Hearns vs McCallum

[cfang]

Hearns like hagler and leonard was a superfighter - mike mc was a step below that.

I laugh at the foolishness on display here......mccallum was a very good technical boxer but hearns was a league higher.

Hearns outboxed noted technicians benitez and sugar ray leonard and a good virgil hill.

Hearns had blistering hand and foot speed, greater power and a body attack to match. The only area mccallum is,better is chin and tommys chin deficiences really set in in 1988 prior to that he had a decent chin...certainly not one I expect mccallum to dent......by 88 hearns chin had been softened up by hagler,roldan and andries in quick succession. Hearns was never ever outboxed by anyone, even ray and hagler beat him by force and brawling not boxing.

Mccalum on the other hand was outboxed by kalambay,toney and the graham fight but for fouls would have been a draw.these three were very good boxers and mccallum did rematch and beat or draw with them......but they were no peak ray leonard or benitez.add a shot don curry outboxing him for five rounds....never did u see hearns outboxed like that

I laugh at the description of watson as some master boxer.he fought a very poor fight v mccallum led with his face, it was a severe beating mike didnt lose a round.

I wish people would watch fights and fighters before commenting.

Im sure kalans response will be julian jackson.....thats his answer to everything.teehee hee

[Kalan]

Hearns like hagler and leonard was a superfighter - mike mc was a step below that

Iran Barkley WASN'T a superfighter and he beat Hearns twice with ease... McCallum would have beaten Barkley with ease -- and Hearns even easier.

[gilgamesh]

Hearns like hagler and leonard was a superfighter - mike mc was a step below that

Iran Barkley WASN'T a superfighter and he beat Hearns twice with ease... McCallum would have beaten Barkley with ease -- and Hearns even easier.

Barkley didn't beat Hearns with ease the 1st time. He caught him and won by KO, but he was getting his ass handed to him prior to that. I've never seen the 2nd fight between them.

[Counter-puncher]

He didn't beat him with ease the second time either. Nobody beat Tommy with ease.

[Kalan]

Barkley did... He easily withstood Hearns' assault in their 1st fight and bombed him out early... He floored him again in the rematch and mopped him up

McCallum had an iron chin and a brutal attack.. He made short work out of crushing punchers like Julian Jackson .. He would rip Hearns' body and batter the China-chin out in an early round.. Julian Jackson was a bigger hitter than Hearns and McCallum sneered at his power.. Much like super tough James Toney sneered at Iran Barkley before finishing the crude swinger off with little effort ... and the way Barkley sneered at Hearns before smashing him out.

[Counter-puncher]

Easily withstood? Barkleys face was ripped to shreds,he was cut to the eye and mouth, and he was getting folded in two by hearns bodyshots.

Utter troll or utter ignoramus are the only options here.

[hhaehre]

McCallum had an iron chin and a brutal attack..

Yet he was knocked on his ass and beaten up by Fabrice Tiozzo, a man crushed in one round by light hitting Virgil Hill.

[gilgamesh]

Easily withstood? Barkleys face was ripped to shreds,he was cut to the eye and mouth, and he was getting folded in two by hearns bodyshots.

Utter troll or utter ignoramus are the only options here.

Indeed. It's probably the most punishment I've ever seen a guy who won by 3rd round knockout take on his way to a win. Hearns was beating him up pretty damn bad, and the body shots were brutal.

[Kalan]

Yeah???? ... Well Hearns weak chin did him in against Barkely -- just like it did versus Hagler and Leonard, who both also knocked Hearns out.

McCallum??? Nobody ever knocked him out or could knock him out... Julian Jackson hit him real good... James Toney hit him real good. He ate it up.

[Counter-puncher]

Yeah???? ... Well Hearns weak chin did him in against Barkely -- .

What you mean to say is, 'i was wrong to say Barkley withstood Hearns' assaults with ease'

[hhaehre]

Yeah???? ... Well Hearns weak chin did him in against Barkely -- just like it did versus Hagler and Leonard, who both also knocked Hearns out.

McCallum??? Nobody ever knocked him out or could knock him out... Julian Jackson hit him real good... James Toney hit him real good. He ate it up.

How do you square McCallums loss to Tiozzo, who was beaten by Hill, who in turn was beaten by Hearns? Surely this piece of clever BoxRec research indicates that Hearns would beat McCallum don't you think?

[BoxBuzz]

Yeah???? ... Well Hearns weak chin did him in against Barkely -- just like it did versus Hagler and Leonard, who both also knocked Hearns out.

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Kalan....you started out by saying Iran just plain beat Hearns up in the first fight.....so....like I do a lot when you get to typing, and went back and looked at the film.

In the first fight Iran got lucky.....Hearns was beatin' on Iran like he owed him money....and THEN....like you FINALLY said...Hearns chin let him down.

I guess you forgot? then I went back and looked at the second fight.

it was a well fought close fight by both men. A genuine split decision. A valiant effort by Barkley......but the way you tried to sell it the first time....was sorta like Hillary talkin about her emails. Not a lot of factual info to be found.

But.....after a while...it looks like you came back and kinda sorta set it straight. Good thing the truth squad is on patrol.

[BoxBuzz]

Yeah???? ... Well Hearns weak chin did him in against Barkely -- just like it did versus Hagler and Leonard, who both also knocked Hearns out.

McCallum??? Nobody ever knocked him out or could knock him out... Julian Jackson hit him real good... James Toney hit him real good. He ate it up.

How do you square McCallums loss to Tiozzo, who was beaten by Hill, who in turn was beaten by Hearns? Surely this piece of clever BoxRec research indicates that Hearns would beat McCallum don't you think?

I brought that up earlier.....I think I can quote him "no comment".


McCallum was good...very good....but he wasn't feared or overly avoided by these guys in my estimation. It was just the way the business ball bounced.

[elmersalsa]

Yeah???? ... Well Hearns weak chin did him in against Barkely -- just like it did versus Hagler and Leonard, who both also knocked Hearns out.

McCallum??? Nobody ever knocked him out or could knock him out... Julian Jackson hit him real good... James Toney hit him real good. He ate it up.

How do you square McCallums loss to Tiozzo, who was beaten by Hill, who in turn was beaten by Hearns? Surely this piece of clever BoxRec research indicates that Hearns would beat McCallum don't you think?

I brought that up earlier.....I think I can quote him "no comment".


McCallum was good...very good....but he wasn't feared or overly avoided by these guys in my estimation. It was just the way the business ball bounced.

I agree with you, BoxBuzz. I don't think that the Fab 4 of Duran, Hagler, Hearns and Leonard were ducking the Jamaican Body Snatcher. There was no time for a fight with him. These 4 were trying to get at each other by public demand and multi million dollar reasons.

[Kalan]

Yeah???? ... Well Hearns weak chin did him in against Barkely -- just like it did versus Hagler and Leonard, who both also knocked Hearns out.

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Kalan....you started out by saying Iran just plain beat Hearns up in the first fight.....so....like I do a lot when you get to typing, and went back and looked at the film.

In the first fight Iran got lucky.....Hearns was beatin' on Iran like he owed him money....and THEN....like you FINALLY said...Hearns chin let him down.

I guess you forgot? then I went back and looked at the second fight.

it was a well fought close fight by both men. A genuine split decision. A valiant effort by Barkley......but the way you tried to sell it the first time....was sorta like Hillary talkin about her emails. Not a lot of factual info to be found.

But.....after a while...it looks like you came back and kinda sorta set it straight. Good thing the truth squad is on patrol.

I watched the Hearns-Barkley fight... I was anxious for Barkley to knock him out and he finally did in the 3rd round... The 2nd fight Barkley seemed to be suffering from some ailment and couldn't throw hard... but he proved he could knock Hearns out or beat him on points either way... Nunn, Kalambay, Benn, Washington, and others had an easy time with Barkley... Barkley had 19 losses altogether...which means he has something in common with Sugar Ray Robinson... I don't think you can compare Hearns's efforts with Barkley to Toney's or Benn's -- guys who could hit.

[Kalan]

And you're lying BuzzBox... I never said Barkley plain beat Hearns up... Hagler beat Hearns up -- and knocked him out... That was another fun fight.

[gilgamesh]

And you're lying BuzzBox... I never said Barkley plain beat Hearns up... Hagler beat Hearns up -- and knocked him out... That was another fun fight.

You said he beat Hearns with ease. Which might as well be the same thing as saying he plain beat him up.

[Kalan]

The finish was very easy... Barkley popped Hearns on that chin and Hearns folded like an accordion... About what you want when you hit somebody.

When Barkley punched Benn, Nunn, Kalambay, Toney, and Washington on the chin ... he didn't get a desired response.

[Counter-puncher]

The finish was very easy....

No, you've got that wrong again

What you mean to say is, 'i was wrong to say Barkley withstood Hearns' assaults with ease, because actually Hearns ripped barkleys face to shreds and tortured him with bodyshots so Barkleys face was a mask of pain'

[BoxBuzz]

If I am to honor that you are a trainer....and know many things in your area of expertise.....please allow me mine.

I am a certified...(not licensed) head injury specialist. I can tell you that it takes specific parameters to align in just the right set of physics to insure a KO. A full 66% of KO's in boxing are due to alignment (of the stars) ...which brings the stars....and the birdies.

15% can be explained by some fighters who have critical mass power.....The Jacksons, Hearns, Foremans, Listons Shavers of the world...who have the ammo. Some of those warriors have the added benefit of great trainers....and a willingness to listen to them, or their own gathered experience....to parlay that 15% KO assist, into nurturing the other 66% of which I speak. The other 15% is the existence of weaker chins and these all work in tandem.

Great chins.....Ali, McCall, Holmes, Hagler.....they can buck the 15% power equation further changing the odds for them. But even they can have moments where physics lets them down, and completely astonishes the layman. Liston being stunned by Ali comes to mind. The stun was genuine....can't be as sure about the regrouping moment. Lot's of chaos to factor in that encounter.

Great power....Foreman, Shavers, Jackson, Hearns they up their percentages a bit to deliver those moments.

Weak chins affect the equation.......I think it's harder to give examples here because it's a bit more difficult to determine. But Patterson and Hearns got reputations in this area....perhaps not deservedly so. The real contenders here never made it to prime time.


Changing the subject, I will grant you this....the biggest part of boxing can be controlled by an intelligent team of fighter and trainer that develop a plan and are able to stick to it. Which makes it hard to rate fighters in a stand alone mechanical way....because so much of a great fighter lies in his heart and mind. His intelligence and determination. This can often trump power, weak or strong chins, and size. A guy like Calzaghe can get knocked over like a bowling ball pin, come back and regroup, and make what looked like an easy day for the other guy turn into sheer hell. Literally slapping the shyt out of the other guy and hustling out a win.

Let's add conditioning as a factor as well.

Some are Chess players. And they do quite well. I'd put Charles, Moore, Ali, Duran, Frazier, Monzon, SRL,
SRR, Later Foreman in the intelligent group. Each of these guys possessing a share of the other traits as well.

[gilgamesh]

The finish was very easy... Barkley popped Hearns on that chin and Hearns folded like an accordion... About what you want when you hit somebody.

When Barkley punched Benn, Nunn, Kalambay, Toney, and Washington on the chin ... he didn't get a desired response.

I'm not sure if Barkley even landed a punch on Toney's chin, but yes even if he did or would've he wouldn't have hurt him. Toney's about as tough as they come, and he was dazzling that night against Barkley. Defensively and offensively brilliant, standing right in front of Barkley and making him hit air all night long.

[Kalan]

The finish was very easy... Barkley popped Hearns on that chin and Hearns folded like an accordion... About what you want when you hit somebody.

When Barkley punched Benn, Nunn, Kalambay, Toney, and Washington on the chin ... he didn't get a desired response.

I'm not sure if Barkley even landed a punch on Toney's chin, but yes even if he did or would've he wouldn't have hurt him. Toney's about as tough as they come, and he was dazzling that night against Barkley. Defensively and offensively brilliant, standing right in front of Barkley and making him hit air all night long.

That's all so very true ... and that's why Toney got a completely different result when he fought Barkley than Hearns did... and why Hearns never fought Toney ... or McCallum ... or Nunn ... or Kalambay... You see, they all got a more desirable result when they faced the less than masterful Barkley.

Emmanuel Steward was normally very thoughtful about how he matched his fighters... but he made a few mistakes with Hearns vs Barkley... with Vivian Harris vs Maussa... and with Jermain Taylor vs Pavlik... The KO losses with Lewis and Wladimir were good matchups -- but he didn't have them ready.

[Bricks]

Yeah???? ... Well Hearns weak chin did him in against Barkely -- just like it did versus Hagler and Leonard, who both also knocked Hearns out.

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Kalan....you started out by saying Iran just plain beat Hearns up in the first fight.....so....like I do a lot when you get to typing, and went back and looked at the film.

In the first fight Iran got lucky.....Hearns was beatin' on Iran like he owed him money....and THEN....like you FINALLY said...Hearns chin let him down.

I guess you forgot? then I went back and looked at the second fight.

it was a well fought close fight by both men. A genuine split decision. A valiant effort by Barkley......but the way you tried to sell it the first time....was sorta like Hillary talkin about her emails. Not a lot of factual info to be found.

But.....after a while...it looks like you came back and kinda sorta set it straight. Good thing the truth squad is on patrol.

He didn't set anything straight. He is a trolling weasel and he is ruining this forum. Every single thread is the same thing. This retarded idiot says outrageous things and other members try to correct him and he trolls more. The thread becomes the forum v Kalan, and there is never any quality to the debate like their would be between say Ambling Alp vs Counterpuncher for example where both sides argument has some relevance or discuss worthy merit......this is just.......Julian Jackson was better than Hagler.......barkley easily beat tommy......terry Norris beat a peak srl......dillian whyte would beat mike Tyson.........

[Kalan]

I never said Barkley beat Hearns up... He beat him TWICE... He beat him on points and he knocked him out... How many ways can you beat a guy????

[Counter-puncher]

I never said Barkley beat Hearns up...

Iran Barkley WASN'T a superfighter and he beat Hearns twice with ease... .

oh dear, oh dear, silly kalan once more.