Opinion: Fight night weigh in released to the public POLL

[lazboy]

I would like an across the board mandatory weigh in of fighters moments before they enter the ring released to the public. I appreciate that some boxing organisations or maybe all of them do this but it's certainly not released to the public across the board aka Canelo's recent fights.

I appreciate that there may be complications if the fighters weight is released before the fight....This may affect gambling odds...maybe tactics, I don't know. So either released before or after the fight but released to the public period.

I also don't mean that fighters need to make a weight after having already "made weight". This is more a transparency suggestion given the recent discussions. I would like to know (again using Canelo for example) whether a fighter who weighed 155 the day before, weighs 175+ moments before his bout. I'm interested to see how much Kell Brook weighs before bouts as he is considered a big welterweight among others.

I appreciate that making weight is a big part of boxing (past and present) and I don't mean to take away from the significance and challenge of making weight. If I am tell me, I'm just curious and want facts rather than speculation regarding fight night weight.

[Stuarty]

Should be before the fight. If this was the case it would probably change betting patterns etc.. If folk knew what weight Salido was entering the ring at against Loma I'm pretty sure a lot more money would've went on him.

[Enlightened-One]

To be honest, I’d like the WBA, WBC & WBO to implement the IBF’s second-day morning-of-the-fight 10lbs over the “official fighting” weight limit rule, but instead of being weighed between 8am-10am, perhaps it would be better if the weigh-in took place later in the day (say 2pm-4pm).

Another idea would be for all the global sanctioning bodies to agree to impose mandatory legally-enforceable contractual stipulations for all non-heavyweight professional bouts, so they must always contain a pre-agreed rehydration limit (for a weigh-in taking place immediately before the bout), ensuring that the fighter who broke the contract is punished somehow.

The opponent of the fighter who broke the contract could then have two choices, such as:

1. Withdraw from the fight and receive some form of compensation for all of his expenses (plus a bit extra), which would be funded by the offender of the previously agreed rehydration limit clause - a monetary sum detailed in the contract itself
2. Or participate in the bout anyway, whilst receives a guarantee that he’ll receive a percentage of the offenders fight purse, say 50%

I have no interest about rehydration weights being disclosed to the public, as long as there is a level playing field, with both fighters entering the ring knowing full-well the risks that they are taking (if the information was communicated to both fight teams).

[Ricky_]

To be honest, I’d like the WBA, WBC & WBO to implement the IBF’s second-day morning-of-the-fight 10lbs over the “official fighting” weight limit rule, but instead of being weighed between 8am-10am, perhaps it would be better if the weigh-in took place later in the day (say 2pm-4pm).

Another idea would be for all the global sanctioning bodies to agree to impose mandatory legally-enforceable contractual stipulations for all non-heavyweight professional bouts, so they must always contain a pre-agreed rehydration limit (for a weigh-in taking place immediately before the bout), ensuring that the fighter who broke the contract is punished somehow.

The opponent of the fighter who broke the contract could then have two choices, such as:
1. Withdraw from the fight and receive some form of compensation for all of his expenses (plus a bit extra), which would be funded by the offender of the previously agreed rehydration limit clause - a monetary sum detailed in the contract itself
2. Or participate in the bout anyway, whilst receives a guarantee that he’ll receiving a percentage of the offenders fight purse, say 50%

Then guys will just stay dehydatred, or go dry out in a sauna again on fight day for a few hours before the weigh-in.

Same day weigh-ins were banned for a reason, it causes deaths.

WBC has the right idea was 30-day and 7-day weigh-ins.

[Badhusker]

To be honest, I’d like the WBA, WBC & WBO to implement the IBF’s second-day morning-of-the-fight 10lbs over the “official fighting” weight limit rule, but instead of being weighed between 8am-10am, perhaps it would be better if the weigh-in took place later in the day (say 2pm-4pm).

Another idea would be for all the global sanctioning bodies to agree to impose mandatory legally-enforceable contractual stipulations for all non-heavyweight professional bouts, so they must always contain a pre-agreed rehydration limit (for a weigh-in taking place immediately before the bout), ensuring that the fighter who broke the contract is punished somehow.

The opponent of the fighter who broke the contract could then have two choices, such as:
1. Withdraw from the fight and receive some form of compensation for all of his expenses (plus a bit extra), which would be funded by the offender of the previously agreed rehydration limit clause - a monetary sum detailed in the contract itself
2. Or participate in the bout anyway, whilst receives a guarantee that he’ll receiving a percentage of the offenders fight purse, say 50%

Then guys will just stay dehydatred, or go dry out in a sauna again on fight day for a few hours before the weigh-in.

Same day weigh-ins were banned for a reason, it causes deaths.

WBC has the right idea was 30-day and 7-day weigh-ins.

If the orgs truly want to make it safer for the boxers while leveling the playing field with same day weigh ins, they would mandate a once a year body fat test, and limit the weight boxers to 5% body fat. It would eliminate massive re-hydrations of day before weigh ins, while also limiting the danger of cutting too much. Basically the same they do for high school wrestling. At the 30 and 7 day weigh ins, also put a half pound a day limit on what they can cut. They have to keep an eye on their weight and not dehydrate themselves so much to get there. Treat them like kids? Maybe so. Some do not care enough about their bodies themselves, so put some rules in place so they have to. Just an idea.

[Enlightened-One]

Then guys will just stay dehydatred, or go dry out in a sauna again on fight day for a few hours before the weigh-in.

Same day weigh-ins were banned for a reason, it causes deaths.

WBC has the right idea was 30-day and 7-day weigh-ins.

Same day weigh-in were banned at a time when there weren’t 30-day weigh-ins, 7-day weigh-ins, an official weigh-in the day before the fight and the IBF’s second-day morning-of-the-fight 10lbs over the “official fighting” weigh-in.

Has there been any deaths due to rehydration for any fighters’ engaging in IBF sanctioned bouts since they introduced their second-day morning-of-the-fight 10lbs over the “official fighting” weight rule?

When a fighters’ weight is monitored so closely, so regularly, there’s less incentive for them to keep yo-yoing. They’d have to maintain a strict diet at all times, because otherwise they’d be severely weakened.

Any fighter that doesn’t maintain their own health and fitness levels closely in a dangerous sport should surely be willing to accept the consequences of their actions.

[Ricky_]

If the orgs truly want to make it safer for the boxers while leveling the playing field with same day weigh ins, they would mandate a once a year body fat test, and limit the weight boxers to 5% body fat.

Wave goodbye to the heavyweight division then

[Ricky_]

Has there been any deaths due to rehydration for any fighters’ engaging in IBF sanctioned bouts since they introduced their second-day morning-of-the-fight 10lbs over the “official fighting” weight rule?

I don't know but it spells trouble. If a guy puts weight on overnight then sees he needs to either lose 2.5lb in a couple of hours to make the same-day weight, or lose his purse, then he's going to hit the treadmill and sit in a hot bath to dry himself out.

You know what happens to your brain when you are dehydrated? It shrinks, and it starts to pull away from the skull, that's why you get a banging headache when you have a hangover. Fancy taking some punches to the head in that physical state? Me neither.

[lazboy]

Has there been any deaths due to rehydration for any fighters’ engaging in IBF sanctioned bouts since they introduced their second-day morning-of-the-fight 10lbs over the “official fighting” weight rule?

I don't know but it spells trouble. If a guy puts weight on overnight then sees he needs to either lose 2.5lb in a couple of hours to make the same-day weight, or lose his purse, then he's going to hit the treadmill and sit in a hot bath to dry himself out.

You know what happens to your brain when you are dehydrated? It shrinks, and it starts to pull away from the skull, that's why you get a banging headache when you have a hangover. Fancy taking some punches to the head in that physical state? Me neither.

I agree it's to early to start putting sactions. The risk is to great. But to introduce a inconsequential fight night weigh in. I wonder if it would change the culture of pro boxing. I wonder whether certain boxers would be less willing to boil down as dramatically after numbers are revealed and criticized. I'm sure it would be a gradual change but it could "fair" up the field. fighters actually fighting fighters their weight. Maybe age wouldn't play as great a part. Obviously this is all hypothetical but it's interesting.

[boxing_rocks]

All sanctioning bodies should also limit allowable rehydration limit to 5%, for example:

118 lb: up to 5.9 lb
160 lb: up to 8 lb
175 lb: up to 8.75 lb

That would prevent cheaters having access to shady technologies to cut of huge weight and then rehydrate by 20+ pounds.
It is ridiculous that WBC only allows 5% limit during the 7-day weigh-in but doesn't limit weight during the next day weigh-in.

[Ricky_]

All sanctioning bodies should also limit allowable rehydration limit to 5%, for example:

118 lb: up to 5.9 lb
160 lb: up to 8 lb
175 lb: up to 8.75 lb

That would prevent cheaters having access to shady technologies to cut of huge weight and then rehydrate by 20+ pounds.
It is ridiculous that WBC only allows 5% limit during the 7-day weigh-in but doesn't limit weight during the next day weigh-in.

Then middleweight just becomes supermiddle wuth a same day weigh in. What is it with all these funky same-day weight stip ideas? The bottom line is ANY kind of same day weighin limit = dehydrated fighters in the ring.

[asdfjkl]

For me there might also be two weight ins, one the day before and one the latest seconds before the fight.

I personally don't even care if one of the fighters has a bit more weight, but not everybody is a heavyweight fan appearantly.

[sharpei_louis]

I'm coming at this perhaps less educated than most, but there must be a way of producing a more level playing field in terms of people fighting at their most natural weights... I mean in an ideal world boxers would turn up hydrated and ready to go, and fight opposition weighing the same as them in the ring wouldn't they?
To that end the principle should be pre-fight weigh ins limited to the division they're in but with check weights in the build up to ensure that they aren't dehydrating immediately prior to the fight, am I off the mark? I think the general public would expect for example fights at 147lbs to both weigh 147lbs at the point of entering the ring, rather than this crazy situation we have now of people coming in 15-20lbs heavier.

[lazboy]

I'm coming at this perhaps less educated than most, but there must be a way of producing a more level playing field in terms of people fighting at their most natural weights... I mean in an ideal world boxers would turn up hydrated and ready to go, and fight opposition weighing the same as them in the ring wouldn't they?
To that end the principle should be pre-fight weigh ins limited to the division they're in but with check weights in the build up to ensure that they aren't dehydrating immediately prior to the fight, am I off the mark? I think the general public would expect for example fights at 147lbs to both weigh 147lbs at the point of entering the ring, rather than this crazy situation we have now of people coming in 15-20lbs heavier.

Other than the dehydration concerns, (which is a significant and realistic concern and one of the most likely many reasons why this is not happening), what you've said is the ideal boxing situation. I'd like to see people of the same weight fight each other. Both Kirkland and Kahn were knocked out by Canelo in such a sickening manner, my girlfriend thought he killed Kahn. Maybe I'm just a Canelo hater...and truly I don't like what I see. But knowing he significantly outweighed those opponents and not to mention the size of his neck, which is an advantage to the chin, I want to see him and OTHERS take on people their own weight. I'm sure their probably damaging their own bodies dehydrating that way not to mention their potential to really hurt their under matched opponents.

[NateJR]

Doesn't mean a thing to me. If they make weight during the official weigh in that's all that matters.

[boxing_rocks]

All sanctioning bodies should also limit allowable rehydration limit to 5%, for example:

118 lb: up to 5.9 lb
160 lb: up to 8 lb
175 lb: up to 8.75 lb

That would prevent cheaters having access to shady technologies to cut of huge weight and then rehydrate by 20+ pounds.
It is ridiculous that WBC only allows 5% limit during the 7-day weigh-in but doesn't limit weight during the next day weigh-in.

Then middleweight just becomes supermiddle wuth a same day weigh in. What is it with all these funky same-day weight stip ideas? The bottom line is ANY kind of same day weighin limit = dehydrated fighters in the ring.

Not really. As they had to be 8 pounds lighter a day before, they should be reasonably hydrated.

[Like a Boss]

Can't see any good reason why the weights shouldn't be released to the public before the fight takes place.

[Ricky_]

All sanctioning bodies should also limit allowable rehydration limit to 5%, for example:

118 lb: up to 5.9 lb
160 lb: up to 8 lb
175 lb: up to 8.75 lb

That would prevent cheaters having access to shady technologies to cut of huge weight and then rehydrate by 20+ pounds.
It is ridiculous that WBC only allows 5% limit during the 7-day weigh-in but doesn't limit weight during the next day weigh-in.

Then middleweight just becomes supermiddle wuth a same day weigh in. What is it with all these funky same-day weight stip ideas? The bottom line is ANY kind of same day weighin limit = dehydrated fighters in the ring.

Not really. As they had to be 8 pounds lighter a day before, they should be reasonably hydrated.

They could just dehydrate for both weighins. There's no way of getting around it. A same-day weigh-in is a same-day weigh-in.

[Tarkus]

All sanctioning bodies should also limit allowable rehydration limit to 5%, for example:

Then how do expect all these A sides to have an unfair advantage? I mean they might actually loose if its a fair fight.

[Tarkus]

Can't see any good reason why the weights shouldn't be released to the public before the fight takes place.

Because it is lot of fun.

[Like a Boss]

Can't see any good reason why the weights shouldn't be released to the public before the fight takes place.

Because it is lot of fun.

What is? Not knowing?

[pound per pound]

I'd rather seem them fight at the weight limit. This dehydration-rehydration business of making the weight then entering the ring 10-20 pounds heavier is BS.

Fight at your weight, don't dehydrate to make weight.

[Pureist]

To be honest, I’d like the WBA, WBC & WBO to implement the IBF’s second-day morning-of-the-fight 10lbs over the “official fighting” weight limit rule, but instead of being weighed between 8am-10am, perhaps it would be better if the weigh-in took place later in the day (say 2pm-4pm).

Another idea would be for all the global sanctioning bodies to agree to impose mandatory legally-enforceable contractual stipulations for all non-heavyweight professional bouts, so they must always contain a pre-agreed rehydration limit (for a weigh-in taking place immediately before the bout), ensuring that the fighter who broke the contract is punished somehow.

The opponent of the fighter who broke the contract could then have two choices, such as:
1. Withdraw from the fight and receive some form of compensation for all of his expenses (plus a bit extra), which would be funded by the offender of the previously agreed rehydration limit clause - a monetary sum detailed in the contract itself
2. Or participate in the bout anyway, whilst receives a guarantee that he’ll receiving a percentage of the offenders fight purse, say 50%

Then guys will just stay dehydatred, or go dry out in a sauna again on fight day for a few hours before the weigh-in.

Same day weigh-ins were banned for a reason, it causes deaths.

WBC has the right idea was 30-day and 7-day weigh-ins.

If the orgs truly want to make it safer for the boxers while leveling the playing field with same day weigh ins, they would mandate a once a year body fat test, and limit the weight boxers to 5% body fat. It would eliminate massive re-hydrations of day before weigh ins, while also limiting the danger of cutting too much. Basically the same they do for high school wrestling. At the 30 and 7 day weigh ins, also put a half pound a day limit on what they can cut. They have to keep an eye on their weight and not dehydrate themselves so much to get there. Treat them like kids? Maybe so. Some do not care enough about their bodies themselves, so put some rules in place so they have to. Just an idea.

Where did you get 5% from husker, elite athletes are about 8-12%, how would that help once a year anyway, there is an article on another forum this morning saying canelo weighed in at 187 on fight night against khan, if canelo can put on 32 lb good for him, it will stop as his metabolism slows

[BitPlayer]

No, I think it'd just be embarrassing. I think they need to find a way to ban dehydrating for weigh ins. It's really no different from using PEDs, endangering yourself to get an unfair (weight) advantage.

I know there are cases where it's done to fight a particular person, but either that person is happy with a weight disadvantage, in which case just get a proper weight, then fight, and if they're not, don't fight.

[Tarkus]

Can't see any good reason why the weights shouldn't be released to the public before the fight takes place.

Because it is lot of fun.

What is? Not knowing?

You are right of course. There is no reason why, except of their desire to hide why they are winning those fights.