Rocky's got the X FACTOR

Crease · Post by **Crease** » 24 Feb 2006, 10:53

Here's some stories about the late Rocky Marciano...

Before stepping into the ring to fight Joe Louis, earlier that day, Rocky siad" This is the last guy on Earh I wanna fight".
After KOing Louis, Rocky drank champagne with him at a party and burst out into tears because he didn't want to go down in history as the man who finished his childhood hero, Joe Louis.

Rocky didn't want to fight Archie Moore, he wnated to retire BUT Moore was exclaiming that Marciano didn't wanna face him and that he would put the Rock down... So they fought, look what happened.

When interviewed about fighting the-then world champion, Sonny Liston, Rocky said,

"If I siad I could beat him, I'd be bragging,
if I said I couldn't I'd be lying"!

At a gym (I think it was) Rocky and Sonny Liston were together with members of the public and Soony Liston was aked to say a few words about Marciano. Sonny Liston said he punched hardrer than the Rock and therfore he would ultimately win...

Rocky got up lifted his gloves and siad to Liston,
"Grab your gear" and stepped intot he ring.
Sonny Liston didn't raise to the occasion...

Check ou the wig story...
http://www.geocities.com/Colosseum/Aren ... irock.html

Rocky didn't believe in sissy-fighting (slagging off each other, disrespecting each other) Rocky though of fighting as his job he respected each and every fighter he foguht, he would drink with them, party with them afterward and even commend them.

But inside the ring there was only 1 Marciano...And everyone knew it...

surf-bat · Post by **surf-bat** » 25 Feb 2006, 05:40

Crease wrote:Here's some stories about the late Rocky Marciano...

Before stepping into the ring to fight Joe Louis, earlier that day, Rocky siad" This is the last guy on Earh I wanna fight".
After KOing Louis, Rocky drank champagne with him at a party and burst out into tears because he didn't want to go down in history as the man who finished his childhood hero, Joe Louis.

Rocky didn't want to fight Archie Moore, he wnated to retire BUT Moore was exclaiming that Marciano didn't wanna face him and that he would put the Rock down... So they fought, look what happened.

When interviewed about fighting the-then world champion, Sonny Liston, Rocky said,

"If I siad I could beat him, I'd be bragging,
if I said I couldn't I'd be lying"!

At a gym (I think it was) Rocky and Sonny Liston were together with members of the public and Soony Liston was aked to say a few words about Marciano. Sonny Liston said he punched hardrer than the Rock and therfore he would ultimately win...

Rocky got up lifted his gloves and siad to Liston,
"Grab your gear" and stepped intot he ring.
Sonny Liston didn't raise to the occasion...

Check ou the wig story...
http://www.geocities.com/Colosseum/Aren ... irock.html

Rocky didn't believe in sissy-fighting (slagging off each other, disrespecting each other) Rocky though of fighting as his job he respected each and every fighter he foguht, he would drink with them, party with them afterward and even commend them.

But inside the ring there was only 1 Marciano...And everyone knew it...

I highly doubt that this Liston/Marciano encounter happened. Sonny would have no reason to fear an old, retired Marciano(nor a prime one, IMO). You'd have to show me some hard proof of this incident. Writers love to create their own scenarios.

theone · Post by **theone** » 25 Feb 2006, 09:08

When interviewed about fighting the-then world champion, Sonny Liston, Rocky said,
"If I siad I could beat him, I'd be bragging,
if I said I couldn't I'd be lying"!
At a gym (I think it was) Rocky and Sonny Liston were together with members of the public and Soony Liston was aked to say a few words about Marciano. Sonny Liston said he punched hardrer than the Rock and therfore he would ultimately win...
Rocky got up lifted his gloves and siad to Liston,
"Grab your gear" and stepped intot he ring.
Sonny Liston didn't raise to the occasion...

Regardless of whether Marciano really made the quote, or if the subsequent incident ever really happened, both are as relevent as the fact that Ali beat Superman in a 1970's DC comic.

HomicideHenry · Post by **HomicideHenry** » 26 Feb 2006, 22:49

I know the following did happen after Marciano retired:

1.) Floyd Patterson called him out
2.) There was a deal made that if Ingemar Johansson could beat Patterson in the rematch, that Marciano would face him
3.) Sonny Liston also called out Marciano

As far as genuine encounters between these men, I do not know, but I remember when Muhammad Ali was on the rise Marciano, Ali, Patterson and Chuvalo all sat in same room watching Patterson's fight against Chuvalo---and Ali was boasting that the Rock could whip both Patterson and Chuvalo on the same night.

Marciano, always the gentleman and quiet man he was, said that Patterson was a great fighter, as was Chuvalo and said nothing more.

Marciano never felt it was necessary to brag or boast of say that he could have destroyed his opponents---Marciano was once asked before facing a fellow fighter if he was going to knock out his opponent and The Rock said simply "I will try to win". The ONLY time I can ever recall Marciano ever implying anything remotely that he could whip anybody was AFTER filming of the Marciano/Ali SUPERFIGHT and Marciano said to his brothers:

"He's a good kid, talks too much, but in my prime I could have killed him."

ferocity · Post by **ferocity** » 26 Feb 2006, 23:49

"If I siad I could beat him, I'd be bragging,
if I said I couldn't I'd be lying"!

Great quote.

Regardless of what one thinks about Rocky, one thing is for sure the guy could fight.

BrocktonBlockbuster49 · Post by **BrocktonBlockbuster49** » 27 Feb 2006, 02:33

ferocity wrote:
"If I siad I could beat him, I'd be bragging,
if I said I couldn't I'd be lying"!

Great quote.

Regardless of what one thinks about Rocky, one thing is for sure the guy could fight.

defintley one of my favorite quotes. I love how in this quote, rocky says he would beat patterson without actually saying he would beat him.

marciano said that to a group of students when they asked how he would do vs current champ floyd patterson

BrocktonBlockbuster49 · Post by **BrocktonBlockbuster49** » 27 Feb 2006, 02:53

2.) There was a deal made that if Ingemar Johansson could beat Patterson in the rematch, that Marciano would face him

marciano was not going to fight ingo EVEN if ingo won.

when rocky retired, his uncle told him " do me a favor rocky? stay in shape. maybe u dont want it now, but someday there going to offer you a lot of money to fight again. and your going to want to make a comeback."

rocky said "ill never make a comeback uncle mike. Ive seen it happen to the other fighters who tried to come back. Ive got too many good memories for that."

Uncle mike said "you will. Remember i told you so. because all fighters want to make a comeback."

well for 3 years rocky kept his promise until ingemar flattened patterson in 3 rounds to win the title.

"hes ackward. hes clumsly. he looks like an amatuer" - marciano said of ingo.

After the fight, rocky went to grossinger's with Johannsen to celebrate the champions new victory. for several days, he was observed constantly in ingemars company. He basked amid the parties, celebrities, autograph seekers, and others who clamored for the attention of the champion. His mind reveled in memories of past glories, and the dormant hunger came rushing back to his lions.

when rocky returned to brockton, rocky confronted his uncle........

"im going to make a comeback Mike. this guy johannsens nothing. he looks like an amatuer. he doesnt even think tough. what the hell did i retire for?" - rocky

" rocky, your too far gone. are you crazy? youve been eating this rich italian food, partying, chasing the broads, staying up all hours of the night. you cant make a comeback." - Uncle Mike

"you watch, Im gonna get in shape and make a comeback"- rocky told his uncle

Rocky worked out for a month-running every day, sweating in the gym, punching the heavy bag until his arms were leadin. finally rocky confronted his uncle again.........

"you're right mike. Its too tough. the hell with it. I could never get in shape. Not the kind of shape I'd want to be in. And I'd never fight under any other conditions. not for any amount of dough." - rocky

also, had marciano decided to fight ingo, lou duva would have been rockys manager/trainer.

HomicideHenry · Post by **HomicideHenry** » 27 Feb 2006, 15:14

I think Marciano would have beat Johanson. Ingemar had one good punch and that was a right hook that was telegraphed. When it landed people dropped---but who the hell couldnt see it coming is beyond me.

Marciano no shape or good shape or best would have taken a few good shots but soone ror later he would have gotten in the body work and worn Ingo down and blasted him.

BrocktonBlockbuster49 · Post by **BrocktonBlockbuster49** » 27 Feb 2006, 16:27

IrishRufusMurphy wrote:I think Marciano would have beat Johanson. Ingemar had one good punch and that was a right hook that was telegraphed. When it landed people dropped---but who the hell couldnt see it coming is beyond me.

Marciano no shape or good shape or best would have taken a few good shots but soone ror later he would have gotten in the body work and worn Ingo down and blasted him.

it would have been questionable

i mean marciano would have been coming off of 6 year years of ring rust, and at 38 years of age. i am not sure if a fighter that old and rusty can take on a prime fighter like ingo who was a very good powerful heavyweight himself.

Jaclem · Post by **Jaclem** » 28 Feb 2006, 03:00

..aw come on...if rocky said that to liston and if liston took him seriously, sonny would have been arrested for manslaughter.

BrocktonBlockbuster49 · Post by **BrocktonBlockbuster49** » 01 Mar 2006, 02:27

Decagon wrote:
Jaclem wrote:..aw come on...if rocky said that to liston and if liston took him seriously, sonny would have been arrested for manslaughter.
Perhaps Rocky challenging Liston was evidence of his predestination to die of decapitation.

o shut up,

the truth is if rocky and liston ever fought, it would have been a great fight that could have gone either way. anyone who thinks this will be a blowout either way is not being realistic. and marciano wasnt patterson, he isnt just going to roll over in 2 rounds. and its not like listons unbreakable, 175lb marty marshall floored him, others like bert whitehurst staggered liston, and cleveland williams was able to get some big shots in on him but he didnt have the all around punching skills marciano had to sustain the attack. liston also never proved he could win a fight when he gets in real adversity. what happens if the fight goes to the later rounds, how will liston react? will he quit when the going gets tough? plenty of less durable guys were able to go the distance with liston, yet because hes rocky marciano he rolls over in 2-3 rounds.

some of u guys crack me up. u make marciano look like a puny little wimp who will roll over to some of these big guys without a fight. thats just ridiculous. marcianos style was designed to break guys spirits like a mentally fragile liston.

even though we never saw marciano badly hurt or close to being stopped on film, we just have to assume he will be knocked out cold once he gets in with an elite puncher.

marcianos combination of heart/chin/recup powers will make him very hard for even the best punchers in history to knock out.

Jaclem · Post by **Jaclem** » 01 Mar 2006, 02:33

..i was referring to the time that the alleged marciano/liston situation took place...when rocky was in retirement.

i do think liston would have beaten marciano each in his prime...but that's a different discussion.

BrocktonBlockbuster49 · Post by **BrocktonBlockbuster49** » 01 Mar 2006, 02:52

Jaclem wrote:..i was referring to the time that the alleged marciano/liston situation took place...when rocky was in retirement.

i do think liston would have beaten marciano each in his prime...but that's a different discussion.

jaclem buddy, i know what u were talking about. and of course liston would have destroyed an old fat rocky.

as far as ur opinion goes jaclem, i respect ur well qualified opinion. in my own opinion, i think a prime marciano vs liston can go either way and i am undecided on it . so I cant say I disagree with your opinion, a liston victory is very likely. he brings to the table many physical attributes along with skills marciano has never seen before.

My previous post was intended to decagon because he thinks its funny to make fun of people who get decapitated in plane crashes. you know man, thats just something not to joke about.

Jaclem · Post by **Jaclem** » 01 Mar 2006, 02:57

...agreed..rocky's death was a tragedy....in the prime o f his life with so manyt good years ahead of him.

i've done my share of dark humor in my time and will again....but not in a context like this.

BrocktonBlockbuster49 · Post by **BrocktonBlockbuster49** » 01 Mar 2006, 03:05

jaclem, can u imagine if rocky was alive and at the press conference when larry holmes said "marciano cant carry my jock strap." you know the rock and the way he never took shit from anyone. well what would have happened was we would have seen a 63 year old rocky marciano get up from his chair and charge after holmes throwing huge suzieQs and either A. holmes gets mad and knocks the VERY old man out cold quickly or B. holmes decides to toy with the 60 year old men hitting him with bitch jabs and slaps in the face or C. old man Rocky nails holmes in the balls with a suzieQ and marciano's italian friends join in and beat the shit out of larry on the ground

which is it?

A
B
C

BrocktonBlockbuster49 · Post by **BrocktonBlockbuster49** » 01 Mar 2006, 03:26

Decagon wrote:Holmes would DESTROY Marciano in a streetfight, even if Rocky wasn't 63.

hhaaha are u kidding me, rocky would kill larry in a street fight!

do u honestly think ali could beat frazier in a street fight?

- then again, its too bad we didnt get to see a holmes-berbick street fight when holmes jumped over the car

theone · Post by **theone** » 01 Mar 2006, 07:20

hhaaha are u kidding me, rocky would kill larry in a street fight!

I could easily see it. Imagine Holmes landing bare handed punches on Maricianos face. The Rocks grill would split open like a pinata.

theone · Post by **theone** » 01 Mar 2006, 07:52

marciano wasnt patterson, he isnt just going to roll over in 2 rounds.

Silly statement. First of all Patterson didnt roll over, he was run over. I dont know if your hinting at a lack of heart on Pattersons part, but Floyd had as much heart if not more than the rock. Patterson didnt have to fight Liston but chose to, aleinating some of the people closest to him. He did it because it was the right thing to do. And even after that one sided thrashing, he fought him again, probably knowing he had little chance of reverising the results.

175lb marty marshall floored him, others like bert whitehurst staggered liston, and cleveland williams was able to get some big shots in on him

Marshell was not that light when he fough Liston, you know that. Marshell was also an experienced veteran and Liston hadnt even had 10 fights when he fought Marshall the first two times. I dont know anything abvout the Whitehusrt fights except that Liston one them both so I wont comment. So he took some good shots from Williams...whats the point?

even though we never saw marciano badly hurt or close to being stopped on film, we just have to assume he will be knocked out cold once he gets in with an elite puncher.

An elite puncher who was bigger stronger a much better boxer and had a staggering 17 inch reach advantage on him.

BrocktonBlockbuster49 · Post by **BrocktonBlockbuster49** » 01 Mar 2006, 12:37

theone wrote:
hhaaha are u kidding me, rocky would kill larry in a street fight!
I could easily see it. Imagine Holmes landing bare handed punches on Maricianos face. The Rocks grill would split open like a pinata.

this is a street fight, not a boxing match. this would be a total advantage to marciano who is more of a street brawler than a polished guy like holmes.

rocky was too dirty, crazy, and tough for holmes to beat him in a street fight. remember in a street fight, anything goes.

would u honesty mess with the following guys in the street

carmen basillio
jake lamotta
rocky marciano
gene fullmer

i sure as hell wouldnt. these are the type of guys who would do anything possible to win on the street and would always keep coming.

Jaclem · Post by **Jaclem** » 01 Mar 2006, 13:30

..decagon...yeah...i said manslaughter.....which didn't bring up rocky's death in an airplane crash, which your decapitation did. even my manslaughter comment was more in the exaggeration trash talk vein than your reference.

now...for my own dark humor....how many abortions did your mother have when she saw how you turned out?

(...and you're not even one of my foes on this forum...)

BrocktonBlockbuster49 · Post by **BrocktonBlockbuster49** » 01 Mar 2006, 13:38

theone wrote:
marciano wasnt patterson, he isnt just going to roll over in 2 rounds.
Silly statement. First of all Patterson didnt roll over, he was run over. I dont know if your hinting at a lack of heart on Pattersons part, but Floyd had as much heart if not more than the rock. Patterson didnt have to fight Liston but chose to, aleinating some of the people closest to him. He did it because it was the right thing to do. And even after that one sided thrashing, he fought him again, probably knowing he had little chance of reverising the results.

patterson has a ton of heart and is the most classiest man ever. however, he entered the liston fight knowing he was going to lose. he simply froze up and was scared to death.

Patterson was scared, forgot what he was doing and went into slugger mode vs liston. he went straight into liston like a idiot. patterson trying to fight liston that way is like suicide! patterson should have boxed, hes a good classical boxer.

Marshell was not that light when he fough Liston, you know that. Marshell was also an experienced veteran and Liston hadnt even had 10 fights when he fought Marshall the first two times. I dont know anything abvout the Whitehusrt fights except that Liston one them both so I wont comment. So he took some good shots from Williams...whats the point?

marshall was officially 181lb.

my point here is not to degrade listons chin, but its too show you that he can be floored and can be hurt. So i would assume an elite puncher like marciano defintley poses a big threat to liston also. liston also has to be very cautious and weary of marcianos power, because marciano is very capable of knocking him out. even if u dont think marciano can possibly win, u have to give him that punchers chance at least.

An elite puncher who was bigger stronger a much better boxer and had a staggering 17 inch reach advantage on him.

its not that simple. just because of the phyisical limitations, its not like it will be a cakewalk for liston. marciano throughout his career gave up big physical advantages. he never gave up a guy with physical advantages with the skills of liston, but just because he didnt doesnt mean we automatically assume he cant.

listons 6'1 212lb
marcianos 5'11 185lb

its not like liston towers over marciano. listons reach advantage however will pose a big problem for marciano. marciano is strongest enough to hold his own with liston. just because liston is bigger doesnt make him stronger. marciano was one of the strongest p4p guys of all time and was stronger than many men listons size. i doubt listons much stronger than marciano at all. both charles and moore who fought many big strong men called 185lb marciano the strongest they ever fought. any man who got in the ring with marciano said he was so strong.

I think one of the biggest areas marciano is underated today is in the strength department. because he was only 185lb, people dont think he was as strong as some of those over 200lb men, which is far from the truth. people make such a big deal of marcianos stamina that it becomes overated sometimes, and they forget about other attributes like his strength.

the strength difference in this fight is minimal. besides, liston does not want to be using his size and strength on marciano and try to wear him out in the clinches. marciano was a monster in the clinches and inside fighting. listons plan would be to keep him at a distance or at mid range where he holds huge physical advantages over rock. the last thing sonny wants to do is let marciano get close where marcianos physical limitations will give him the advantage. rockys arms were so short, he had incredible leverage on inside.

- just remember, marciano made a living of giving up huge reach advantages his entire career but he the reach difference never seemed to be a problem. now granted, marciano never faced a man with listons reach WITH the skill of liston.

marciano has alot of physical attributes to go along with skill that he will have to overcome in this liston fight. marciano never fought a guy of listons size with the power, skill of liston. this will be very interesting to see if marciano can deal with it or not.

however one must look at the other side of things. liston also never faced anyone like marciano who will drain every ounce of energy and life from your body and bring your body and mind to a level beyond fatigue and quit. liston is unproven of winning a tough fight in the line of adversity. he never before went through a lot of adversity to win a fight . surviving one rounds of bombs from williams is not what i call winnig a tough fight. williams never even floored liston or kept up the pressure. im talking about a fight where he was in danger of losing and had to dig deep down and show what kind of champion he was. the only time liston was in that situation he quit. marciano brings to the table a combination of power, skill, stamina, heart liston has never seen before.

listons physical advantages make things easier for him, but wut happends if the fight enters the mid rounds, and then the late rounds? the later the fight goes, the more it favors rocky. what happens in the championship rounds if liston is tired and marciano is all over him throwing a million punches at once, will liston lose his focus and fall apart? will liston be able to handle that pressure and be able to win the fight at any part of the fight? rocky is going to really test sonny mentally. sonny in this fight will prove just how tough and how much heart he really has.

I also think the 51-52 slugger version of marciano matches up better with liston than the 54-55 swarmer accumaltive puncher he later became.

a much better boxer

well yes, but charles, walcott, and moore were 100x better boxers than marciano and rocky still beat them. in fact, all 3 were better classical boxers than liston. its listons skills combined his size and power that makes him more deadly than those 3 guys.

but just because liston is a better boxer doesnt mean he could outpoint rocky. rocky because of his unusual style was VERY hard to outpoint over 15. this is another area where i feel marciano is underated. many people because of marcianos lack of "classical boxing skills" think some of the better heavies can outpoint him over 15. but people dont realize, marcianos combination of stamina, punchrate, workrate, power make him extremley hard to outpoint over 15.

against charles, he completley dominated the last 5 rounds which charles clinging for his life. only because charles had so much heart,stamina, and ring smarts was he able to last the distance. after 14 gruelling rounds, marciano in the 15th round of there fight threw nearly 100 punches! thats incredible! now imagine a fighter who was in that same situation charles was in. most dont have the experience, ring smarts, and condition charles had to survive . so can you only imagine a dead tired fighter trying to ward off 80-100 KO punches? no way most heavyweights(especially big ones) could survive marcianos combination of power, workrate, and punch rate in the championship rounds.

my point is, marciano is very hard to outpoint simply because he throws so many punches, is so aggresive, such a high workrate, and his punches hurt. i mean its very tough to win rounds against a guy like rock, especially in the late rounds.

walcott may have been outpointing marciano, but remember if u take away the 3 rounds marciano lost because of blindess, the scorecards are even.

liston proved against eddie machen how hard he is to outpoint. liston put up a good workrate and completey outboxed a masterboxer like eddie machen.

Collins2000 · Post by **Collins2000** » 01 Mar 2006, 17:14

BrocktonBlockbuster49 wrote:jaclem, can u imagine if rocky was alive and at the press conference when larry holmes said "marciano cant carry my jock strap." you know the rock and the way he never took shit from anyone. well what would have happened was we would have seen a 63 year old rocky marciano get up from his chair and charge after holmes throwing huge suzieQs and either A. holmes gets mad and knocks the VERY old man out cold quickly or B. holmes decides to toy with the 60 year old men hitting him with bitch jabs and slaps in the face or C. old man Rocky nails holmes in the balls with a suzieQ and marciano's italian friends join in and beat the shit out of larry on the ground

which is it?

A
B
C

I'd say D - Rocky just grins wryly and says "He's a good guy really. A worthy champ. He just feels a little unloved at the moment. I'll invite him and his wife over to my restaurant later for some great Italian food and a good chat. We'll get on just fine."

theone · Post by **theone** » 01 Mar 2006, 18:49

I say E- Rockys friends wisely old him back to stop him from making an old ass fool out of himself.

HomicideHenry · Post by **HomicideHenry** » 02 Mar 2006, 00:24

Marciano vs Liston....would be a great slug fest.

Liston's jab was one of the best in heavyweight division. I have even heard stories that Liston could knock a man out with that jab. He was really strong---I heard that he had to wear 20 ounce gloves and his sparring partners had to wear chest protectors when he trained with them.

I have seen alot of Liston fights, and myself outside of that jab and his sullen look and power---the man had little else. The man was like a moder day Tyson, his greatest weapon wasn't skill or power, it was the ACT he put on. He intimidated people. He had them fear him.

Marciano was not one to be intimidated, in Marciano's era, real tough guys never had to prove that they were tough---they just did what they had to do---they didn't act like KING KONG and act like a thug.

Like with Ali, I think Liston would be confused by Marciano, as the "Rock" never showed fear and never took a step back and could take so much punishment---it would be like when Tyson fought Douglas and Tyson broke down when he realised Buster wasn't going to fold over.

Liston was weak mentally. Marciano was tough both physically and mentally---his whole life he had to over come odds. He was told he was too short, yet he beat guys like Carmine Vingo who was 6'4". They said he was too light yet he beat and dropped men over 200 pounds. They said he was too damn clumsy, yet he beat the best boxers of skill.

Besides many men Marciano fought said he was the hardest puncher they ever faced---I think I read an article once, where they said they wanted to test Marciano's punching power and the machine came back saying that "The Rock's" punch was equal to that of an armor piercing shell fired from a gun.

Plus his style of fighting from a crouch and bobbing and weaving was so unorthodox it was hard as hell for any man, skillful or not, to figure out how to beat him.

I don't see Marciano being scared of Liston or having a problem with Liston---cus ffs how would the Rock be intimidated? What was Al Weil or anyone gonna tell him? "Don't fight this guy Rocky he's too strong and he's an ugly mean mother fornicator?"

I don't think so. Marciano and Liston are alot alike---Liston was a thug and did odd jobs on the side for gangsters---Marciano had ties with the mob (meaning the mob were behind Marciano). So where really is the intimidation?

Floyd Patterson may well have had heart, cus there were alot of fights he was knocked down and kept getting up again---but let's face it, outside of being one of the fastest and skilled boxers at Heavyweight, Patterson had one of the biggest glass jaws next to Frank Bruno.

Patterson is in my opinion a very over-rated fighter, and he was a better fighter AFTER he lost the title, than he was as champion. He fought greater opposition after he lost that belt than when he had it.

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Myself I think this is how it would go:

Marciano would lose a few rounds, due to that jab, but sooner or later he would find his niche and start attacking the body and after a few more rounds bring it back to an even fight---in the later rounds he would build up a tremendous lead---thus Liston would start to break down mentally.

Marciano would bring it on and on, and hurt Liston bad. Liston gives up in between rounds, because he realises he cant put away the "Rock" as easy as everyone else he fought---and knows he is losing and that the fight is too tough.

Thus a Marciano win via TKO in the late rounds. Hell he did it twice against Ali, I could only imagine the world of hurt Marciano would have done to him. Ali just confused and frustrated Liston cus he was too damn fast---this fight would be Liston pissed off, bruised ego, and beaten up and giving up or giving in after realising no matter how hard he punches and how big a growl he makes he cant put away Marciano.

BrocktonBlockbuster49 · Post by **BrocktonBlockbuster49** » 02 Mar 2006, 02:00

and the machine came back saying that "The Rock's" punch was equal to that of an armor piercing shell fired from a gun.

actually thats a little off, but enough to make people laugh at that statement.

the correct term is rock's punch was equal to the ENERGY of armor piercing shell fired from a gun.

its complicated stuff, but its different.

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