Parker Vs Dimintrenko

[Cutman Scabbers]

Brazeale was slow, but I was impressed at the boxing skills -- namely slipping punches and countering --
Joshua displayed in beating him.

Has Parker shown any such skills so far?

[foxdog1923]

I'm not sure I would say that Parker has fought 'far more experienced' opponents than Joshua. Joshua has fought experienced opposition

Well let's see about that.

When I link the big name fighters (popular past and current) that have fought each respective fighter, it seems to suggest that Parker has fought more quality and experienced opposition thus coming through a rather more difficult path than Joshua.

Let's start with Joshua..
-Charles Martin [8] (Glazkov [7])
-Dillian Whyte [33] (Brian Minto [96])
-Dominic Breazeale [20] (Amir Mansour [28], Fred Kassi [82])
-Kevin Johnston [60] (Manuel Charr [22], Derek Chisora [8], Tyson Fury [8], Vitali Klitchko [3])
-Raphael Zumbano-Love [92] (Charles Martin [33], Eric Molina [48], Shannon Briggs [90])
-Jason Gavern [143] (Gerald Washington [41], Deontay Wilder [11], Michael Sprott [52], Amir Mansour [28], Steve Cunningham [18], Alexander Ustinov [22])
-Michael Sprott [73] (Robert Helenius [12], Kubrat Pulev [9], Alexander Dimitrenko [8]

That's it! Those are the big name fighters he fought and those in brackets are the big names those guys fought before they took on Joshua. Those guys theyve beaten in brackets are NOT very EXPERIENCED.

Now let's look at Parker..

Parker..
-Carlos Takam [22] (Alexander Povetkin [3], George Arias [117], Michael Sprott [103], Tony Thompson [18], Michael Grant [46], Frans Botha [62])
-Kali Meehan [28] (Ruslan Chageav [4], Hasim Rahman [9], Lamont Brewster [8])
-Sherman Williams [130] (Gerald Washington [134], Robert Helenius [8])
-Brian Minto [28] (Artur Szpilka [29], Chris Arreola [12])
-Frans Botha [105] (Wladimir Klitschko [1], Evander Holyfield [13], Lennox Lewis [1], Mike Tyson [20], Shannon Briggs [18], Michael Moorer [9])

The names in brackets were the fighters those guys fought before their bout with Parker. Lot of those fighters were well past their prime when they fought Parker but you get an idea of the experience they have and the quality in that they were even good enough to be pitted against some of these proven names.

Clearly Parker has fought the more experienced opponents.

Thank you.

The argument in my post is that Parker has "not fought 'far more experienced' opponents than Joshua". That was it. You respond by haphazardly throwing together a list with a bit of bold text completely biased towards your argument.

I have very kindly completed your list throwing in some around and about rankings of each fighter at the time of which they fought Joshua/Parker. Because you unbelievably added Sherman Williams and Frans Botha (who are both closer to death than their prime), I responded in kind by adding Jason Gavern and Raphael Zumbano Love. Both terrible fighters, in their twilight, but have loads of 'experience' as you put it.

To be quite frank, I'd actually wager their record against experienced opposition is a lot more similar than I originally gave credit for, and as far as quality goes, apart from Takam, the level of opposition is almost negligible. I have already stated in my previous post, and rightly so, that Parker has fought the highest level in the two in Takam.

As far as I am concerned, both fighters have fought at journey man / fringe level so far, and neither have a resume to boast about. However both will be making markable step ups in their next two fights.

I'm happy you're staying with the topic and you get my respect for that. Its about the far more experienced opponents and not:
-age when they fought
-ranking when they fought (this is definitely has nothing with trying to prove who fought the far more experienced opponents)

It's just about the opponents being far more experienced. So how can we get a gage on who of the two has fought the...

1. We look at which opponents have been fighting longer by checking their debut dates

2. We add the amount of fights of all the experienced fighters and see who's had more fights as I think that would suggest the more experienced opponents

Well let's start with the years of Joshuas "experienced opponents"..

Only one or two of Joshuas opponents (who wasn't even good, don't know his name he's so shit) started in 1999.

Parker has 3 that started in 1997-99 period. One of them dated actually dated back to 1997, not sure which one now. They were Minto, Meehan and Williams (these guys were good IMO, you can't fight BIG names if you're nothing unless you meet the big name as a rookie).

Also when we talk experience next comes how many fights. Well if you add up all of Parkers 17 experienced opponents amount of fights, Parkers 17 has clearly had more fights as well!

Parkers opponents had more years in the game and more fights then Joshuas opponents. Ah what does that mean? Of course the far more experienced opponents are Parkers.


I agree with you on your other points but fact of the matter we are discussing EXPERIENCED opponents, not age. With experience comes age so it's a bit dumb to look at age when your discussing experience like one poster has done (not you). Botha alone is more EXPERIENCED than all of Joshuas rookie unproven opponents!

Thanks again ;)

[allInmoderationAIM]

JASON GAVERN IS NOT "...A TERRIBLE FIGHTER" as you say there Rob3_142. He gave Joseph Parker good work, too!

[foxdog1923]

JASON GAVERN IS NOT "...A TERRIBLE FIGHTER" as you say there Rob3_142. He gave Joseph Parker good work, too!

How come only you got to see that fight? Not fair.

All these Joshua fans and their "knowledge".

[Kalan]

Dimitrenko is done... Nothing but a cherry pick and not in the top 30.

[Kalan]

Jason Gavern isn't a terrible fighter... He'd have improve a lot to be terrible.. He grabs and holds incessantly and whenever he's hit with a light shot he heads for the canvas.. While he's there he holds the back of his head and complains about being fouled.. The commentators described him as "a mess" in his Dave Allen fight.

[Grailer]

Why did AJ get to fight for world title before Parker?

Parker fought better opponents

[Ruthless-RKO]

Parker is not holding back. He wants to fight taller heavyweights so he is ready for Joshua. Clever move and he's keeping busy. Everyone knows European heavyweights can fight. So this might be a tough fight.

[Ruthless-RKO]

Why did AJ get to fight for world title before Parker?

Parker fought better opponents

Because Charles Martin wanted a big pay day, offered Joshua a fight knowing Hearn would offer big money.

[foxdog1923]

Why did AJ get to fight for world title before Parker?

Parker fought better opponents

Because Charles Martin wanted a big pay day, offered Joshua a fight knowing Hearn would offer big money.

Yeah that's basically it. Also you can't fault Joshua for getting an earlier title shot cos that's what its about. Another thing is, Joshua does deserve to be up there. The guy is good despite his not so great opponents.

[Rob3_142]

Why did AJ get to fight for world title before Parker?

Parker fought better opponents

It all comes down to the Matchroom juggernaut, with Joshua in the cockpit. Martin was never meant to be world champion, and kind of fell into it by default. As soon as he became world champ, there's no doubt Hearn was immediately in his face flashing the cash. Money talks in this game, and they bought the world championship (well he beat Martin, but then many in the top 20 would).

[BroughtonRulesRefuge]

Brazeale was slow, but I was impressed at the boxing skills -- namely slipping punches and countering --
Joshua displayed in beating him.

Has Parker shown any such skills so far?

- Parker mgt not nearly so skilled as Hearns in securing Haymon Horizontal Heavyweights for Josh.

Impressive command of distance and opportunity by Josh, but Parker has displayed a different skill set, that of combination punching and ability to know when to give in to fight on the backfoot and against the ropes against Takam and Haumano.

Nothing wrong with Josh pursuing opportunities and Parker pursuing different challenges to better himself for their coming battle. Josh has the substantial home officiating working out of his corner. Just sayin'.

[Ilya Muromets]

The bookies have Parker a 12 to 1 favorite - so I'll pick Dimitrenko - by KO!

[asdfjkl]

As long as Parker doesn't carry a belt, he may fight whoever he likes if the other guy accepts the fight.i don't have much of a problem with it.
Somehow Joshua shouldn't fight bums any more, I even consider Breazeale as a cherrypick.

[Rob3_142]

As long as Parker doesn't carry a belt, he may fight whoever he likes if the other guy accepts the fight.i don't have much of a problem with it.
Somehow Joshua shouldn't fight bums any more, I even consider Breazeale as a cherrypick.

Well it was a fight against an IBF ranked fighter, so if it was a cherry pick, it was cherry picked from the IBF rankings. Although I criticised the Breazeale match up also, it was clearly motivated by the new deal with Showtime. He'll continue to pick out names from the IBF rankings until a unification comes around.

[allInmoderationAIM]

JASON GAVERN IS NOT "...A TERRIBLE FIGHTER" as you say there Rob3_142. He gave Joseph Parker good work, too!

How come only you got to see that fight? Not fair.

All these Joshua fans and their "knowledge".

Foxdog, I don't see film; I read.

[allInmoderationAIM]

Jason Gavern isn't a terrible fighter... He'd have improve a lot to be terrible.. He grabs and holds incessantly and whenever he's hit with a light shot he heads for the canvas.. While he's there he holds the back of his head and complains about being fouled.. The commentators described him as "a mess" in his Dave Allen fight.

http://boxrec.com/boxer/179373

Kalan.. David Allen was his most recent (3/26) and it was a "RTD"-4 (3:00). Allen 8-0-1 enter. Before it he fought a easy on 7-11-15 W-Tko3(4) Opp was 5-19-0. Before it he is in vs Joshua and result was LKO-3 (8) 1:21 in U.K. Joshua 10-0-0 then (4-04-15). Before Joshua he L-UD8 V the 15-0-0 Gerald Washington; before that he was in China vs Jun Long Zhang L-tKo3 (12) Zhang 9-0-0. Prior, he had a easy. WUD-6 Vs. 5-3-0. Prior, he was in vs Wilder LRTD-4 (10 Wilder enter 31-0-0).Before it, faced Michael Sprott LUD-3 in UK. Sprott 36-21-0 in "useful" career! Before it, WMD3 in UK vs James Toney (75-8-3 a.t.t.). Before it, won UD-3 Vs Larry Olubamiwo, in UK OP is 10-3-0. Next two fights won and won. 2013 in vs Oleg Maskaev, in Russia L-UD10 Opp 37-7-0.
Amir Mansour 2013 L-TKO-1(10) (2:43) Mansour 17-0-0 enter. Next was his match vs Lucas Browne L TKO-3 (10) in China. Browne 13-0-0 then. Next (2012) he's in vs Leif Larsen L-TKo-5 (10); OP 16-0-0 (is that the Whitehouse address!)
Next he is in against Steve Cunningham at 'H' LUD-10 Steve 24-4-0 a.t.t. Next, in Ukraine meets 26-0-0 Alexander Ustinov L-KO-7 (12) Opp 26-0-0. Next: faced Mariusz Wach L TKO-6 (12) Wach 25-0-0. < that's 2012. Three bouts before W-TKO-7(10) vs Darnell Wilson. One match prior D-12 vs Johnathon Banks 24-1-0 then. One match prior WSD-10 vs Manuel Quezada 29-4-1 enter. A match before faced Bill McDonald's fighter Neven Pajkic 10-0-0 LUD-6 one fight before then LTKO-7 vs Denis Boytsov, 25-0-0. Previous four matches is 4-1 the loss vs a 26-1-0 foe.
He beat Harold Sconiers, solid trial horse. And four fights prior LMD-6 vs someone 13-0-1.
Keep following his record down because there is more to see.
Kalan, this isn't the record of a bum or someone who's "terrible". Obviously you expect all your guys to be Supers!
Jason Gavern is respected. That "neck" think you must be talking about one fight.

[allInmoderationAIM]

JASON GAVERN IS NOT "...A TERRIBLE FIGHTER" as you say there Rob3_142. He gave Joseph Parker good work, too!

How come only you got to see that fight? Not fair.

All these Joshua fans and their "knowledge".

Ha Ha! Opps! Jason Bergman gave Parker good work out! [You know, a lot of fights going on always! : )]

[foxdog1923]

JASON GAVERN IS NOT "...A TERRIBLE FIGHTER" as you say there Rob3_142. He gave Joseph Parker good work, too!

How come only you got to see that fight? Not fair.

All these Joshua fans and their "knowledge".

Ha Ha! Opps! Jason Bergman gave Parker good work out! [You know, a lot of fights going on always! : )]

I thought you meant that. :)

[Ruthless-RKO]

As long as Parker doesn't carry a belt, he may fight whoever he likes if the other guy accepts the fight.i don't have much of a problem with it.
Somehow Joshua shouldn't fight bums any more, I even consider Breazeale as a cherrypick.

Of Course it was a cherrypick.. He was given a voluntary defense against anyone in IBF's crappy Top 15. Luckily for him, Breazeale was #13..

[allInmoderationAIM]

Come to think of it, you know what would be pretty frisky: HAYE VS POVETKIN

[allInmoderationAIM]

How come only you got to see that fight? Not fair.

All these Joshua fans and their "knowledge".

Ha Ha! Opps! Jason Bergman gave Parker good work out! [You know, a lot of fights going on always! : )]

I thought you meant that. :)

[PredatorHayds]

Huge risk for Parker to take when the Joshua fight is a done deal.

If he wins but doesn't impress it could cost him financially with Joshua negotiations. He looks impressive he gets more money.

I expect Sky to pick this up in the UK and really sell Parker.