Floyd Patterson vrs Wilt Chamberlain (1959)

[Kalan]

Wait a minute Kalan.....

are you getting confused? Wasn't that the "Manhattan Project"?

You're confused little boy. The Manhattan Project was about winning WWII

This was merely about winning the Heavyweight Championship of the World -- a more minor undertaking in the world of sports - not the real world.

A difference in urgency and funding - wouldn't you say??? ... The 2nd scenario required Ali's signature to get underway.. The 1st the President's signature

[BoxBuzz]

Wait a minute Kalan.....

are you getting confused? Wasn't that the "Manhattan Project"?

You're confused little boy. The Manhattan Project was about winning WWII

This was merely about winning the Heavyweight Championship of the World -- a more minor undertaking in the world of sports - not the real world.

A difference in urgency and funding - wouldn't you say??? ... The 2nd scenario required Ali's signature to get underway.. The 1st the President's signature

Whimsy is often equated with youthful vigor....so I'll take that as a compliment.
Let me give you some advice, Don't let your earnest nature age you too quickly.
You may well be a vibrant young 70 year old, but you often take on the persona of the 90+ senior with intermittent sensibility.

I seem to find myself agreeing with you about 27% of the time. So you may want to reconsider at least that portion of your opinions. This based on your low opinion of me.

And that you have set the record straight that this topic is not all that serious, is a sign of flickering lucidity. Kudos to you.

[Kalan]

A fight is not as serious as a World War... But it's deadly serious to the fighters involved.

Believe me when I say getting a fight means life and death to them... However people get their dreams crushed every day as Wilt did when Ali wouldn't sign

[Kalan]

But he had other dreams and lived a lot of them... But this one would have been the icing on the cake.

[BoxBuzz]

But he had other dreams and lived a lot of them... But this one would have been the icing on the cake.

Kalan it is my strongly held opinion that if those two would have tangled, Wilt Chamberlain, and his dream of obtaining the HW championships would be the only "cake" that would have been "iced".

Judges would not be needed.

[Kalan]

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BuzzBox... That's because you don't know anything about boxing and you're not trying to learn.. Ali was a good fighter, but won most of his fights because he was the bigger, stronger, faster, better athlete who had rangier arms -- not because he was more skillful... The times he was beaten was by opponents who could absorb his shots and beat a hole through his leaky defense like Frazier and Norton did -- or just box him to death like Larry Holmes did, because he was just as big, tall, and long limbed as Ali, but much more skilled.

What Chambelain would do is jab him to death with ease and lay right hands him as easy as pie, like this one, because Wilt was extremely fast and powerful.

[gp.]

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BuzzBox... That's because you don't know anything about boxing and you're not trying to learn.. Ali was a good fighter, but won most of his fights because he was the bigger, stronger, faster, better athlete who had rangier arms -- not because he was more skillful... The times he was beaten was by opponents who could absorb his shots and beat a hole through his leaky defense like Frazier and Norton did -- or just box him to death like Larry Holmes did, because he was just as big, tall, and long limbed as Ali, but much more skilled.

What Chambelain would do is jab him to death with ease and lay right hands him as easy as pie, like this one, because Wilt was extremely fast and powerful.

You do actually realise that that photo was posed, right?

Tell us again just why you know Wilt Chamberlain would absorb Ali's shots (or anybody's shots), bearing in mind that being roughed up a bit on a basketball court in no way equates to professional boxing.

I've never boxed. I've played rugby for 30 years. I'm not stupid enough to think that the physical demands of the one are anything like the physical demands of the other.

[gp.]

But 6 months.. Wilt Chamberlain's work ethic.. Great technical trainers like Cus D'Amato, Eddie Futch, George Benton, Charley Burley, Archie Moore, and other folks who wanted to help Wilt get up to speed.. It's amazing the number of trainers who wanted to help Chamberlain as soon as he opened his 6 mos. training camp.

It's hardly amazing that a lot of people who made their living training people in boxing wanted to get involved in training a guy with a lot of money.

[Kalan]

But 6 months.. Wilt Chamberlain's work ethic.. Great technical trainers like Cus D'Amato, Eddie Futch, George Benton, Charley Burley, Archie Moore, and other folks who wanted to help Wilt get up to speed.. It's amazing the number of trainers who wanted to help Chamberlain as soon as he opened his 6 mos. training camp.

It's hardly amazing that a lot of people who made their living training people in boxing wanted to get involved in training a guy with a lot of money.

It wasn't the money... It was the opportunity to be involved in an event like this.. If Ali signed the contract, the publicity leading up to the fight would have been mind blowing indeed.. There was speculation about the fight and it was already big.. If it were a signed and sealed fight it would explode.

[gp.]

But 6 months.. Wilt Chamberlain's work ethic.. Great technical trainers like Cus D'Amato, Eddie Futch, George Benton, Charley Burley, Archie Moore, and other folks who wanted to help Wilt get up to speed.. It's amazing the number of trainers who wanted to help Chamberlain as soon as he opened his 6 mos. training camp.

It's hardly amazing that a lot of people who made their living training people in boxing wanted to get involved in training a guy with a lot of money.

It wasn't the money... It was the opportunity to be involved in an event like this.. If Ali signed the contract, the publicity leading up to the fight would have been mind blowing indeed.. There was speculation about the fight and it was already big.. If it were a signed and sealed fight it would explode.

How do you know it wasn't the money?

[Kalan]

When you already have a lot of money it plays a smaller part... You go for projects that are super fun, exciting, and grab headlines and news shows

[gp.]

When you already have a lot of money it plays a smaller part... You go for projects that are super fun, exciting, and grab headlines and news shows

So you mean, you don't have any idea.

[Caractacus]

Hey man, this thread is the FLOYD PATTERSON vrs Wilt Chamberlain thread.
why dont you just transfer for it all over to there ?

[Caractacus]

Did you know at 7 ft 1" and one-sixteenth inch tall Wilt Chamberlain had a 30 inch waist ?

[BoxBuzz]

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BuzzBox... That's because you don't know anything about boxing and you're not trying to learn.. .

Well, ok then. I guess I should thank you for hangin' in there with me, and takin' this ol' coot on as a student.

You are probably among only a handful of people who consistently call everyone who disagrees with you, somehow lacking in intelligence.

Now, in my case you may be right. I've been called worse I suppose. But there are so many others here, with gifted intellects , surely someone who disagrees with you just MAY have at least one active surviving neuron bouncing around in their grey matter? Maybe just maybe you are not the only smart feller in the room? So, it's my suspicion, that anyone who is always calling everyone else "dumb", just might be over reactive, or perhaps over compensating for their internal doubts.

But I'll remain open minded, especially about my own lack of genius. But I'm growing ever more concerned that "you keep using those words....and I'm not sure you know what those words mean.

[Kalan]

This is the kind of meanderings you always spout off BuzzBox... a bunch of meaningless tripe that has nothing to do with Boxing... And I've seen a few intelligent people there like BroughtonRulesRefuge, Homicide Henery, Yancey, and Caractacus... You should emulate them.

[gp.]

This is the kind of meanderings you always spout off BuzzBox... a bunch of meaningless tripe that has nothing to do with Boxing... And I've seen a few intelligent people there like BroughtonRulesRefuge, Homicide Henery, Yancey, and Caractacus... You should emulate them.

It amuses me that you would claim this, again, just after one of your paragons of thought and philosophy said, and I quote:

"Hey man, this thread is the FLOYD PATTERSON vrs Wilt Chamberlain thread.
why dont you just transfer for it all over to there ?"

[Caractacus]

On the other hand, Wilt Chamberlain probably would have knocked Floyd Patterson wobbly and then out with the first really good stiff jab he would throw that lands anywhere near his chin (and he would probably would have thrown a lot).
Then Wilt Chamberlain throws an uppercut.
How would Floyd Patterson get out of the way of one of them ?

[Kalan]

Like I've been saying all along... Boxing isn't rocket science. A good technical fighter like Gene Tunney will beat a raw swinger the same size who's been off for 3 years boozing and chasing women on a world tour. On the other hand Dempsey's raw strength, toughness, and savagery at the peak of his youth was enough to clean out the Carl Morris's, Fred Fulton's, and Bill Brennan's of the world and hold the Heavyweight Championship for 7 years. Chamberlain's height, size, strength, speed, toughness, smarts, super long arms and legs, plus his quickness and raw athleticism are things that don't come along every century.

Patterson had more amateur and pro experience than Sonny Liston and had been on top of the game for several years... Still, he couldn't cope with Liston's size, strength, and power advantages in the least way... It was an impossible fight for him.. You can deal with a physical edge. If a guy is 25% stronger than you -- you can deal with it if you have greater skills and experience... But if a guy is twice as strong as you??? Forget it. That man is going to crush you if he any training and mastery at all at what he's doing.. And with the right training and coaching regimen he can easily get that going in 6 mos.

[gilgamesh]

Like I've been saying all along... Boxing isn't rocket science. A good technical fighter like Gene Tunney will beat a raw swinger the same size who's been off for 3 years boozing and chasing women on a world tour. On the other hand Dempsey's raw strength, toughness, and savagery at the peak of his youth was enough to clean out the Carl Morris's, Fred Fulton's, and Bill Brennan's of the world and hold the Heavyweight Championship for 7 years. Chamberlain's height, size, strength, speed, toughness, smarts, super long arms and legs, plus his quickness and raw athleticism are things that don't come along every century.

Patterson had more amateur and pro experience than Sonny Liston and had been on top of the game for several years... Still, he couldn't cope with Liston's size, strength, and power advantages in the least way... It was an impossible fight for him.. You can deal with a physical edge. If a guy is 25% stronger than you -- you can deal with it if you have greater skills and experience... But if a guy is twice as strong as you??? Forget it. That man is going to crush you if he any training and mastery at all at what he's doing.. And with the right training and coaching regimen he can easily get that going in 6 mos.

Sonny Liston had years of experience. Not 6 months.

Wilt Chamberlain doesn't beat any Top 10 ranked Boxer that ever lived in any era. He wasn't a Boxer.

I feel like I need to send you a disc that just repeats for 80 minutes straight. "Wilt Chamberlain wasn't a Boxer....Wilt Chamberlain wasn't a Boxer...Wilt Chamberlain wasn't a Boxer...Wilt Chamberlain wasn't a Boxer...Wilt Chamberlain wasn't a boxer"....maybe it'll find sink in for ya after a couple of days.

[BoxBuzz]

And with the right training and coaching regimen he can easily get that going in 6 mos.

You are saying that folks can become competent boxers in 6 months....


If I tell you that this is 100% goofy.....would you once again attack me for "not talking about boxing"?

holding your feet to the fire for credibility does have impact on what some may imagine about boxing....

I mean if you were the only source of information available to the readers of this forum, they would be sadly misinformed.

So just be patient as I "moderate" your contributions...with some reflective reasoning.


Your comment about me "not staying on the boxing topic" is similar to if you yelled "fire" in a theatre.....and I happened to mention to that same audience that I know that your report is not factual and everyone can sit down and enjoy the movie, ....and then you turning around and scolding me by saying..."don't change the subject".

[BoxBuzz]

Kalan......you never commented on "Big Will's Gym" info....


was that not about boxing? Or is that young turk beneath your lot in life to comment upon?

[Kalan]

And with the right training and coaching regimen he can easily get that going in 6 mos.

You are saying that folks can become competent boxers in 6 months....


If I tell you that this is 100% goofy.....would you once again attack me for "not talking about boxing"?

holding your feet to the fire for credibility does have impact on what some may imagine about boxing....

I mean if you were the only source of information available to the readers of this forum, they would be sadly misinformed.

So just be patient as I "moderate" your contributions...with some reflective reasoning.


Your comment about me "not staying on the boxing topic" is similar to if you yelled "fire" in a theatre.....and I happened to mention to that same audience that I know that your report is not factual and everyone can sit down and enjoy the movie, ....and then you turning around and scolding me by saying..."don't change the subject".

Again YOU didn't say anything about Boxing again... Can ANYBODY learn who to box in 6 months??? Possibly YOU couldn't have learned how to box from age 15 going 8 hours a day for 20 years.. If you have ZERO talent at something you're not going to learn it PERIOD!!! ... If you have the world's greatest athletic talent for the sport of Boxing -- i.e. fabulous height, weight, reach, great foot speed, great hand speed, fabulous hand-eye-coordination, brutal physical strength, superior intelligence, great vision, unbelievable endurance, and about 20 other great assets you need to be a great boxer -- you can pick it up 10 X faster than the average prospect... Have you even heard of somebody ripping through 4 years of college in 1 year???

BTW... Where was Wladimir Klitschko after 200 amateur and 43 professional fights??? He was screwed so far as his knowledge of some of the basics... Where is Anthony Joshua after 43 amateur and 17 professional fights??? He has more of the program locked down... Everyone doesn't learn at the same speed and Wlad needed a really great trainer.. He still can't throw a left hook to the body that's worth a damn.

Now talk Boxing.. not your inane psycho-babble.

[BoxBuzz]

I'll certain consider your request to talk boxing.

But when I posted this.....you didn't even bother to belittle it.

So.....here ya go.......whaddya think of his opinion that for a shorter boxer, there is hope for success?

Jeff does not have to submit to Mutt in every face off.

Or does he?

[BoxBuzz]

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Jeff is victorious......As Floyd might be with Wilt.

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