Name a boxer who...

bigzab · Post by **bigzab** » 23 Feb 2006, 15:45

....never trashtalked,
never made excuses,
never disrespected an opponent,
never stank out the joint,
never ducked anyone.

Mike McCullum always springs to mind, primarily coz of my age, but also too coz i think he was enough of a non-household name to come across as an unsung hero.
Marvin Hagler (of course), Azumah Nelson, (Jeff Fenech too, actually).
I think that Ray Leanord fits the criteria too, to my own surprise, but I can't quite grant him the same kind of integrity that the guys I mentioned deserve (in my mind). Looks like there's some kind of working class/underdog bias going on in my mind here.
Gerald McClellan deserves a mention.

Expug · Post by **Expug** » 23 Feb 2006, 15:54

Joe Louis.

witherspoon · Post by **witherspoon** » 23 Feb 2006, 16:00

WTF

Bigzab in rehab, or bigzab schizo???
Anyway, Tim Witherspoon, apart from making excuses for Bonecrusher loss, which were justified.

Jaclem · Post by **Jaclem** » 23 Feb 2006, 16:21

...joe louis may be THE top example. other names here are good. allow me to add ezzard charles.

BoxBuzz · Post by **BoxBuzz** » 23 Feb 2006, 16:50

Dick Tiger if I recall though he did throw out some questionable comments about some decisions such as the Emile Griffith 2. Which was a decision that was indeed totaly in line with reality.

I think for modern day Kostya Tszyu fits that. Though me thinks BigZab is setting me up on this one. .....I'm sure I'll get a retort on this.
McGuigan also. Oh....and I suppose I need to admit it..Floyd Patterson

bigzab · Post by **bigzab** » 23 Feb 2006, 17:01

BoxBuzz wrote:Dick Tiger if I recall though he did throw out some questionable comments about some decisions such as the Emile Griffith 2. Which was a decision that was indeed totaly in line with reality.

I think for modern day Kostya Tszyu fits that. Though me thinks BigZab is setting me up on this one. .....I'm sure I'll get a retort on this.
McGuigan also. Oh....and I suppose I need to admit it..Floyd Patterson

Buzz.........You been good to me, so I ain't gonna let you down.
Zab called out Kostya just before the Baldomir fight. Zab looked shit against Baldomir. If Kostya ain't gonna step up after that showing, either

A. He is really smart, and see's that Zab threw the fight to get a payday.
B. He is plain shit scared of Zab Judah.

I mean, dude, it's not like Kostya Tszyu displayed anything other than one lucky punch when they fought. What did I miss? Did he nonechalantly dodge Judah's finest, fastest flurry's with minute defensive head movements in the first round? Did he just plain look like he owned Judah from the bell to start round two? I don't wanna go over old ground anymore, I'm sure you catch my drift.

witherspoon · Post by **witherspoon** » 23 Feb 2006, 17:12

Errrmmm, big zab.......Aw nothing, forget about it.
Anyway, who remembers Tszyu's post fight interview, when asked if he would give tantrum boy a rematch,

'remember what he say in press conference, when you ask him same question? WINNER TAKE ALL! I give same answer now, come back to him, like a boomerang!'

It's nice when trash talk gets thrown back into trashtalkers face.

witherspoon · Post by **witherspoon** » 23 Feb 2006, 17:15

Anybody, aussies especially. I have really come to love Kostya's entrance music. What is it? Who is the singer?

Manos de Oro · Post by **Manos de Oro** » 23 Feb 2006, 18:07

Good topic, bigzab... hmm... William 'Caveman' Lee?

bigzab · Post by **bigzab** » 23 Feb 2006, 18:19

ERIK MORALES!!!!!!!!!! Tommy Hearns, Evander Holyfield, Oscar, Micheal Spinks, D.M.Q, Tom Broughton, Bob Foster, Jake Matlala, Daniel Zarragoza, Buddy McGirt, Alexis Arguello, Homicide Hank, Carmen Basilio, Salvador Sanchez.

Honorable mention to Jermain Taylor. So modest in victory over BHOP, you would have thought that he'd lost.

bigzab · Post by **bigzab** » 23 Feb 2006, 18:22

BoxBuzz wrote:.
McGuigan also. Oh....and I suppose I need to admit it..Floyd Patterson

DODGE CITY!!!!!

These guys don't score too badly in other criteria though, good honest pro's.

BoxBuzz · Post by **BoxBuzz** » 23 Feb 2006, 18:33

bigzab wrote:
BoxBuzz wrote:Dick Tiger if I recall though he did throw out some questionable comments about some decisions such as the Emile Griffith 2. Which was a decision that was indeed totaly in line with reality.

I think for modern day Kostya Tszyu fits that. Though me thinks BigZab is setting me up on this one. .....I'm sure I'll get a retort on this.
McGuigan also. Oh....and I suppose I need to admit it..Floyd Patterson
Buzz.........You been good to me, so I ain't gonna let you down.
Zab called out Kostya just before the Baldomir fight. Zab looked shit against Baldomir. If Kostya ain't gonna step up after that showing, either

A. He is really smart, and see's that Zab threw the fight to get a payday.
B. He is plain shit scared of Zab Judah.

I mean, dude, it's not like Kostya Tszyu displayed anything other than one lucky punch when they fought. What did I miss? Did he nonechalantly dodge Judah's finest, fastest flurry's with minute defensive head movements in the first round? Did he just plain look like he owned Judah from the bell to start round two? I don't wanna go over old ground anymore, I'm sure you catch my drift.

BigZab...I like you, I do....and I'd like you to meet a friend of mine....his name is REALITY. I'm pretty sure you guys have never met.

http://homepage.mac.com/xmlguy/fun/images/reality.jpg

bigzab · Post by **bigzab** » 23 Feb 2006, 18:54

I like you Buzz. You understand me. Forever more, you are to me as Watson to Holmes.

Expug · Post by **Expug** » 23 Feb 2006, 22:49

Carlos Palomino .

BoxBuzz · Post by **BoxBuzz** » 23 Feb 2006, 23:15

Good one expug....question was Palomino Native American?

Expug · Post by **Expug** » 23 Feb 2006, 23:49

BoxBuzz wrote:Good one expug....question was Palomino Native American?

Not sure...Thought he was Mexican-American.

BoxBuzz · Post by **BoxBuzz** » 24 Feb 2006, 09:42

yep for sure he was from mexico but I always wondered if he was native as well.

Arsenal · Post by **Arsenal** » 24 Feb 2006, 10:20

Correct me if I'm wrong but I can remember McClellen bad mouthing Benn before their fight.

Arsenal · Post by **Arsenal** » 24 Feb 2006, 14:54

I tend to agree about RJJ. Undoubted talent but did he fight everyone he should have? I know Benn always wanted to fight him and then retire but Jones was having none of it and mover upto LH.

BrocktonBlockbuster49 · Post by **BrocktonBlockbuster49** » 26 Feb 2006, 03:44

Joe Louis
Rocky Marciano
Ezzard Charles

are 3 that come to mind as of now

BrocktonBlockbuster49 · Post by **BrocktonBlockbuster49** » 26 Feb 2006, 04:35

Decagon wrote:Charles stunk up the place against Rex Layne in 1952.

it was a very sketchky hometown decision where jack dempsey(laynes friend both from same hometown) was the referee/only judge who scored the bout in rounds 2-1 layne with 7 ROUNDS EVEN. very sketchky scoring. this was a very close fight, but the consensous was charles edged it out.

"most sportswriters thought charles won" - new york times

- also i think u underate rex layne. at his best, layne was a good dangerous top contender heavyweight, certainly better than credit you give him judging by some of ur past posts on him. i have said enough on layne and how he burnt out and was ruined at a young age which was the cause of his late career plunge.

just remember, layne beat walcott and charles. how many can claim to that?

charles didnt stink up the place vs layne, layne simply proved when he brings his A game he was a very good fighter who was a threat to the best.

of course, u just think layne was a clumsy oaf who walcott took a dive against

if any time charles stinked up the place it was against nino valdes in 1953.

- in the recent years charles had been on the wrong end of some bad decisions, like the layne II, harold johnson, and to some walcott IV(accoring to ringside). the real bad decision people dont know is harold johnson fight. i recentley saw the fight after someone told me they thought charles was robbed and I totally agree with there view, charles defintley won.

so if u think about it.......entering the valdes bout charles really hadnt lossed since 52 when he failed to regain the title from walcott. u can even say charles hadnt lossed since he was knocked out by walcott in 51 since some believe charles was robbed in that 4th walcott fight.

decagon u should really be saying charles stunk up the place vs valdez

charles was the # 1 heavyweight contender who realistically hadnt lossed since the walcott fights. valdes, at the time, was a fringe contender with a horrible record who looked like would be an easy fight. however charles showed up out of shape(193lb), unfocused, and took valdes way too lightly and the big cuban proved he was a lot better than his record indicated scoring a big uspset win over ezzard.

but if ur ever going to complain of charles shitting the bed, it was the valdes fight! the first fight he legitley lost since the walcott fights and charles had been the huge favorite pre fight!