Santa Cruz vs Frampton

[boxingtruth]

Easily a FOTY contender.

I seem the only person to score it for LSC. I had it 115-113.

Over the moon Frampton got it though. Needs a rematch. Quality fight.

I think that's a fair score. The punch stats were neck and neck. I don't know a lot of Frampton fans can say their man was much better. It's a one point either way fight for me.

[The Law]

Easily a FOTY contender.

I seem the only person to score it for LSC. I had it 115-113.

Over the moon Frampton got it though. Needs a rematch. Quality fight.

I think that's a fair score. The punch stats were neck and neck. I don't know a lot of Frampton fans can say their man was much better. It's a one point either way fight for me.

Don't pay too much attention to punch stats. Fights are not scored by the overall punches in a fight, they are scored round by round. Also not every punch is scored the same (i.e. some punches are more eye catching or carry more power).

Hypothetically speaking, if I landed 100 punches (with the same power) in each of the first 4 rounds and my opponent landed 10 punches (with the same power) during each of the first 4 rounds, then I landed 30 punches in each of the last 8 rounds but my opponent landed 50 punches in each of the last 8 rounds, it is likely that my opponent will win 8 rounds and I will only win 4 rounds. So I would lose the fight despite landing 200 more punches (i.e. a total of 640 punches against 440). I hope that explains it

I had Frampton winning by 2 rounds due to him landing the more effective punches. They both landed a similar amount of punches but Frampton's punches stood out more. However, this is subjective.

[ClivePatrickLyons]

When I heard those two judge's card's read out [116/112 or 8/4 in round's and 117/111 or 9/3 in round's] I was thinking don't ruin a decent fight by giving Santa Cruze such a wide win on two of the score card's it was much closer then that so when Frampton was read out as the winner I was to say the least shocked if not stunned Frampton did not throw enough punche's through out the fight to win it in my unbias opinion especially by those margin's I thought the fight was close a lot of the round's were close especially after the 5th round because for the 1st 5 round's I think Frampton was well on top I think his punch volume wasn't as great after about 5 round's he seemed to start to admire some of his work the judge that had it 114/114 was the only judge out of the 3 that did not let the Irish fan's dilute what they were seeing those 2 judge's must have given Frampton every close round and like I said I thought ther was some very close round's Santa Cruze will surely need a Knockout if they fight a rematch in Ireland

Agree mate. I had it 114-114.

Wrote about why the rematch must happen here:

http://boxingtruth.net/santa-cruz-v-fra ... -repeated/

A point either way would've been fine but those two judges had a bad night IMO. What a bloody fight though. Genuinely brilliant from start to finish.

Your right mate it was a top fight I will be watching the rematch and if I have to i'll pay for it

[ClivePatrickLyons]

Easily a FOTY contender.

I seem the only person to score it for LSC. I had it 115-113.

Over the moon Frampton got it though. Needs a rematch. Quality fight.

I think that's a fair score. The punch stats were neck and neck. I don't know a lot of Frampton fans can say their man was much better. It's a one point either way fight for me.

I read something the other day on a boxing site I can't remember where but the guy writing the article said he believed judge's should have to sit in sound proof booth's while judging fight's and that they should have to wear blinker's similar to the blinker's race horse's wear so they can only see whats in front of them and that way the judge's only see the fight and not listen to the crowd or hear them cheer when ever their man throw's a punch.

[Kalan]

I thought Santa Cruz would get the decision because he's a North American and the fight was over here...and so may judges are crooked.. I had Frampton winning 116-112 but I still thought Santa Cruz would get it because he won 4 rounds solidly... However this way they can fight a trilogy and avoid Gary Russell for a lot longer...so it made sense to let Frampton win, and I believe he's a Al Haymon fighter anyway.

I predict there'll be a rematch in the UK and Santa Cruz will get an undeserved decision, unless Frampton steps it up and beats him very clearly.

[boxingtruth]

Easily a FOTY contender.

I seem the only person to score it for LSC. I had it 115-113.

Over the moon Frampton got it though. Needs a rematch. Quality fight.

I think that's a fair score. The punch stats were neck and neck. I don't know a lot of Frampton fans can say their man was much better. It's a one point either way fight for me.

I read something the other day on a boxing site I can't remember where but the guy writing the article said he believed judge's should have to sit in sound proof booth's while judging fight's and that they should have to wear blinker's similar to the blinker's race horse's wear so they can only see whats in front of them and that way the judge's only see the fight and not listen to the crowd or hear them cheer when ever their man throw's a punch.

Haha I do believe crowd reaction can sway any observer slightly - fans included - but that's well too extreme. The great thing about the Frampton LSC fight is that it's one u can debate talk about forever. It's been a shot in the arm for boxing fans.

[boxing_rocks]

Funny enough, Sky commentators had it very close eventually going to LSC.

[watsupdoc87]

Funny enough, Sky commentators had it very close eventually going to LSC.

There still sore about the quigg fight

[Oiky]

It was a very close fight

[ClivePatrickLyons]

I think that's a fair score. The punch stats were neck and neck. I don't know a lot of Frampton fans can say their man was much better. It's a one point either way fight for me.

I read something the other day on a boxing site I can't remember where but the guy writing the article said he believed judge's should have to sit in sound proof booth's while judging fight's and that they should have to wear blinker's similar to the blinker's race horse's wear so they can only see whats in front of them and that way the judge's only see the fight and not listen to the crowd or hear them cheer when ever their man throw's a punch.

Haha I do believe crowd reaction can sway any observer slightly - fans included - but that's well too extreme. The great thing about the Frampton LSC fight is that it's one u can debate talk about forever. It's been a shot in the arm for boxing fans.

No mate whats extreme is that fighter's put their life's/health on the line every time they get in that ring for 2 incompetent judge's to score that fight 8/4 or 9/3 in round's was extreme 2 judge's sitting on their ass letting a crowd of people that are the loudest dictate who they score the round toooo thats extreme..... LIFE and HEALTH BOTH ARE MORE IMPORTANT THEN MONEY OR TITLE'S this isn't a game of marble's.

[NateJR]

I thought the fight was close, think the right guy won though. Frampton really surprised me with his ability to counter and lead, he showed some things in there I hadn't seen from him at that Level. I had it 7 to 5 in favor Frampton, could have seen it a draw or possible 8 to 4 in favor of Frampton. Very good fight though.

[NateJR]

I thought the fight was close, think the right guy won though. Frampton really surprised me with his ability to counter and lead, he showed some things in there I hadn't seen from him at that Level. I had it 7 to 5 in favor Frampton, could have seen it a draw or possible 8 to 4 in favor of Frampton. Very good fight though.

[ClivePatrickLyons]

I thought the fight was close, think the right guy won though. Frampton really surprised me with his ability to counter and lead, he showed some things in there I hadn't seen from him at that Level. I had it 7 to 5 in favor Frampton, could have seen it a draw or possible 8 to 4 in favor of Frampton. Very good fight though.

It was a close fight with quite a few close round's.......... I was on the edge of my seat more than once I gave the first 5 round's to Frampton round's 6/7/8/10/11/12 I gave to Cruz with round 9 even 115/114 a win for Cruz even though I think those two judge's were wrong with their score's i'v certainly seen much worst I think I would have been more pissed if those two judge's gave Cruz the fight by margin's of 8/4 or 9/3 the rematch will be a fight to look forward too

[BAD INTENTIONS]

Can't see any scores for LSC. My stretch scoring allowed for a draw.
Not giving Frampton at least 6 rounds doesn't make much sense to me.

I'm sorry. As I feel when Floyd and Hopkins are fighting.
Clean punches that stop the other fighters momentum score more.
It is the most effective type of landed punch that doesn't hurt or score a KD.
LSC landed 50% garbage/partial scores. If Frampton was a little bit better (see below),
those punches wouldn't even had landed.

Frampton looked like a very slow and technically clumsy version of Rigo in there.

[jockpunk]

I had it a draw. There were some very close rounds that I gave to santa cruz that could have went the other way which they apparently did on two of the judges cards.

[Oiky]

it was close enough to definitely warrant a rematch