Who is The #1 Heavyweight of All Time?

[gilgamesh]

Yes... He retired very healthy, wealthy, and maybe happy... But his ATG ranking dipped because he reneged on the rematch he promised Vitali Klitschko

I doubt Lennox has had any sleepless nights worring about his ATG ranking.

He didn't lose anything either. Beating the dogshit out of Vitali for his swan song elevated him. Very decisive win, no need for another.

And it has to be noted he beat Vitali on a note when he wasn't even in especially great shape. He had obviously been lax in his training when he thought his opponent was gonna be Kirk Johnson, so even a past prime, not in the best shape Lennox Lewis had enough to slice up and stop Vitali. The rematch would've in all likelihood been more decisive as he would've prepared more for a dangerous opponent.

[crusader]

I doubt Lennox has had any sleepless nights worring about his ATG ranking.

He didn't lose anything either. Beating the dogshit out of Vitali for his swan song elevated him. Very decisive win, no need for another.

And it has to be noted he beat Vitali on a note when he wasn't even in especially great shape. He had obviously been lax in his training when he thought his opponent was gonna be Kirk Johnson, so even a past prime, not in the best shape Lennox Lewis had enough to slice up and stop Vitali. The rematch would've in all likelihood been more decisive as he would've prepared more for a dangerous opponent.

Didn't Vitali prepare for Cedric Boswell though? It goes both ways.

[gilgamesh]

He didn't lose anything either. Beating the dogshit out of Vitali for his swan song elevated him. Very decisive win, no need for another.

And it has to be noted he beat Vitali on a note when he wasn't even in especially great shape. He had obviously been lax in his training when he thought his opponent was gonna be Kirk Johnson, so even a past prime, not in the best shape Lennox Lewis had enough to slice up and stop Vitali. The rematch would've in all likelihood been more decisive as he would've prepared more for a dangerous opponent.

Didn't Vitali prepare for Cedric Boswell though? It goes both ways.

Yes he did. His fight was initially scheduled to take place on June 7th I think. He did seem in significantly better shape than Lennox, but yes neither of them had much time to prepare for the new style. I'm just commenting on the conditioning. It seemed obvious Vitali was in better condition that night.

[Kalan]

Utter baloney about Lewis beating Vitali... If he felt he won he would have fought a rematch for 5 X the money... They had no time to promote the fight.

Watch the video.. Vitali was winning on ALL SCORECARDS and nearly knocked Lewis out in the first 2 rounds... Steward told Lewis to "take it to the streets." That's when Lewis came out in the 3rd round and threw the twisting thumb strike with his right glove on VK's left eyelid... then he immediately grabbed Klitschko's neck in a headlock and rubbed his head and hair into the nick... then still holding Vitali's head around the neck did a holding and hitting foul combined with a palm rake foul over the face ripping open 3 cuts.. 2 on the eyelid and one on the cheek.. After they came out of the clinch Vitali was pouring blood.. The referee, Lou Moret, was in Lewis's pocket..

Vitali never lost another fight on cuts and Lewis never won another fight on cuts... Lewis hit Mavrovic for 12 rounds without inflicting a single nick... When fouls contribute to a cut, intentional or unintentional, the fight goes to the scorecards if the fight is stopped after 4 rounds... Vitali Klitschko win a UNANIMOUS TECHNICAL DECISION!!!!

[Kalan]

If you take this poll again in 10 years Joshua will have all the votes... I don't expect him to get beaten by people like Ken Norton and Leon Spinks.

[SteveO]

Utter baloney about Lewis beating Vitali... If he felt he won he would have fought a rematch for 5 X the money... They had no time to promote the fight.

After the Klitschko fight Lewis knew for sure that his best days were over.
I guess he wasn't interested in continuing his boxing career because he could now retire as champion, having beaten every professional boxer he faced, and as a very healthy multi-millionaire.
Over the years he has had some big money offers to return to the ring but refused them all. A very wise man IMO.

[Kalan]

He was wise alright... Because Klitschko would have destroyed him with a vengeance... The first fight should have gone to the scorecards because fouls obviously contributed to those deep jagged cuts on the left side of VK's face---all in the same direction as the holding and hitting palm slash in the video.

[SteveO]

I also think Vitali would have won if there had been a rematch but we'll never know for sure.
Lewis probably thought so too and decided to retire as champion. Can't blame him for that.

[Ambling Alp II]

I think Lewis would have showed up in shape and the fight would have been a one-sided beat down and lasted less time than the first time. Nobody was crying for rematch at the time.

[Kalan]

LMFAO!!!!! ... EVERYBODY wanted a rematch... EXCEPT LEWIS!!!!

[Kalan]

Lewis was booed out of the arena and Vitali was cheered... Everybody knew who was winning that fight... Including all 3 judges.

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What kind of people discuss Ed 'too slow' Jones in a thread about the greatest heavyweights?

Isn't that the truth?

[Kalan]

Too Tall Jones's right hand didn't move slowly when he knocked out Fernando Montes---18-12-1---only 3 weeks into his Boxing career... No ranked Heavyweight who Montes EVER fought finished him that quickly... You could call him Ed "Too Fast" Jones because he polished him off in a flash.

[gilgamesh]

Too Tall Jones's right hand didn't move slowly when he knocked out Fernando Montes---18-12-1---only 3 weeks into his Boxing career... No ranked Heavyweight who Montes EVER fought finished him that quickly... You could call him Ed "Too Fast" Jones because he polished him off in a flash.

Or you could call him a Football Player, and stop mentioning him in a thread about Top Heavyweight BOXERS

[hhaehre]

Lewis was booed out of the arena and Vitali was cheered... Everybody knew who was winning that fight... Including all 3 judges.

Vitali got his ass kicked to the point where he looked like a gargoyle and 13 years later you are still crying about it like a little bitch. It happened, get over it.

[tiny_acres]

Lewis was booed out of the arena and Vitali was cheered... Everybody knew who was winning that fight... Including all 3 judges.

Vitali got his ass kicked to the point where he looked like a gargoyle and 13 years later you are still crying about it like a little bitch. It happened, get over it.

Lewis won a hard battle. Vitali looked like he was in a car accident after the fight.
This is one of those what if scenarios that doesn't matter.
Because we know what happened and it was a good stoppage

[gilgamesh]

Lewis was booed out of the arena and Vitali was cheered... Everybody knew who was winning that fight... Including all 3 judges.

Vitali got his ass kicked to the point where he looked like a gargoyle and 13 years later you are still crying about it like a little bitch. It happened, get over it.

Yeah it doesn't matter if you were winning when your face is ripped to shreds and there's still half the fight left to go.

[Kalan]

Too Tall Jones's right hand didn't move slowly when he knocked out Fernando Montes---18-12-1---only 3 weeks into his Boxing career... No ranked Heavyweight who Montes EVER fought finished him that quickly... You could call him Ed "Too Fast" Jones because he polished him off in a flash.

Or you could call him a Football Player, and stop mentioning him in a thread about Top Heavyweight BOXERS

I didn't bring Too Tall Jones up... It was that idiot Tomasino... Plus Too Tall Jones was a professional Heavyweight Boxer for almost 3 months while the Boxing Establishment moved in to Back Ball him... Too Tall was 6-0 with 5 KO wins in his short stint...a formidable start to a budding Boxing career if he could have gotten appropriate opponents... Some of the Cowboy's Super Bowl winning teams didn't win their first 6 games... Normally a boxer who starts 6-0 can get appropriate fights...and doesn't get black balled... You can't become the #1 Heavyweight of all time if your career is shut down by sinister forces within Boxing - who are protecting their interests in world champions and top contenders.

The best Heavyweight ever needs: height, weight, reach, size, strength, speed, power, skill, intelligence, a body attack, an inside game, a great defense, no holes in his game, a great work ethic, fabulous conditioning---and he can't be an old man like Luis Ortiz ... Who fills this bill? Anthony Joshua.

Frankly...there's never been another Heavyweight who matches all those criterion as well as AJ... Try to point one out a single Heavyweight.

[Kalan]

Lewis was booed out of the arena and Vitali was cheered... Everybody knew who was winning that fight... Including all 3 judges.

Vitali got his ass kicked to the point where he looked like a gargoyle and 13 years later you are still crying about it like a little bitch. It happened, get over it.

Yeah it doesn't matter if you were winning when your face is ripped to shreds and there's still half the fight left to go.

It DOES matter if your cuts were caused by a thumb strike... a headlock, headwork, and a holding and hitting with a palm rake. All the damage to Vitali's face came within 4 seconds.. if you check the video below out at the 10:00 minute mark you see the reason Lewis was concerned.. Vitali was starting to zero in with his right hand and was finding Lewis's chin...and Lewis lost the first 2 rounds.. Lewis came out for the 3rd and at 10:17 lands a thumb strike to Vitali's left eye... Lewis pulls Klitschko into a clinch and rubs his head and hair into the nick he opened at 10:19... Then at 10:20 He does a holding and hitting palm slash on Vitali face.. The 3 cuts on Vitali's face all came from that 3 or 4 seconds of 4 distinct fouls.

Start at the 10 minute mark... run through 10:21: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=alzu9t1CmRM

They used to have videos up of the thumb strike and palm slash in slo-motion detail... They've taken them down for some reason... BTW, even accidental fouls that cause cuts go to the scorecards... Such as Andre Ward's accidental headbutts of Mikkel Kessler took that fight to the scorecards.

[gilgamesh]

Vitali got his ass kicked to the point where he looked like a gargoyle and 13 years later you are still crying about it like a little bitch. It happened, get over it.

Yeah it doesn't matter if you were winning when your face is ripped to shreds and there's still half the fight left to go.

It DOES matter if your cuts were caused by a thumb strike... a headlock, headwork, and a holding and hitting with a palm rake. All the damage to Vitali's face came within 4 seconds.. if you check the video below out at the 10:00 minute mark you see the reason Lewis was concerned.. Vitali was starting to zero in with his right hand and was finding Lewis's chin...and Lewis lost the first 2 rounds.. Lewis came out for the 3rd and at 10:17 lands a thumb strike to Vitali's left eye... Lewis pulls Klitschko into a clinch and rubs his head and hair into the nick he opened at 10:19... Then at 10:20 He does a holding and hitting palm slash on Vitali face.. The 3 cuts on Vitali's face all came from that 3 or 4 seconds of 4 distinct fouls.

Start at the 10 minute mark... run through 10:21: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=alzu9t1CmRM

They used to have videos up of the thumb strike and palm slash in slo-motion detail... They've taken them down for some reason... BTW, even accidental fouls that cause cuts go to the scorecards... Such as Andre Ward's accidental headbutts of Mikkel Kessler took that fight to the scorecards.

Just watched it. There were zero fouls in that sequence.

[hhaehre]

Vitali got his ass kicked to the point where he looked like a gargoyle and 13 years later you are still crying about it like a little bitch. It happened, get over it.

Yeah it doesn't matter if you were winning when your face is ripped to shreds and there's still half the fight left to go.

It DOES matter if your cuts were caused by a thumb strike... a headlock, headwork, and a holding and hitting with a palm rake. All the damage to Vitali's face came within 4 seconds.. if you check the video below out at the 10:00 minute mark you see the reason Lewis was concerned.. Vitali was starting to zero in with his right hand and was finding Lewis's chin...and Lewis lost the first 2 rounds.. Lewis came out for the 3rd and at 10:17 lands a thumb strike to Vitali's left eye... Lewis pulls Klitschko into a clinch and rubs his head and hair into the nick he opened at 10:19... Then at 10:20 He does a holding and hitting palm slash on Vitali face.. The 3 cuts on Vitali's face all came from that 3 or 4 seconds of 4 distinct fouls.

Start at the 10 minute mark... run through 10:21: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=alzu9t1CmRM

They used to have videos up of the thumb strike and palm slash in slo-motion detail... They've taken them down for some reason... BTW, even accidental fouls that cause cuts go to the scorecards... Such as Andre Ward's accidental headbutts of Mikkel Kessler took that fight to the scorecards.

Wipe those tears off your face and move on

[Kalan]

wipe all those brown smears off your face and move on

[hhaehre]

wipe all those brown smears off your face and move on

Projecting again are we?

[gilgamesh]

Watch the sequence in the Vitali-Lewis fight where he claims these fouls happened. There's not a foul to be found. Yes Lennox leans his head against Vitali's in a clinch, not with enough force to open up a cut or make a cut worse. Sh*t like that happens in fights all the time, and it's not a foul. As for the "he raked his face" stuff that simply didn't happen.

[Kalan]

ALL the fouls happened... The thumb strike with the right thumb... the head work - It's illegal to pull an opponent into your head... the palm rake... it's illegal to hit with any part of the glove but the end of the fist.. the edge or palm are illegal striking areas.. And it's illegal to hit your opponent while you're holding him around the neck.. If that's not holding and hitting what is??? ... You won't answer that one.