If Frampton Wins....

[Supremo]

If you're Irish you have an Irish passport. I'm pretty sure Frampton will be travelling out to American on the same passport as me and 95% of the rest of the folk on this forum. I seriously doubt he would ever refer to himself as "Irish" either.

He did refer to himself as "Irish" recently in an interview in New York. He was talking about the support he received from the "Irish fans, supporting their own Irish fighters".

Now, that's not as blunt as saying I am Irish. But isn't it pretty much an admission of the same thing? It's in one of these interviews anyway:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DyurkjcsP08
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fXC8ZV--sBk

That's not being pedantic, it's called being accurate and correcting ignorance.

The Good Friday Agreement has given everyone of the North the right to a dual identity. We can call ourselves "British", "Irish" or "Northern Irish". This is a very heated topic over in our neck of the woods. Shall we just leave it off a boxing forum.

I'm well aware of the Belfast agreement and passport eligibility but I'd doubt there are many folk from tigers bay claiming dual nationality...

[Supremo]

He is irish born in belfast northern.....wait for it heres the biggest clue u gonna get that he is irish......IRELAND.
Stop being padantic

Why havent u answered my question from yestserday?

If you're Irish you have an Irish passport. I'm pretty sure Frampton will be travelling out to American on the same passport as me and 95% of the rest of the folk on this forum. I seriously doubt he would ever refer to himself as "Irish" either. That's not being pedantic, it's called being accurate and correcting ignorance.

I think it is you and supremo who is being ignorant to his nationality,he is irish,u ask a scot if they class themselves as british or scottish same with welsh,frampton irish plain and simple u can tell by his accent

I'm a Scot and I'm definetly British and proud to be so.

[TheGman]

If you're Irish you have an Irish passport. I'm pretty sure Frampton will be travelling out to American on the same passport as me and 95% of the rest of the folk on this forum. I seriously doubt he would ever refer to himself as "Irish" either. That's not being pedantic, it's called being accurate and correcting ignorance.

I think it is you and supremo who is being ignorant to his nationality,he is irish,u ask a scot if they class themselves as british or scottish same with welsh,frampton irish plain and simple u can tell by his accent

I'm Scottish/British and proud of both. Why does it matter in any case?

Ask supremo because he was the one correcting someone who said he was irish,which he is,saying he is british not irish,pretty pathetic as he clearly has a northern IRISH accent

[Stuarty]

I think it is you and supremo who is being ignorant to his nationality,he is irish,u ask a scot if they class themselves as british or scottish same with welsh,frampton irish plain and simple u can tell by his accent

I'm Scottish/British and proud of both. Why does it matter in any case?

Ask supremo because he was the one correcting someone who said he was irish,which he is,saying he is british not irish,pretty pathetic as he clearly has a northern IRISH accent

I think he just meant that NI is considered part of Britain. Can argue about it all day but it's a contentious issue over there.

[Ketchel]

Sorry to be pedantic here but Great Britain is defined as the following:

"Great Britain

n
(Placename) England, Wales, and Scotland including those adjacent islands governed from the mainland (i.e. excluding the Isle of Man and the Channel Islands). The United Kingdom of Great Britain was formed by the Act of Union (1707), although the term Great Britain had been in use since 1603, when James VI of Scotland became James I of England (including Wales). Later unions created the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland (1801) and the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland"

Northern Ireland is therefore is part of the United Kingdom not Great Britain. At this years Olympics we will hear more than once "Representing Great Britain and Northern Ireland...."

[TheGman]

Sorry to be pedantic here but Great Britain is defined as the following:

"Great Britain

n
(Placename) England, Wales, and Scotland including those adjacent islands governed from the mainland (i.e. excluding the Isle of Man and the Channel Islands). The United Kingdom of Great Britain was formed by the Act of Union (1707), although the term Great Britain had been in use since 1603, when James VI of Scotland became James I of England (including Wales). Later unions created the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland (1801) and the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland"

Northern Ireland is therefore is part of the United Kingdom not Great Britain. At this years Olympics we will hear more than once "Representing Great Britain and Northern Ireland...."

Thank you,so northern ireland is not part of Great Britain then? Does this make frampton Irish then? Im not asking for me cause i already know im just asking for other people's ignorance

[Crease]

Sorry to be pedantic here but Great Britain is defined as the following:

"Great Britain

n
(Placename) England, Wales, and Scotland including those adjacent islands governed from the mainland (i.e. excluding the Isle of Man and the Channel Islands). The United Kingdom of Great Britain was formed by the Act of Union (1707), although the term Great Britain had been in use since 1603, when James VI of Scotland became James I of England (including Wales). Later unions created the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland (1801) and the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland"

Northern Ireland is therefore is part of the United Kingdom not Great Britain. At this years Olympics we will hear more than once "Representing Great Britain and Northern Ireland...."

And yet no matter where in the world you go, people from the North are ALWAYS considered as Paddys because they come from the island.

The States, Canada, Austrailia even continentsl Europe.

[manchester-mexican]

He's Northern Irish, so he's still Irish ffs

[Taansend]

Let's just do away with all of the borders & silly names & just call ourselves EngIreScotWelshish

On a serious note, who f*cking cares? People need to stop squabbling about borders & religions invented by others to divide us so they can control us easier.

If you like someone more because they were born on this side of an imaginary line rather than a few hundred metres in the other direction then you really are just a puppet of the establishment.

And on that note, good luck Carl. Smash the f*ck out of that foreign bastard

[TheGman]

He's Northern Irish, so he's still Irish ffs

Thank fornicate someone who knows the difference between being irish and being british. Its like someone saying ur from north manchester but ur not from manchester cause its north manchester ha

[Supremo]

He's Northern Irish, so he's still Irish ffs

Thank eff someone who knows the difference between being irish and being british. Its like someone saying ur from north manchester but ur not from manchester cause its north manchester ha

No it isn't. Northern Ireland is distinct from the republic. They are two separate political entities, with their own governmenents, currency and passports. Manchester isn't.

[jamesmcdonnell]

Sorry to be pedantic here but Great Britain is defined as the following:

"Great Britain

n
(Placename) England, Wales, and Scotland including those adjacent islands governed from the mainland (i.e. excluding the Isle of Man and the Channel Islands). The United Kingdom of Great Britain was formed by the Act of Union (1707), although the term Great Britain had been in use since 1603, when James VI of Scotland became James I of England (including Wales). Later unions created the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland (1801) and the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland"

Northern Ireland is therefore is part of the United Kingdom not Great Britain. At this years Olympics we will hear more than once "Representing Great Britain and Northern Ireland...."

Yes, hence on the passport is says 'Great Britain and northern Ireland.'

To all intents and purposes, Northern Ireland is a colony, and it is part of the UK.

[jamesmcdonnell]

He isn't Irish.

He is irish born in belfast northern.....wait for it heres the biggest clue u gonna get that he is irish......IRELAND.
Stop being padantic

Why havent u answered my question from yestserday?

If you're Irish you have an Irish passport. I'm pretty sure Frampton will be travelling out to American on the same passport as me and 95% of the rest of the folk on this forum. I seriously doubt he would ever refer to himself as "Irish" either. That's not being pedantic, it's called being accurate and correcting ignorance.

I think you are quite wrong - both my parents were from Northern Ireland, and emigrated to London in the mid 1950's, and they considered themselves Irish, I'd bet a pound to a penny Frampton does too, if he was born in Belfast, especially if he's a catholic.

[Stuarty]

He is irish born in belfast northern.....wait for it heres the biggest clue u gonna get that he is irish......IRELAND.
Stop being padantic

Why havent u answered my question from yestserday?

If you're Irish you have an Irish passport. I'm pretty sure Frampton will be travelling out to American on the same passport as me and 95% of the rest of the folk on this forum. I seriously doubt he would ever refer to himself as "Irish" either. That's not being pedantic, it's called being accurate and correcting ignorance.

I think you are quite wrong - both my parents were from Northern Ireland, and emigrated to London in the mid 1950's, and they considered themselves Irish, I'd bet a pound to a penny Frampton does too, if he was born in Belfast, especially if he's a catholic.

He's a Protestant from loyalist Tigers Bay. He married a Catholic girl. To my knowledge most Protestants over that way class themselves as British/Irish.

Not too sure what Framptons stance is tbh. I class myself as British/Scottish. Suppose it just depends on the individual.

[jamesmcdonnell]

If you're Irish you have an Irish passport. I'm pretty sure Frampton will be travelling out to American on the same passport as me and 95% of the rest of the folk on this forum. I seriously doubt he would ever refer to himself as "Irish" either. That's not being pedantic, it's called being accurate and correcting ignorance.

I think you are quite wrong - both my parents were from Northern Ireland, and emigrated to London in the mid 1950's, and they considered themselves Irish, I'd bet a pound to a penny Frampton does too, if he was born in Belfast, especially if he's a catholic.

He's a Protestant from loyalist Tigers Bay. He married a Catholic girl. To my knowledge most Protestants over that way class themselves as British/Irish.

Not too sure what Framptons stance is tbh. I class myself as British/Scottish. Suppose it just depends on the individual.

Was going to say, Frampton doesn't sound a catholic name. Then again I'm McDonnell, and my family is Catholic, so you never can tell.

[Stuarty]

I think you are quite wrong - both my parents were from Northern Ireland, and emigrated to London in the mid 1950's, and they considered themselves Irish, I'd bet a pound to a penny Frampton does too, if he was born in Belfast, especially if he's a catholic.

He's a Protestant from loyalist Tigers Bay. He married a Catholic girl. To my knowledge most Protestants over that way class themselves as British/Irish.

Not too sure what Framptons stance is tbh. I class myself as British/Scottish. Suppose it just depends on the individual.

Was going to say, Frampton doesn't sound a catholic name. Then again I'm McDonnell, and my family is Catholic, so you never can tell.

Yeah I've a mate Mark O'Neill and he's a Prod. Strange! Also have a mate Carson who is Catholic.

[jamesmcdonnell]

He's a Protestant from loyalist Tigers Bay. He married a Catholic girl. To my knowledge most Protestants over that way class themselves as British/Irish.

Not too sure what Framptons stance is tbh. I class myself as British/Scottish. Suppose it just depends on the individual.

Was going to say, Frampton doesn't sound a catholic name. Then again I'm McDonnell, and my family is Catholic, so you never can tell.

Yeah I've a mate Mark O'Neill and he's a Prod. Strange! Also have a mate Carson who is Catholic.

Catholics and Protestants have been marrying one another for donkeys, it's no surprise, In my experience, racism and bigotry tend to end at the belt line - I've seen people I knew who were hard line racists, running around after black pussy like it was a 4x100 baton change.

[Stuarty]

Was going to say, Frampton doesn't sound a catholic name. Then again I'm McDonnell, and my family is Catholic, so you never can tell.

Yeah I've a mate Mark O'Neill and he's a Prod. Strange! Also have a mate Carson who is Catholic.

Catholics and Protestants have been marrying one another for donkeys, it's no surprise, In my experience, racism and bigotry tend to end at the belt line - I've seen people I knew who were hard line racists, running around after black pussy like it was a 4x100 baton change.

You paint a picture...

Bigotry is vile over here. It's a massive problem. You'd think people would grow out of it but they seem to get worse with age. It's embarrassing.

[TheGman]

He's Northern Irish, so he's still Irish ffs

Thank eff someone who knows the difference between being irish and being british. Its like someone saying ur from north manchester but ur not from manchester cause its north manchester ha

No it isn't. Northern Ireland is distinct from the republic. They are two separate political entities, with their own governmenents, currency and passports. Manchester isn't.

Supremo can i ask u a question and can u give me an honest answer? Why are you hell bent on saying frampton isnt irish even though he has an irish accent and was born in belfast northern ireland? Anyone would think u have something against the irish

[jamesmcdonnell]

Yeah I've a mate Mark O'Neill and he's a Prod. Strange! Also have a mate Carson who is Catholic.

Catholics and Protestants have been marrying one another for donkeys, it's no surprise, In my experience, racism and bigotry tend to end at the belt line - I've seen people I knew who were hard line racists, running around after black pussy like it was a 4x100 baton change.

You paint a picture...

Bigotry is vile over here. It's a massive problem. You'd think people would grow out of it but they seem to get worse with age. It's embarrassing.

I guess I was lucky, my mum's dad was a protestant, and her mum a catholic, he converted to Catholicism so they could marry, so there was little truck with sectarianism for them growing up, although some of her close family, got dragged into the sorry mess of the troubles nonetheless, it was kind of unavoidable if you grew up there in those times. My aunt Lilly who died about 10 years ago, had a paramilitary funeral by all accounts, because her son was shot by the British army and was a member of the IRA.

[jamesmcdonnell]

Thank eff someone who knows the difference between being irish and being british. Its like someone saying ur from north manchester but ur not from manchester cause its north manchester ha

No it isn't. Northern Ireland is distinct from the republic. They are two separate political entities, with their own governmenents, currency and passports. Manchester isn't.

Supremo can i ask u a question and can u give me an honest answer? Why are you hell bent on saying frampton isnt irish even though he has an irish accent and was born in belfast northern ireland? Anyone would think u have something against the irish

to be fair, depending on how much of a loyalist he is, Frampton could well consider himself English, there's plenty of loyalists who do.

[Stuarty]

No it isn't. Northern Ireland is distinct from the republic. They are two separate political entities, with their own governmenents, currency and passports. Manchester isn't.

Supremo can i ask u a question and can u give me an honest answer? Why are you hell bent on saying frampton isnt irish even though he has an irish accent and was born in belfast northern ireland? Anyone would think u have something against the irish

to be fair, depending on how much of a loyalist he is, Frampton could well consider himself English, there's plenty of loyalists who do.

I've a few mates from over there and they class themselves as British. Again it just depends on the individual. I've been over for a good few Frampton fights and there's plenty from both sides there and I've only ever seen one bit of bother and that was just a scuffle at the Parodi fight.

Have to say it's by far and away the best atmosphere I've ever experienced at a boxing match.

[TheGman]

Supremo can i ask u a question and can u give me an honest answer? Why are you hell bent on saying frampton isnt irish even though he has an irish accent and was born in belfast northern ireland? Anyone would think u have something against the irish

to be fair, depending on how much of a loyalist he is, Frampton could well consider himself English, there's plenty of loyalists who do.

I've a few mates from over there and they class themselves as British. Again it just depends on the individual. I've been over for a good few Frampton fights and there's plenty from both sides there and I've only ever seen one bit of bother and that was just a scuffle at the Parodi fight.

Have to say it's by far and away the best atmosphere I've ever experienced at a boxing match.

Well to me he is irish and u can tell by his accent he is irish,he doesnt sound english scottish or welsh,he sounds 100% irish

[Stuarty]

to be fair, depending on how much of a loyalist he is, Frampton could well consider himself English, there's plenty of loyalists who do.

I've a few mates from over there and they class themselves as British. Again it just depends on the individual. I've been over for a good few Frampton fights and there's plenty from both sides there and I've only ever seen one bit of bother and that was just a scuffle at the Parodi fight.

Have to say it's by far and away the best atmosphere I've ever experienced at a boxing match.

Well to me he is irish and u can tell by his accent he is irish,he doesnt sound english scottish or welsh,he sounds 100% irish

He's my favourite fighter and it doesn't really bother me what he is or where he's from tbh.

[manchester-mexican]

I live outside Belfast, I'm a British subject with a British passport, but I still live on the island of Ireland n am Northern Irish, I was in France at the euros n classed myself as Northern Irish, Im catholic n live in a staunchly protestant town were many call themselves British, it's just a mindset which we still have to overcome yet, but hopefully the next few genrations will. Anyway cmon the Jackal