Unliscenced boxing question....

Wales · Post by **Wales** » 22 Feb 2006, 05:24

Couple of questions regarding the unliscenced boxing scene that some of you may or may not be able to answer. Any help would be very gratefuly received.

1) Should I (for example) enter an unliscenced boxing ring without signing any forms and injure someone / get injured where do I / other person stand legally and insurance wise?
If that person said "hang on i thought this was for untrained (or semi pro) fighters but it turns out he's a former pro boxer Im suing him / going to the police" what happens.

Does anyone know ?

Phenomenal-Nutrition · Post by **Phenomenal-Nutrition** » 22 Feb 2006, 07:29

If its unlicenced surely you won't have any legal/insurance rights as its an illegal fight. Pro/Semi Pro - it doesn't matter if you lie its the underworld. Its like a drug dealer going to the police because his supplier gave him 4lbs of Crack instead of the agreed upon 5lbs

tonyevs · Post by **tonyevs** » 22 Feb 2006, 08:07

Phenomenal-Nutrition wrote:If its unlicenced surely you won't have any legal/insurance rights as its an illegal fight. Pro/Semi Pro - it doesn't matter if you lie its the underworld. Its like a drug dealer going to the police because his supplier gave him 4lbs of Crack instead of the agreed upon 5lbs

Unlicensed boxing is just not official with the BBBC, these celebrity boxing and white collar boxing are, as far as I know, no more legit than early Fwank Warren shows.

You may not be insured with the BBBC but you will not face legal prosecution any more than a licensed show if you were to injure somebody.

boxingchat · Post by **boxingchat** » 22 Feb 2006, 08:10

Phenomenal-Nutrition wrote:If its unlicenced surely you won't have any legal/insurance rights as its an illegal fight. Pro/Semi Pro - it doesn't matter if you lie its the underworld. Its like a drug dealer going to the police because his supplier gave him 4lbs of Crack instead of the agreed upon 5lbs

Stupid comment.

Unlicensed boxing is no more illegal than 'licenced Boxing.

The Board are a self appointed body who administer and put safety provsions and insurance in place. They are NOT government backed in any way.

The unlicensed scene from a legal standpoint is exactly the same. You go in to both with your eyes open.

tonyevs · Post by **tonyevs** » 22 Feb 2006, 08:11

Wales wrote: If that person said "hang on i thought this was for untrained (or semi pro) fighters but it turns out he's a former pro boxer Im suing him / going to the police" what happens.

Guess they will just say you should have been more carefull in your match making

how many times as similar happened in amateur boxing..when a raw novice gets chucked in with an experienced boxer fighting with a new card.

Wales · Post by **Wales** » 22 Feb 2006, 09:18

so the general consensus is there is no insurance or legal implications if I (for example) were to give someone a hiding in an unliscenced boxing match.

Loftgroov · Post by **Loftgroov** » 22 Feb 2006, 10:09

Unless I’m misinterpreting things, there does sound like a fine line between an unlicensed boxing match and a streetfight. What exactly is the difference? Whilst the former may be setup as a “boxing match”, surely the fact it isn’t licensed suggests there is all the scope in the world for it to descend into something else.

Hardhitters11 · Post by **Hardhitters11** » 22 Feb 2006, 11:38

Phenomenal-Nutrition · Post by **Phenomenal-Nutrition** » 22 Feb 2006, 12:03

boxingchat wrote:
Phenomenal-Nutrition wrote:If its unlicenced surely you won't have any legal/insurance rights as its an illegal fight. Pro/Semi Pro - it doesn't matter if you lie its the underworld. Its like a drug dealer going to the police because his supplier gave him 4lbs of Crack instead of the agreed upon 5lbs

Stupid comment.

Unlicensed boxing is no more illegal than 'licenced Boxing.

The Board are a self appointed body who administer and put safety provsions and insurance in place. They are NOT government backed in any way.

The unlicensed scene from a legal standpoint is exactly the same. You go in to both with your eyes open.

So what makes a fight legal? Is 2 Parties agreeing sufficient - surely there needs to be insurance and contracts.

Didn't the police stop celebrity boxing?

nickd · Post by **nickd** » 22 Feb 2006, 12:04

A lot of unlicensed shows are just like normal boxing shows, they're just not sanctioned by the BBBoC.

Wales · Post by **Wales** » 22 Feb 2006, 12:08

No, form memory FW had something to do with it, ruling is nobody over a certain age can fight amateur, both gervais and bovey were over the age limit and i think thats where somebody interviened in the celeb boxing. The celeb boxing still goes on (was rhino michael carrol the latest one? followed by a celeb womens boxing???), as does unliscenced and failry openly. As long as the fire regs etc.. are met in the venue and both parties are willing there is nothing illegal about the staging of it.

A friend of mine will be fighting, his missus is worried about insurance complications if he were to get hurt or if the other guy (more likely as this friend has a fairly solid pro record) were to be hurt and attempt to sue or press legal charges. The worrying thing is it appears to be a bit of a tin pot set up and Im not so sure if some of the guys should be fighting some of the other guys. Serious mis matches in my opinion (just my opinion). Big difference between being a bit of a lad after a few beers and putting gloves on.

Hardhitters11 · Post by **Hardhitters11** » 22 Feb 2006, 13:31

My pal beat Julius Francis and Danny Williams in the unpaid ranks.

HH

Wales · Post by **Wales** » 22 Feb 2006, 14:31

was that amateur boxing or unliscenced boxing ?

jonny · Post by **jonny** » 22 Feb 2006, 14:59

Wales wrote:No, form memory FW had something to do with it, ruling is nobody over a certain age can fight amateur, both gervais and bovey were over the age limit and i think thats where somebody interviened in the celeb boxing. The celeb boxing still goes on (was rhino michael carrol the latest one? followed by a celeb womens boxing???), as does unliscenced and failry openly. As long as the fire regs etc.. are met in the venue and both parties are willing there is nothing illegal about the staging of it.

A friend of mine will be fighting, his missus is worried about insurance complications if he were to get hurt or if the other guy (more likely as this friend has a fairly solid pro record) were to be hurt and attempt to sue or press legal charges. The worrying thing is it appears to be a bit of a tin pot set up and Im not so sure if some of the guys should be fighting some of the other guys. Serious mis matches in my opinion (just my opinion). Big difference between being a bit of a lad after a few beers and putting gloves on.

Where is the fight taking place, never been to any of these shows.

Hardhitters11 · Post by **Hardhitters11** » 23 Feb 2006, 08:47

Wales wrote:was that amateur boxing or unliscenced boxing ?

Unlicensed as far as I know mate.

HH

Loftgroov · Post by **Loftgroov** » 23 Feb 2006, 08:55

Hardhitters11 wrote:My pal beat Julius Francis and Danny Williams in the unpaid ranks.

HH

So he wasn't anything special then?

Hardhitters11 · Post by **Hardhitters11** » 23 Feb 2006, 09:40

Actually he could have been British Champ easily if he hadnt preferred a beer and pussy to much....

A very Hard man on the streets though...

HH

Phenomenal-Nutrition · Post by **Phenomenal-Nutrition** » 23 Feb 2006, 09:43

Hardhitters11 wrote:

Actually he could have been British Champ easily if he hadnt preferred a beer and pussy to much....

A very Hard man on the streets though...

HH

If he liked pussy so much he could of gone after Audrey

Thats amazing mate I've never heard a story of a hardman who could of been British HW Champ if he wasn't a lazy bastard before.

Hardhitters11 · Post by **Hardhitters11** » 23 Feb 2006, 09:44

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 23 Feb 2006, 09:54

Wales wrote:so the general consensus is there is no insurance or legal implications if I (for example) were to give someone a hiding in an unliscenced boxing match.

No none.

I think that for an unlicenced event to be legit though, there has to be medical staff at the ready, but that is an issue for the promoter, not the fighters.

Wales · Post by **Wales** » 24 Feb 2006, 14:52

cheers for the comments, i'll pass it on.

event is looking like being held in a hotel in North Wales. There are shows of this kind on all the time, i know of some in London and a mate of a mate is fighting in blackpool soon, actualy a father and son are both fighting (not against each other).

http://www.boxrec.com/boxer_display.php?boxer_id=25420

Could well be fighting

jonny · Post by **jonny** » 25 Feb 2006, 04:31

Wales wrote:cheers for the comments, i'll pass it on.

event is looking like being held in a hotel in North Wales. There are shows of this kind on all the time, i know of some in London and a mate of a mate is fighting in blackpool soon, actualy a father and son are both fighting (not against each other).

http://www.boxrec.com/boxer_display.php?boxer_id=25420

Could well be fighting

Where and when in Blackpool mate, might take a look

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