outside in I think the threat of legal court action against the BBBofC & BoxRec is a key factor in them cutting ties with MBC/BIBA. If someone threatened legal action against you you'd probably do the same - I know I would.

If it action turns out to be an idle threat then its a heavy price to pay for yourself, other promoters & boxers involved as previously you were in a favourable position. And if the action turns out to be real then the outcome will be interesting.

Surely if someone threatens legal action both sides start to act like adults and sort out their issues, rather than making any situation worse?

I'm not privy to any facts but the action is threatened by the same side in both cases. There's been no public reaction from the BBBofC or BoxRec
so either they've been served no papers or they're fully prepared.
The only thing I do know this has dragged on for ages and is looking more like hot air as time goes by and makes even more sense why BBBofC/BoxRec haven't responded & cut ties.

[cocobongo]

It said in the sticky threat it was pending an EBU meeting in June can anyone shed any light if anything happened with that?

[bripez]

I touched upon this in another post but rightly its not been commented on as it would be off subject, in here its not though.

The Austrian boxing federation had a show in Germany at the weekend that had British boxers on.

If you go by the same principles applied elsewhere then thats a breach of EBU rules isnt it ???

Also if the same rules were applied that are given to MBC then Austria should now be excluded from the EBU, their shows not listed on boxrec, along with fines and suspensions for Anthony Ogogo and Charlie Edwards along with them being removed from their national boxrec rankings

This what us MBC/Biba license holders find so frustrating... One rule for us and another for everyone else.

You cant victimise MBC for something that is allowed to happen elsewhere.. clear as possible sign that its simply bbbofc dont want someone else on their patch and nothing more than that, with boxrec in their pockets too.


Can ANYONE possible explain how that show differs to anything MBC are doing. There wasnt a single Austrian on the show either.

Id actually like someone from boxrec to comment on what the difference is tbh... i suspect the only difference is that bbbofc remunerate them for their effort

looking from the outside in I think the threat of legal court action against the BBBofC & BoxRec is a key factor in them cutting ties with MBC/BIBA. If someone threatened legal action against you you'd probably do the same - I know I would.

If the action turns out to be an idle threat then its a heavy price to pay for yourself, other promoters & boxers involved as previously you were in a favourable position. And if the action turns out to be real then the outcome will be interesting.

Chicken and egg - the actions of the Board came before the actions of MBC/BIBA.

From what I understand, the MBC/BIBA had no option but to threaten legal action due to the actions of the Board - I am not sure what else they could do ?

Whether you like the MBC/BIBA or not, I cannot believe that there is a reasonable person anywhere who would not find the situation as described by Damien as being completely unreasonable by the Board.

[questionmore]

From what I understand, the MBC/BIBA had no option but to threaten legal action due to the actions of the Board - I am not sure what else they could do ?

Whether you like the MBC/BIBA or not, I cannot believe that there is a reasonable person anywhere who would not find the situation as described by Damien as being completely unreasonable by the Board.

The only thing for sure is it is what it is. And I cant see it changing.

[bripez]

From what I understand, the MBC/BIBA had no option but to threaten legal action due to the actions of the Board - I am not sure what else they could do ?

Whether you like the MBC/BIBA or not, I cannot believe that there is a reasonable person anywhere who would not find the situation as described by Damien as being completely unreasonable by the Board.

The only thing for sure is it is what it is. And I cant see it changing.

I would disagree.

The "Board" are (or should be) answerable to their members ?

Surely the boxers/trainers/promoters etc. should be asking :

What is the decision making process within the Board ?
How are decisions made and who makes them ?
On what basis are the decisions made - are they transparent ?
Are the members (boxers, trainers, promoters etc.) asked their opinions ? - if not then why not ?

The problem is that boxing is a very individual sport and people understandably look after their own personal self interests (which is why the boxers union did not take off) and for most their power as an individual is very limited. Most are also understandably concerned about rocking the boat.

[Tommy Gunn13]

How come Jody Miekle beating a 50 plus yr old was added? And the bloke hadn't fought since 1987 if my memory is correct...

[damianhucker1]

How come Jody Miekle beating a 50 plus yr old was added? And the bloke hadn't fought since 1987 if my memory is correct...

Because it was a pro fight, but theyve stopped adding the bouts since april.

That fight was purely a one off, to break Guinness world record, no different to the flintoff fight.

although, he only hadnt boxed pro for a long time.. he had been boxing unlicensed at least once per year prior to that fight.

Kind of off the point though


Surely the site admin are reading.. so whos gonna answer the question ? why are austria allowed to put shows on in germany with british boxers on, but its seen as a big no no if mbc/biba do the same...?

[questionmore]

The only thing for sure is it is what it is. And I cant see it changing.

I would disagree.

The "Board" are (or should be) answerable to their members ?

Surely the boxers/trainers/promoters etc. should be asking :

What is the decision making process within the Board ?
How are decisions made and who makes them ?
On what basis are the decisions made - are they transparent ?
Are the members (boxers, trainers, promoters etc.) asked their opinions ? - if not then why not ?

The problem is that boxing is a very individual sport and people understandably look after their own personal self interests (which is why the boxers union did not take off) and for most their power as an individual is very limited. Most are also understandably concerned about rocking the boat.

Are you a member of the BBBofC ? If you are their are procedures in place to let your voice be heard.
But if you or any other members of the BBBofC are voicing your opinions to them on their stance, on another UK based (as they see it) unlicensed body who have threatened court action against them. Then I wouldn't expect you/them to find a sympathetic ear.

If you drive down a one way street only to find it's a dead end. How long would you wait justifying the signs you read state road ahead should be open before you turn around and find another valid route - its a fitting Analogy for all boxers promoters trainers etc ... because as I said before:

The only thing for sure is it is what it is. And I cant see it changing.

[questionmore]

Surely if someone threatens legal action both sides start to act like adults and sort out their issues, rather than making any situation worse?

I see last week that Gianluca Di Caro posted on Facebook that his lawyers have sent a LBA (Letter Before Action) to BoxRec and that court action would be taken after 7 days.
Putting stuff like this on Facebook is guaranteed to do only one thing - and that's making any situation worse.

[damianhucker1]

Surely if someone threatens legal action both sides start to act like adults and sort out their issues, rather than making any situation worse?

I see last week that Gianluca Di Caro posted on Facebook that his lawyers have sent a LBA (Letter Before Action) to BoxRec and that court action would be taken after 7 days.
Putting stuff like this on Facebook is guaranteed to do only one thing - and that's making any situation worse.

If someone was to punch you in the face are you one of those saddos who says you should just walk away and ignore it ?

Or would you fight back, either physically or legally ?

Rio has invested a lot of time and money into MBC and BIBA to just stand and watch while people try to undermine it.

He tried to send emails directly to boxrec to discuss the situation, which he posted the screenshots of on facebook, and had no response.
What else is he expected to do, how can he make it worse.. boxrec already arent acknowledging him.. maybe theyll listen when courts are involved.
Im not saying he will win, as i dont know the ins and outs, but i dont see how he has any other option available if he wants the bouts to be listed on boxrec.
My own opinion is boxrec is just a meaningless website, that has lost credibility in all this by proving its not unbiased... i carry on regardless of what boxrec are doing... but i do see his reasons... easier to gain sponsorship for fighters etc by being on boxrec, as some will say its not pro boxing if its not on boxrec, which is bollocks but hey...so as things stand, boxrec are costing people money, hes every right to feel agrieved.

I myself missed out on a couple of lads due to it not being on boxrec, and had 1 who i signed contracts with and paid medical and MRI etc and he then wouldnt box because its not on boxrec, but was when he signed. so i could argue boxrec have cost me money too.

[questionmore]

If someone punched me in the face it could be because I provoked a situation and/or found myself in a fight. So I may well not fight back if I think I might have deserved it or better defend myself and fight.
But I wouldn't tell everybody im gonna do this & do that & do nothing.

BoxRec have no issues with you - They have them with Gianluca.
Gianluca (aka MBC/BIBA) is one person but there's a whole world of boxing out there. If you choose to stand by him to the seemingly detriment of the boxers you manage/train and suffer the obvious consequences then that's your freedom of choice.

[damianhucker1]

If someone punched me in the face it could be because I provoked a situation and/or found myself in a fight. So I may well not fight back if I think I might have deserved it or better defend myself and fight.
But I wouldn't tell everybody im gonna do this & do that & do nothing.

BoxRec have no issues with you - They have them with Gianluca.
Gianluca (aka MBC/BIBA) is one person but there's a whole world of boxing out there. If you choose to stand by him to the seemingly detriment of the boxers you manage/train and suffer the obvious consequences then that's your freedom of choice.

Personal vendettas have no place in sport.

Cant be arsed with going over the same old crap, im not gonna bother with a sensible reply if anything valid stated is just ignored by BBBofC nuthuggers.

[questionmore]

Vendetta ?... BBBofC ?

I thought we was talking about BoxRec (Unofficial Commissions) & the adverse effect of not listing your fighters. But you seem to have gone off on a tangent - oh well.
I can only wish you & your fighters luck in not waiting too long for this court action to materialise.

[cocobongo]

I've asked about 3 times boxrec aren't covering themselves in glory they said it was pending an ebu meeting in June why they stopped listing Mbc and other commissions events but it's August next week and they haven't posted a reason why or the result of that meeting

[Cazelo]

I've asked about 3 times boxrec aren't covering themselves in glory they said it was pending an ebu meeting in June why they stopped listing Mbc and other commissions events but it's August next week and they haven't posted a reason why or the result of that meeting

Agreed. A simple statement so people know where they stand is all that's needed

[The Law]

Surely if someone threatens legal action both sides start to act like adults and sort out their issues, rather than making any situation worse?

I see last week that Gianluca Di Caro posted on Facebook that his lawyers have sent a LBA (Letter Before Action) to BoxRec and that court action would be taken after 7 days.
Putting stuff like this on Facebook is guaranteed to do only one thing - and that's making any situation worse.

I would love to see on what grounds he is taking legal action against an unofficial ratings website .....

[bripez]

Surely if someone threatens legal action both sides start to act like adults and sort out their issues, rather than making any situation worse?

I see last week that Gianluca Di Caro posted on Facebook that his lawyers have sent a LBA (Letter Before Action) to BoxRec and that court action would be taken after 7 days.
Putting stuff like this on Facebook is guaranteed to do only one thing - and that's making any situation worse.

I would love to see on what grounds he is taking legal action against an unofficial ratings website .....

For an unofficial website they/you appear reluctant to make a statement with regards to your policy on this issue - it is clear you have a policy so why not just say what it is instead of making childish comments?

[questionmore]

Boxer, Promoter, BoxRec, Curious Onlooker etc etc. There's only one question that needs to be asked? There's only one question that needs to be answered ... and that's 'WHEN IS THE COURT DATE ?'
No matter what side of the fence you're on. It's the key factor - a lot of people's careers/dreams/aspirations/finances ride on it.

[The Law]

Boxer, Promoter, BoxRec, Curious Onlooker etc etc. There's only one question that needs to be asked? There's only one question that needs to be answered ... and that's 'WHEN IS THE COURT DATE ?'
No matter what side of the fence you're on. It's the key factor - a lot of people's careers/dreams/aspirations/finances ride on it.

Don't hold your breath ....