Tyson Fury charged by UKad

[TheGman]

Just let everyone take the drugs!

I'm sick of this delusional, puritanical bollocks!

It's a witch-hunt!

If I was on the gear and looked like that I want my money back.

Haha

[Sklar]

Come on if Fury was in gear before the Wlad fight he would have been caught out and stripped of the titles very quickly.

What makes you say that?

[MightyWarrior]

For someone Who clearly hates training and loves his junk food, I wouldn't be surprised if he's taking something as a shortcut to losing the weight at all.

I've always thought Bolt prob not on the gear, as imagine he is one of the most tested people in the world, and definitely the one most under the microscope

[Sklar]

I've always thought Bolt prob not on the gear, as imagine he is one of the most tested people in the world, and definitely the one most under the microscope

TBTF perhaps? He's almost single-handedly saved athletics. All his direct competitiors get paid more with him there than witouut him there. The big boys in the IAAF boardroom definitely wouldn't want him to piss hot either.

[jamesmcdonnell]

What on earth is going on here? I can't make head nor tail of this.

To my mind I think PED's are absolutely rife in boxing, and in most athletic sports.

[jamesmcdonnell]

For someone Who clearly hates training and loves his junk food, I wouldn't be surprised if he's taking something as a shortcut to losing the weight at all.

I've always thought Bolt prob not on the gear, as imagine he is one of the most tested people in the world, and definitely the one most under the microscope

I'd like to think so, however, it's pretty well covered in 'the dirtiest race in history' that Carl Lewis was caught doping, but that his results were hidden because it would have been too detrimental to athletics for him to test positive. Without bolt Athletics would be screwed.

I hope he is clean, because the thought he isn't, is very depressing.

[jamesmcdonnell]

For someone Who clearly hates training and loves his junk food, I wouldn't be surprised if he's taking something as a shortcut to losing the weight at all.

I've always thought Bolt prob not on the gear, as imagine he is one of the most tested people in the world, and definitely the one most under the microscope

I'd like to think so, however, it's pretty well covered in 'the dirtiest race in history' that Carl Lewis was caught doping, but that his results were hidden because it would have been too detrimental to athletics for him to test positive. Without bolt Athletics would be screwed.

I hope he is clean, because the thought he isn't, is very depressing.

The one argument against him being on something, is the fact he is an absolute physical freak, a 6'5" tall sprinter with incredibly long legs, hugely powerful upper body, tiny waist, and incredible leg turnover speed, his power to weight ratio is phenomenal.

[evrenb]

For someone Who clearly hates training and loves his junk food, I wouldn't be surprised if he's taking something as a shortcut to losing the weight at all.

I've always thought Bolt prob not on the gear, as imagine he is one of the most tested people in the world, and definitely the one most under the microscope

That is not correct. How many times was lance Armstrong tested clean? However he was doping the whole way through. If you read victor contes interview with the Japan times it really falls into place how drug cheats avoid getting caught. Micro dosing is one way.

[MightyWarrior]

For someone Who clearly hates training and loves his junk food, I wouldn't be surprised if he's taking something as a shortcut to losing the weight at all.

I've always thought Bolt prob not on the gear, as imagine he is one of the most tested people in the world, and definitely the one most under the microscope

I'd like to think so, however, it's pretty well covered in 'the dirtiest race in history' that Carl Lewis was caught doping, but that his results were hidden because it would have been too detrimental to athletics for him to test positive. Without bolt Athletics would be screwed.

I hope he is clean, because the thought he isn't, is very depressing.

The one argument against him being on something, is the fact he is an absolute physical freak, a 6'5" tall sprinter with incredibly long legs, hugely powerful upper body, tiny waist, and incredible leg turnover speed, his power to weight ratio is phenomenal.

Yeah that's what I always think...wishful thinking maybe...but personally my guess is he's clean...probably

As for that scrub Armstrong, always assumed he was definitely not clean ( as did millions of others, and various news papers ) just getting away with it...the grey area with the drugs he was on for cancer, The incredible comeback times for a man who was near death a year before, The way he reacted to any type of questioning,,such as from that hero reporter at the times, with threats of lawsuits refusing to answer questions ...out and out aggression

[jamesmcdonnell]

Story just appeared on BBC news, what is clear now, is that this was NOT a witchunt by the Mirror, I think we can now put that to bed.

However, it's not clear yet precisely what the charges are, and whether he's cleared to compete.

At the end of the day only the sanctioning bodies, or the BBBofC can prevent Tyson competing.

This needs clearing up, as there's supposed to be a fight very soon.

[jamesmcdonnell]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/boxing/36970 ... name=sport

I didnt see this coming.

Hang on though, isn't this from June 26th?

[Rob3_142]

I just don't understand this whole scenario.

If he has been found guilty of taking drugs or having irregular levels, he should be hit with an immediate ban. There's no investigation, no need to take to court, nothing. I just do not understand how boxing is the only sport treated differently in terms of drugs when it can result in the most serious consequences. I mean has he had a very borderline result? Has the paper got wind of this and UKAD had to respond? Are they doing their own cover up?

Also the argument for making drugs legal is retarded. The reason drugs are banned in competition is because they are potentially fatal. You think that legalising drugs will have everyone using them sensibly? It would only result in new heights of use. Some would be so desperate for the riches of success that they wouldn't care about reducing their life by 30 years. No sporting authority would endorse the use of drugs, it's irresponsible. Would it be the athletes choice? Of course it would be, but would the sports governing bodies still be up to their armpits in law suits? You bet you!

[Counter-puncher]

For someone Who clearly hates training and loves his junk food, I wouldn't be surprised if he's taking something as a shortcut to losing the weight at all.

I've always thought Bolt prob not on the gear, as imagine he is one of the most tested people in the world, and definitely the one most under the microscope

I'd like to think so, however, it's pretty well covered in 'the dirtiest race in history' that Carl Lewis was caught doping, but that his results were hidden because it would have been too detrimental to athletics for him to test positive. Without bolt Athletics would be screwed.

I hope he is clean, because the thought he isn't, is very depressing.

The one argument against him being on something, is the fact he is an absolute physical freak, a 6'5" tall sprinter with incredibly long legs, hugely powerful upper body, tiny waist, and incredible leg turnover speed, his power to weight ratio is phenomenal.

yes, he's got incredible leg thingamagig, for a 6'5 man.

I wonder how he manages to do that?

[SAPFO]

Genetics..I know plenty of Jamaicans with a little waist and a big top.

[Old Jack J]

You have to try and make it a level playing field. Which means no place for PED 's. Not every athlete is on them. What do you feel about those people? They don't get the same chance of success.

Imagine if you brought your kid up and he excelled at a particular sport. He then tells you that in order to make a living in this game he has to take PED's just to survive. Would you tell him to do it?

I think it's unfair on the athletes to be under that pressure where that decision has to be addressed.

Then there is the question of whether today's supplements are tomorrow's banned substances? Do you look at the biological passport and back date it? EPO was once sold over the counter and wasn't tested for. It was a grey area, now it's a serious no no.

[Rob3_142]

You have to try and make it a level playing field. Which means no place for PED 's. Not every athlete is on them. What do you feel about those people? They don't get the same chance of success.

Imagine if you brought your kid up and he excelled at a particular sport. He then tells you that in order to make a living in this game he has to take PED's just to survive. Would you tell him to do it?

I think it's unfair on the athletes to be under that pressure where that decision has to be addressed.

Then there is the question of whether today's supplements are tomorrow's banned substances? Do you look at the biological passport and back date it? EPO was once sold over the counter and wasn't tested for. It was a grey area, now it's a serious no no.

If my son/daughter said to me he/she had to take PED's to survive in the sport, I'd say no. However if I was living in Ethiopia and the same question was asked, it may be a different outcome. At least in the UK you can still live a fantastic lifestyle away from sports and continue to participate as a hobby, where you can still keep your morals in tact.

The reason PED's are banned is not because they give you an edge over the opposition, as there are many ways to get an edge (altitude training, oxygen tents, the best medical care), but because they're dangerous, they're banned. Flo Jo died at the age of 38 after destroying the world records out of nowhere. Multi vitamins are not dangerous (although every vitamin/mineral has a toxicity level), and they do not directly enhance performance, so probably will never become an issue. EPO increases blood viscosity (due to the increased volume of red blood cells), so could quite easily result in high rates of heart attack.

We're moving in the right direction, I mean it wasn't that long ago that tobacco was advised by medical doctors.

[jamesmcdonnell]

Genetics..I know plenty of Jamaicans with a little waist and a big top.

It is certainly true that the Jamaicans were effectively part of a huge captive breeding program for about 2 centuries or more, only the fittest and strongest survived the journey from Africa on the slave ships, (20% routinely did not survive the journey, and the sick were thrown overboard) work in the plantations, and the strongest of those were interbred by the slave masters to produce stronger fitter slaves, and so on. So genetically you definitely have some exceptionally gifted individuals on those islands.

I don't know about PED's changing leg turnover speed, that does seem to be something people either have or don't due to biomechanics. Obviously I'm not expert, but I used to know a few athletes who said that is was something some people had, and others didnt' Guys with high leg turnover speed generally went into the shortest distances, whislt as you went up to 400 - 800 you'd have guys whose turnover was less impressive.

[jamesmcdonnell]

You have to try and make it a level playing field. Which means no place for PED 's. Not every athlete is on them. What do you feel about those people? They don't get the same chance of success.

Imagine if you brought your kid up and he excelled at a particular sport. He then tells you that in order to make a living in this game he has to take PED's just to survive. Would you tell him to do it?

I think it's unfair on the athletes to be under that pressure where that decision has to be addressed.

Then there is the question of whether today's supplements are tomorrow's banned substances? Do you look at the biological passport and back date it? EPO was once sold over the counter and wasn't tested for. It was a grey area, now it's a serious no no.

If my son/daughter said to me he/she had to take PED's to survive in the sport, I'd say no. However if I was living in Ethiopia and the same question was asked, it may be a different outcome. At least in the UK you can still live a fantastic lifestyle away from sports and continue to participate as a hobby, where you can still keep your morals in tact.

The reason PED's are banned is not because they give you an edge over the opposition, as there are many ways to get an edge (altitude training, oxygen tents, the best medical care), but because they're dangerous, they're banned. Flo Jo died at the age of 38 after destroying the world records out of nowhere. Multi vitamins are not dangerous (although every vitamin/mineral has a toxicity level), and they do not directly enhance performance, so probably will never become an issue. EPO increases blood viscosity (due to the increased volume of red blood cells), so could quite easily result in high rates of heart attack.

We're moving in the right direction, I mean it wasn't that long ago that tobacco was advised by medical doctors.

I agree with this - people who trot out the 'legalise it all' are being extremely foolish, if you just open the floodgates, then there will be zero checks and balances, and athletes will be under pressure to take as many PED's as they can without fear of being detected, to push their bodies even further. The health consequences would be disastrous.

[magwitch]

For someone Who clearly hates training and loves his junk food, I wouldn't be surprised if he's taking something as a shortcut to losing the weight at all.

I've always thought Bolt prob not on the gear, as imagine he is one of the most tested people in the world, and definitely the one most under the microscope

I'd like to think so, however, it's pretty well covered in 'the dirtiest race in history' that Carl Lewis was caught doping, but that his results were hidden because it would have been too detrimental to athletics for him to test positive. Without bolt Athletics would be screwed.

I hope he is clean, because the thought he isn't, is very depressing.

The one argument against him being on something, is the fact he is an absolute physical freak, a 6'5" tall sprinter with incredibly long legs, hugely powerful upper body, tiny waist, and incredible leg turnover speed, his power to weight ratio is phenomenal.

What’s leg turnover speed? I think you just mean speed. Yes, Bolt is a fast, fast man. To be on drugs he’d have to be mentally not all there to have the face to pull it off.
I’ve no doubts about Bolt whatsoever, clean as a whistle is my bet.

[Rob3_142]

It is certainly true that the Jamaicans were effectively part of a huge captive breeding program for about 2 centuries or more, only the fittest and strongest survived the journey from Africa on the slave ships, (20% routinely did not survive the journey, and the sick were thrown overboard) work in the plantations, and the strongest of those were interbred by the slave masters to produce stronger fitter slaves, and so on. So genetically you definitely have some exceptionally gifted individuals on those islands.

This. It's like breeding a race horse, but just less moral.

I don't know about PED's changing leg turnover speed, that does seem to be something people either have or don't due to biomechanics. Obviously I'm not expert, but I used to know a few athletes who said that is was something some people had, and others didnt' Guys with high leg turnover speed generally went into the shortest distances, whislt as you went up to 400 - 800 you'd have guys whose turnover was less impressive.

The reason why Bolt is so effective over sprints is because of the length of his levers as opposed to the speed of turnover. You need immense strength to turnover a longer lever, which PED's could come into the equation. However, I don't believe Bolt is taking PED's. One indicator of a drug taker is a rapid rise in level. Bolt has been a freak of nature since he was 14, especially when he broke 20 second in 200m at the age of 17. He's just a genuine freak of nature (in a good way).

[Rob3_142]

I'd like to think so, however, it's pretty well covered in 'the dirtiest race in history' that Carl Lewis was caught doping, but that his results were hidden because it would have been too detrimental to athletics for him to test positive. Without bolt Athletics would be screwed.

I hope he is clean, because the thought he isn't, is very depressing.

The one argument against him being on something, is the fact he is an absolute physical freak, a 6'5" tall sprinter with incredibly long legs, hugely powerful upper body, tiny waist, and incredible leg turnover speed, his power to weight ratio is phenomenal.

What’s leg turnover speed? I think you just mean speed. Yes, Bolt is a fast, fast man. To be on drugs he’d have to be mentally not all there to have the face to pull it off.
I’ve no doubts about Bolt whatsoever, clean as a whistle is my bet.

Well leg turnover speed is the number of steps you can make per minute. But it's only a contributing factor to running fast. Leg turnover x stride length = speed.

[jamesmcdonnell]

It is certainly true that the Jamaicans were effectively part of a huge captive breeding program for about 2 centuries or more, only the fittest and strongest survived the journey from Africa on the slave ships, (20% routinely did not survive the journey, and the sick were thrown overboard) work in the plantations, and the strongest of those were interbred by the slave masters to produce stronger fitter slaves, and so on. So genetically you definitely have some exceptionally gifted individuals on those islands.

This. It's like breeding a race horse, but just less moral.

I don't know about PED's changing leg turnover speed, that does seem to be something people either have or don't due to biomechanics. Obviously I'm not expert, but I used to know a few athletes who said that is was something some people had, and others didnt' Guys with high leg turnover speed generally went into the shortest distances, whislt as you went up to 400 - 800 you'd have guys whose turnover was less impressive.

The reason why Bolt is so effective over sprints is because of the length of his levers as opposed to the speed of turnover. You need immense strength to turnover a longer lever, which PED's could come into the equation. However, I don't believe Bolt is taking PED's. One indicator of a drug taker is a rapid rise in level. Bolt has been a freak of nature since he was 14, especially when he broke 20 second in 200m at the age of 17. He's just a genuine freak of nature (in a good way).

Yes, this is true, he's been smashing records since year 1. My point was that most guys with leg length like that cannot turn over quickly, in that respect Bolt is pretty much unique, though I suspect we will see other very tall sprinters coming through, as he has bucked the perceived wisdom about what build 100 meter and 200 meter sprinters should be.

However, there's been talk recently that the Jamaican national youth games needs to be drug tested, as they suspect that the youngsters are all at it. It makes sense because American coaches come to the games to pick up young talent, and so the temptation to take PED's must be extreme under those circumstances, when winning a title there can result in a scholarship to a U.S track team.

[Counter-puncher]

. Yes, Bolt is a fast, fast man. To be on drugs he’d have to be mentally not all there to have the face to pull it off.
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what in god's name are you on about?

[mickey1975]

. Yes, Bolt is a fast, fast man. To be on drugs he’d have to be mentally not all there to have the face to pull it off.
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what in god's name are you on about?

[magwitch]

. Yes, Bolt is a fast, fast man. To be on drugs he’d have to be mentally not all there to have the face to pull it off.
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what in god's name are you on about?

To be a fraud and be able to not just bear, but thrive under that level of scrutiny and adoration. I think a normal person couldn’t keep it up. Sorry if I made that too difficult to follow.