Are we to hard on Stevenson

[Counter-puncher]

Fight Stevenson on which network? Kovalev/Duva were in negotiations with HBO, and Sergey would take a fight on Showtime? Kovalev and many other fighters from former Soviet Union are not of the pimp kind. Most of them are grateful for what they have and loyal and will not switch their managers/promoters/networks for a few extra bucks.

I don’t really understand the nature of your post, because what you've just stated does not concur with reality.

Each and every single one of the bullet-pointed statements detailed in my previous post in this thread can be supported by interview transcripts and YouTube videos, because I’m merely reflecting the events that actually took place the real world.

You then try to put some sort of fictional mythical spin on things by citing the integrity of "former Soviet Union" fighters as weak justification, whereby they’re "grateful" and "loyal", whilst refusing to sell their souls for "a few extra bucks", really? Is that the best you can do?

Seriously, is that your excuse for the dodgy shenanigans that Kathy Duva pulled?

Main Events used the potential threat of Kovalev competing in a marquee fight on Showtime as a negotiation ploy to help renew Sergey’s contract with HBO in order to gain “a few extra bucks”. And it’s Krusher’s exclusive contract with HBO that is now one of the main stumbling blocks preventing the Stevenson bout from taking place.

Hi Rover!

someone mentioned 'bulletpoints'????

[Enlightened-One]

You then try to put some sort of fictional mythical spin on things by citing the integrity of "former Soviet Union" fighters as weak justification, whereby they’re "grateful" and "loyal", whilst refusing to sell their souls for "a few extra bucks", really? Is that the best you can do?

Yep, you are not capable to digest that. Kovalev is grateful to HBO for making him a star and does not want to jump networks for a few extra bucks.

So let me get this straight...

• You aggressively criticise Adonis Stevenson for preferring to sign a contract with Showtime in preference to fighting Sergey Kovalev.

• Yet you possess the sheer audacity to applaud Sergey Kovalev for preferring to sign a contract with HBO in preference to fighting Adonis Stevenson.

You’re a prime example of casual fight fan hypocrisy, because you choose to have different rules for different fighters.

[jujigatame]

Kovalev's resume is far superior to Stevenson's. In the last 3 years Stevenson is 5-0 and his best opponent is Bellew. In that same timeframe Kovalev is 9-0 and he beat Hopkins and Pascal who are both better than Bellew, and Cleverly who is almost as good as Bellew.

Additionally, Stevenson's last 3 opponents were complete and utter no-hopers. Kovalev hasn't fought anyone that bad since Agnew and Sillakh.

Stevenson has rightfully fallen off everyone's radar due to inactivity and poor opposition.

[crusader]

That's fergusg...I don't think him and rover are the same guy, although you never know.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

That's fergusg...I don't think him and rover are the same guy, although you never know.

Regardless of the aliases, he's cozy on my ignore list.

[crusader]

And mine now.

Joing the club people!

[BAD INTENTIONS]

Stevenson "ducked" Kovalev first, then Kovalev "ducked" Stevenson twice in a row.

For some weird reason, the majority of this board only remembers Stevenson's offense.

"Some weird reason"??? Are you that dumb or just pretending? Stevenson had no reasons to duck. Kovalev can't fight off HBO and Stevenson is refusing to fight on HBO.

Kovalev DID THE EXACT SAME THING back to Stevenson. If one is a duck, then the other is too.

Whatever, I'm done with this whole thing.
I was one of, if not the first person on this forum to preach Kovalev #1 p4p, so there can't be any "you don't like him because he's not black" bullsh!t.

But the level of discussion surrounding Kovalev and GGG on this forum is going the way of Manny.
It's difficult to have any reasonable conversation with most of you about them.

They duck no one, everyone ducks them.
Their loyalty/contracts to HBO matters, everyone else's loyalties/contracts are jokes.

I let that bullsh!t sour me to Manny during his career. The last Bradley fight was the first time I just got to watch and enjoy Manny
because of his disciples finally shut the fornicate up.

I'll just ignore these Kovalev/GGG topics so I don't have to watch them as critically.

[boxing_rocks]

Stevenson "ducked" Kovalev first, then Kovalev "ducked" Stevenson twice in a row.

For some weird reason, the majority of this board only remembers Stevenson's offense.

"Some weird reason"??? Are you that dumb or just pretending? Stevenson had no reasons to duck. Kovalev can't fight off HBO and Stevenson is refusing to fight on HBO.

Kovalev DID THE EXACT SAME THING back to Stevenson. If one is a duck, then the other is too.

Whatever, I'm done with this whole thing.
I was one of, if not the first person on this forum to preach Kovalev #1 p4p, so there can't be any "you don't like him because he's not black" bullsh!t.

But the level of discussion surrounding Kovalev and GGG on this forum is going the way of Manny.
It's difficult to have any reasonable conversation with most of you about them.

They duck no one, everyone ducks them.
Their loyalty/contracts to HBO matters, everyone else's loyalties/contracts are jokes.

I let that bullsh!t sour me to Manny during his career. The last Bradley fight was the first time I just got to watch and enjoy Manny
because of his disciples finally shut the eff up.

I'll just ignore these Kovalev/GGG topics so I don't have to watch them as critically.

Stevenson's "loyalty" doesn't matter, as he jumped networks. More importantly, when he ducked, he was on the same network, as Kovalev, so there were no obstacles.

I appreciate you ignoring Kovalev/GGG topics. THANK YOU. I wish other morons not understanding logic did the same

[lefty]

I decided to put a little bit of money on williams jnr. Not because I have a strong amount of faith in him winning or his overall talent but after watching the Karpency fight of Stevenson he didn't look that great. If he makes the same kind of mistakes against Williams jnr or being complacent generally I could see him getting face planted.

William jnr also has a pretty sneaky, decent right hook. It wouldnt be hugely shocking if Adonis got caught in an exchange with it.

[diddy]

IMO Williams odds aren't good enough to play him. He should be a bigger dog. He's overvalued because he blew out Edwin in a round. Edwin came right to him. Reckless. This is not something Adonis does or will do. Williams gets knocked out here.

[Cloutov]

Kovalev's resume is far superior to Stevenson's. In the last 3 years Stevenson is 5-0 and his best opponent is Bellew. In that same timeframe Kovalev is 9-0 and he beat Hopkins and Pascal who are both better than Bellew, and Cleverly who is almost as good as Bellew.

Additionally, Stevenson's last 3 opponents were complete and utter no-hopers. Kovalev hasn't fought anyone that bad since Agnew and Sillakh.

Stevenson has rightfully fallen off everyone's radar due to inactivity and poor opposition.

I think Bellew and Fonfara both can beat Pascal. Hopkins didn t cane to win but not to get drop. So from there i guess he is has dangerous than a Bika who would do whatever to win. The way we analyze Kovalev s record and action is so different than for Adonis. I still rank Kovalev no 1 in the division but Adonis is not the piece of crap some of you are believing

[punchoutsb]

Kovalev's resume is far superior to Stevenson's. In the last 3 years Stevenson is 5-0 and his best opponent is Bellew. In that same timeframe Kovalev is 9-0 and he beat Hopkins and Pascal who are both better than Bellew, and Cleverly who is almost as good as Bellew.

Additionally, Stevenson's last 3 opponents were complete and utter no-hopers. Kovalev hasn't fought anyone that bad since Agnew and Sillakh.

Stevenson has rightfully fallen off everyone's radar due to inactivity and poor opposition.

I think Bellew and Fonfara both can beat Pascal. Hopkins didn t cane to win but not to get drop. So from there i guess he is has dangerous than a Bika who would do whatever to win. The way we analyze Kovalev s record and action is so different than for Adonis. I still rank Kovalev no 1 in the division but Adonis is not the piece of crap some of you are believing

Emphasis on you *think*. Adonis resume simply doesn't stand up. He's a top LH for now and will stay there as long as he continues fighting poor opposition.

As for him being a piece of crap, there's not really room for debate there.

[diddy]

Eleider is a solid next fight for Adonis. If he gets through that the next fight better be Beterbiev. We know he's not fighting Ward or Kov.

[BAD INTENTIONS]

I don't believe any image any person portrays on TV.
As far as I'm concerned, Stevenson got caught because he was a poor thug.
Other rich people and athletes treat women no better. Rape and abuse included ...

This belief allows me to completely separate the "real" person from the activity they do.
If some of you could do the same, you would see that Stevenson is top p4p fighter.
His body work tonight was incredible and he showed top level patience and thinking.

Alvarez should be a good change of pace opponent.

[Cloutov]

I understand some of you will never forgive but the fact is he served is time in and since then he is very present for the young haitian community in Montreal. He gives a lot of money and time dedicated to the young generation to make sure they have all the tools to get a good life and not force to take his own path in the street gang. But hey like you said Pimp a day pimp forever...

[punchoutsb]

I don't believe any image any person portrays on TV.
As far as I'm concerned, Stevenson got caught because he was a poor thug.
Other rich people and athletes treat women no better. Rape and abuse included ...

This belief allows me to completely separate the "real" person from the activity they do.
If some of you could do the same, you would see that Stevenson is top p4p fighter.
His body work tonight was incredible and he showed top level patience and thinking.

Alvarez should be a good change of pace opponent.

Wow, so progressive.

[boxing_rocks]

I don't believe any image any person portrays on TV.
As far as I'm concerned, Stevenson got caught because he was a poor thug.
Other rich people and athletes treat women no better. Rape and abuse included ...

This belief allows me to completely separate the "real" person from the activity they do.
If some of you could do the same, you would see that Stevenson is top p4p fighter.
His body work tonight was incredible and he showed top level patience and thinking.

Alvarez should be a good change of pace opponent.

The only reason Stevenson looked good yesterday is that his opponent sucked and was tailor made for him.

[crusader]

I will say re: Kovalev/Stevenson comparisons, that I think Stevenson would have a far better chance in a head to head than many give him. To me Kovalev would only be a narrow favorite, and the straight left would be a serious danger to him.

[jujigatame]

Kovalev's resume is far superior to Stevenson's. In the last 3 years Stevenson is 5-0 and his best opponent is Bellew. In that same timeframe Kovalev is 9-0 and he beat Hopkins and Pascal who are both better than Bellew, and Cleverly who is almost as good as Bellew.

Additionally, Stevenson's last 3 opponents were complete and utter no-hopers. Kovalev hasn't fought anyone that bad since Agnew and Sillakh.

Stevenson has rightfully fallen off everyone's radar due to inactivity and poor opposition.

I think Bellew and Fonfara both can beat Pascal. Hopkins didn t cane to win but not to get drop. So from there i guess he is has dangerous than a Bika who would do whatever to win. The way we analyze Kovalev s record and action is so different than for Adonis. I still rank Kovalev no 1 in the division but Adonis is not the piece of crap some of you are believing

Fonfara just got starched by a total unknown in Joe Smith, and when he fought Stevenson he was a massive underdog. He only got some notoriety after that point because he hung tough with Stevenson and then beat JCC later.

Maybe Bellew could beat Pascal, maybe not. Besides, Stevenson beat Bellew like 3 years ago now. The reason people are hard on Stevenson is because he was the supposed LHW champ who spent years of his title reign fighting terrible opponents or nobody at all. No disrespect to Thomas Williams, but when he's the toughest challenger a champ has faced in 2 years, that is downright sad.

Stevenson is not a "piece of crap" he's just a disappointing champion.

[crusader]

Kovalev's resume is far superior to Stevenson's. In the last 3 years Stevenson is 5-0 and his best opponent is Bellew. In that same timeframe Kovalev is 9-0 and he beat Hopkins and Pascal who are both better than Bellew, and Cleverly who is almost as good as Bellew.

Additionally, Stevenson's last 3 opponents were complete and utter no-hopers. Kovalev hasn't fought anyone that bad since Agnew and Sillakh.

Stevenson has rightfully fallen off everyone's radar due to inactivity and poor opposition.

I think Bellew and Fonfara both can beat Pascal. Hopkins didn t cane to win but not to get drop. So from there i guess he is has dangerous than a Bika who would do whatever to win. The way we analyze Kovalev s record and action is so different than for Adonis. I still rank Kovalev no 1 in the division but Adonis is not the piece of crap some of you are believing

Fonfara just got starched by a total unknown in Joe Smith. Maybe Bellew could beat Pascal, maybe not. Besides, Stevenson beat Bellew like 3 years ago now. The reason people are hard on Stevenson is because he was the supposed LHW champ who spent years of his title reign fighting terrible opponents or nobody at all. No disrespect to Thomas Williams, but when he's the toughest challenger a champ has faced in 2 years, that is downright sad.

Stevenson is not a "piece of crap" he's just a disappointing champion.

This.

He's clearly been stagnating over the last few years and is now getting close to 40. Alvarez will be a nice step back in the right direction, but his opposition over the last two years has been mediocre. It's as if he lost his desire to challenge himself following the tough night with Fonfara.

[BAD INTENTIONS]

I don't believe any image any person portrays on TV.
As far as I'm concerned, Stevenson got caught because he was a poor thug.
Other rich people and athletes treat women no better. Rape and abuse included ...

This belief allows me to completely separate the "real" person from the activity they do.
If some of you could do the same, you would see that Stevenson is top p4p fighter.
His body work tonight was incredible and he showed top level patience and thinking.

Alvarez should be a good change of pace opponent.

Wow, so progressive.

I know it's hard to accept.
Who abused more women, Stevenson or Cosby?

The crazy thing is that guys like Stevenson did it for money and hunger,
but celebrities and rich men do it for entertainment.

https://pound4poundireland.wordpress.co ... as-a-pimp/

[punchoutsb]

I don't believe any image any person portrays on TV.
As far as I'm concerned, Stevenson got caught because he was a poor thug.
Other rich people and athletes treat women no better. Rape and abuse included ...

This belief allows me to completely separate the "real" person from the activity they do.
If some of you could do the same, you would see that Stevenson is top p4p fighter.
His body work tonight was incredible and he showed top level patience and thinking.

Alvarez should be a good change of pace opponent.

Wow, so progressive.

I know it's hard to accept.
Who abused more women, Stevenson or Cosby?

The crazy thing is that guys like Stevenson did it for money and hunger,
but celebrities and rich men do it for entertainment.

https://pound4poundireland.wordpress.co ... as-a-pimp/

Is there a point you're trying to make or do you really just love to hear yourself talk about nothing?

I don't like Bill Cosby either, but I'm sure you still spend a lot of money on your Huxtable Sweaters since you so progressively separate actions from personas. The fact that Stevenson is a piece of crap doesn't color how I rate his performances; he's just not as good as Kovalev or Ward.