Looks like Ortiz ends his career

[jamesmcdonnell]

Don't forget wilt chamberlain!

[BitPlayer]

Plus Bowe and Mike Tyson

[lefty]

Christ Ortiz looks old, he looks more like 50 than under 40.

Maybe he just can't be arsed to put the work in, who knows. Think this is most likely the end, it's not like another promoters dying to snap him up, and it will probably drag on for 18 months trying to escape his contract.

You say that but I wonder whether Haymon has made an approach hence why he's trying to get out of his contract as it is. He seemed content with golden boy before and then all of sudden pulls this move. Makes me think someone has approached him.

Yes, but he could still end up in a lengthy legal battle which prevents him from being able to fight.

True. It depends how Golden boy respond to it. They could also be offered some kind of settlement offer.

[jamesmcdonnell]

You say that but I wonder whether Haymon has made an approach hence why he's trying to get out of his contract as it is. He seemed content with golden boy before and then all of sudden pulls this move. Makes me think someone has approached him.

Yes, but he could still end up in a lengthy legal battle which prevents him from being able to fight.

True. It depends how Golden boy respond to it. They could also be offered some kind of settlement offer.

Depends how shitty they want to be, the fact that Oscar is a coke fiend, probably won't help.

[tigermoth87]

Seems like a quack to me.

[Gregk]

Does anyone know why he didn't go along with it? Weird as hell.

The WBA tournament coudn't have gone much worse, I guess they'll do (Fres Vs Ustinov) Vs (Fury Vs Wlad)

Money.

I think a lot of the Cubans have had some problems adjusting when they come over, they start pricing themselves out of opportunities because they've never seen so much money, not to mention booze, drugs, women etc. It's a massive shift in their lives.

Interesting point. If one is not used to luxury or temptation and are suddenly exposed they can't control themselves. Its like if an inner city kid sees a swimming pool or a luxury item they go nuts. Show the same stimuli to an upper class kid and they're like "whatever." A middle class American or European have seen strip clubs or drugs their whole lives. Some develop problems; most don't. But A Cuban coming over sees all that for the first time. It's very different to them.

That is a good point. Although, many Cuban boxers have traveled the world for amateur tournaments. That should have imparted some worldly culture.

It is a shame to see anyone with great talent, especially on the cusp of tremendous success, be so self destructive.

[jamesmcdonnell]

Money.

I think a lot of the Cubans have had some problems adjusting when they come over, they start pricing themselves out of opportunities because they've never seen so much money, not to mention booze, drugs, women etc. It's a massive shift in their lives.

Interesting point. If one is not used to luxury or temptation and are suddenly exposed they can't control themselves. Its like if an inner city kid sees a swimming pool or a luxury item they go nuts. Show the same stimuli to an upper class kid and they're like "whatever." A middle class American or European have seen strip clubs or drugs their whole lives. Some develop problems; most don't. But A Cuban coming over sees all that for the first time. It's very different to them.

That is a good point. Although, many Cuban boxers have traveled the world for amateur tournaments. That should have imparted some worldly culture.

It is a shame to see anyone with great talent, especially on the cusp of tremendous success, be so self destructive.

I'd imagine the Cuban amateurs are very closely chaperoned during international forays, they probably see very little, and what they do see is at a distance.

[bigman1968]

You say that but I wonder whether Haymon has made an approach hence why he's trying to get out of his contract as it is. He seemed content with golden boy before and then all of sudden pulls this move. Makes me think someone has approached him.

Yes, but he could still end up in a lengthy legal battle which prevents him from being able to fight.

True. It depends how Golden boy respond to it. They could also be offered some kind of settlement offer.

I presume they will not let him get out easily. Even if they do not want him no more they will be hard with him to intimidate other boxers they "own".

By the way, Golden Boy did not bad managing job with Ortiz. 7 years ago he was unknown (even in Cuba) 30 yo boxer with very poor (by Cuban standards) amateur record (no Olympic or World medals)...