Babe Ruth vs Ali

[Kalan]

You guys crack me up. Wilt Chamberlin. Wasn't he that basketball player? He had more chance of being a great ballerina than a good heavyweight boxer. Only reason why these skyscrapers are on top of the division today is because there are so many bums fighting now. Normal guys are playing ball or hockey, leaving the field to the freaks.

He wasn't THAT basketball player, he was THE basketball player & because of that, he would have easily beaten prime Muhammad Ali with six months training under Cus D'amato.

Did you not get the memo?

True... Wilt Chamberlain 7'1" X 290lbs of arms, legs, and shoulders... He could jump higher, run faster, pass more accurately, grab more rebounds, score more hoops, and out-maneuver any other big man on the planet... He was so durable he led the NBA in minutes played year after year and even led the NBA in assists 1 year---which is a stat guards almost always corner... Nobody ever came close to his record 100 points in a game or grabbing 55 rebounds in a single game.. He was also a great volleyball player and Track & Field athlete. To pretend a man with such an unreal combination of height, weight, reach, strength, power, speed, vision, coordination, and other athletic gifts can't learn Boxing in 6 months borders on idiocy.. Cus D'Amato discovered both Patterson and Tyson and predicted they would be Heavyweight Champions by age 20.. He backed Chamberlain 100%.

Ali was no idiot. That's why he refused to sign the contract after doing public appearances and TV shows with Chamberlain hyping their "coming fight" for publicity purposes ... They negotiated a contract to fight. Ali wasn't serious. Chamberlain was serious. Chamberlain signed it. Ali refused.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mF57P1uUG0s

[gilgamesh]

Would Babe Ruth get to carry a Baseball Bat into the ring with him? If so he could point at Ali's head, and point out in the audience where he's gonna knock it to, and then go for the knees instead. Classic misdirection.

[BoxBuzz]

[ Ali was no idiot. That's why he refused to sign the contract after doing public appearances and TV shows with Chamberlain hyping their "coming fight" for publicity purposes https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mF57P1uUG0s

you keep repeating that like it's true. Wilt is the one who did not sign after all was said and done. The final contract never got Wilt's name on the line.

You keep saying it inside out. You must have been misinformed. Or your made this up.

[punchoutsb]

Babe Ruth was a short, fat, tub-of-lard... He had no interest in Boxing... Almost all his records have been broken.

Most of Wilt Chamberlain's records---and he held many more records than Ruth---are still intact decades after he set them... Many haven't been approached.

Babe Ruth KO1 over you without 6 months of training.

[gilgamesh]

[ Ali was no idiot. That's why he refused to sign the contract after doing public appearances and TV shows with Chamberlain hyping their "coming fight" for publicity purposes https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mF57P1uUG0s

you keep repeating that like it's true. Wilt is the one who did not sign after all was said and done. The final contract never got Wilt's name on the line.

You keep saying it inside out. You must have been misinformed. Or your made this up.

He's obviously the biggest Wilt Chamberlain fan in the world.

[BoxBuzz]

Well a challenger has to be prepared to take less money. Wilt felt the pay was not up to his liking. But he had not paid his dues and had no title to put on the line. Just business and wilt over played his hand.

[Kalan]

[ Ali was no idiot. That's why he refused to sign the contract after doing public appearances and TV shows with Chamberlain hyping their "coming fight" for publicity purposes https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mF57P1uUG0s

you keep repeating that like it's true. Wilt is the one who did not sign after all was said and done. The final contract never got Wilt's name on the line.

You keep saying it inside out. You must have been misinformed. Or your made this up.

BuzzBox you're a liar... Chamberlain signed the contract -- and as that video proves there WAS a negotiated contract that Ali refused to sign.

[BoxBuzz]

You are wrong every time you say it....and history's not going to change just to make you happy.......there were ongoing negotiations which Wilt failed to attend to. What's odd is that's actually something you've alluded to yourself along the way......but maybe that was a cognizant slip of the keyboard.

[hhaehre]

[ Ali was no idiot. That's why he refused to sign the contract after doing public appearances and TV shows with Chamberlain hyping their "coming fight" for publicity purposes https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mF57P1uUG0s

you keep repeating that like it's true. Wilt is the one who did not sign after all was said and done. The final contract never got Wilt's name on the line.

You keep saying it inside out. You must have been misinformed. Or your made this up.

BuzzBox you're a liar... Chamberlain signed the contract -- and as that video proves there WAS a negotiated contract that Ali refused to sign.

He never signed

[BoxBuzz]

You guys crack me up. Wilt Chamberlin. Wasn't he that basketball player? He had more chance of being a great ballerina than a good heavyweight boxer. Only reason why these skyscrapers are on top of the division today is because there are so many bums fighting now. Normal guys are playing ball or hockey, leaving the field to the freaks.

He wasn't THAT basketball player, he was THE basketball player & because of that, he would have easily beaten prime Muhammad Ali with six months training under Cus D'amato.

Did you not get the memo?

He wasn't THE BASKETBALL player....He WAS BASKETBALL.

[Kalan]

You are wrong every time you say it....and history's not going to change just to make you happy.......there were ongoing negotiations which Wilt failed to attend to. What's odd is that's actually something you've alluded to yourself along the way......but maybe that was a cognizant slip of the keyboard.

You're full of gas BussBox... Ali refused to sign the contract. In fact he was producing pens for Ali to sign and Ali kept refusing. They had a copy of the negotiated contract that Ali refused to sign, and that's what's said when the video opens. "I have a signed contract in my possession for him to fight Ali and it's actually going to happen..." that is, signed by Chamberlain but not by Ali.

Ali says to Chamberlain... "I accept your challenge, as soon as I finish with a few more contenders...if I beat them" ... Wilt says "I can't get your signature on the line uh?" ... Ali says "Just hold your pen. Don't rush things." ... Wilt says "How long?" ... Ali says meekly "don't start popping off" ... Wilt says "I'm not popping. I want to know how long?" ... Ali says "You start popping off you'll get in trouble. I'll take it easy with you just be cool." and Wilt says "But you can't tell me how long can you?" Chamberlain was clearly frustrated with the Dog & Pony shows and Ali offering excuses and never signing the contract.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mF57P1uUG0s

[BoxBuzz]

Well yes that all happened....and if Wilt's name was on that piece of paper all well and good. We don't get to see it from our perspective in that interview. But it was not the final product approved by both negotiating teams. It was still in process from Ali and his teams point of view. You know this. Wilt and Ali knew that at that moment....it was courteous of Ali not to mention it and embarrass Wilt....instead he simply warned him not to pop off.

Ali accepted the challenge....the terms however were still in process. And Wilt never really wanted it...so he kept the terms unobtainable.

[Tomasino]

After reading exactly the same shite, post after post after post, I am officially convinced that Ali shat himself from Wilt. What sane man wouldn't?

Thanks Kalan

[Kalan]

Well yes that all happened....and if Wilt's name was on that piece of paper all well and good. We don't get to see it from our perspective in that interview. But it was not the final product approved by both negotiating teams. It was still in process from Ali and his teams point of view. You know this. Wilt and Ali knew that at that moment....it was courteous of Ali not to mention it and embarrass Wilt....instead he simply warned him not to pop off.

Ali accepted the challenge....the terms however were still in process. And Wilt never really wanted it...so he kept the terms unobtainable.

How do YOU know it wasn't the final product produced by both negotiating teams BuzzBox???? You're pulling that nonsense out of your ass.. The contract was exactly what both teams agreed to. Ali wouldn't sign it because that would legally OBLIGATE him to fight Chamberlain... Instead Ali used weasel statements like "as soon as I finish with a few more contenders...if I beat them" ... IF he beats them LOL... These weasel statements are not what Wilt Chamberlain wanted to hear... He was interested in getting Ali into a ring and knocking him TFO -- so he could be the first man to win the Heavyweight Championship in his first pro fight. He was all about individual stats. He repeatedly asked Ali to sign the contract and he repeatedly made excuses.

[Kalan]

"As soon as I finish with a few more contenders...if I beat them" ... LOL.. Ali wanted indefinite time to sign and he wasn't signing. That's damned obvious

[gilgamesh]

"As soon as I finish with a few more contenders...if I beat them" ... LOL.. Ali wanted indefinite time to sign and he wasn't signing. That's damned obvious

Only in your own world of make believe.

Every one of those contenders were more meaningful fights than an exhibition against Wilt would've been. A fight between Ali and Wilt Chamberlain would be about the same as a charity event matchup with Rocky Marciano vs Jerry Lewis or Sugar Ray Leonard vs Bob Hope. They'd have a good discussion before hand with Wilt saying "Take it easy on me out there Champ".

It wouldn't even have been a legitimate contest in all likelihood, just an exhibition that's all supposed to be good fun for people.

[BoxBuzz]

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How do YOU know it wasn't the final product produced by both negotiating teams BuzzBox????

Seriously?

I just said that from the camera angle no one could know what it was. So no one could know what it WASN'T

I'm going to regret asking this..but how do you know what it was? It could have been the back of Wheaties box for all we know.

(But Buzz Wilt Said it was........) Not sure Wilt saying it is enough to cinch the case. Wilt would never exaggerate....or would he?

We both know it was a publicity stunt. Which word in that sentence is too much to digest.

[Kalan]

"As soon as I finish with a few more contenders...if I beat them" ... LOL.. Ali wanted indefinite time to sign and he wasn't signing. That's damned obvious

Only in your own world of make believe.

Every one of those contenders were more meaningful fights than an exhibition against Wilt would've been. A fight between Ali and Wilt Chamberlain would be about the same as a charity event matchup with Rocky Marciano vs Jerry Lewis or Sugar Ray Leonard vs Bob Hope. They'd have a good discussion before hand with Wilt saying "Take it easy on me out there Champ".

It wouldn't even have been a legitimate contest in all likelihood, just an exhibition that's all supposed to be good fun for people.

That's ridiculous nonsense... Fighting London, Mildenberger, Williams and other awkward, slow, shot up, and inept boxers who didn't stand a chance in HELL got NOBODY excited... EVERYBODY was interested in seeing Wilt Chamberlain vs Muhammad Ali... That's why Ali, Cosell, and others did these Dog & Pony shows with Chamberlain... because EVERYBODY was interested it seeing them fight -- or even talking about fighting each other.

[BoxBuzz]

Agreed....too bad Wilt wasn't willing to take the amount that was probably too lean for his budget. If he would have agreed to the terms your heart would have been broken, but we would be spared the whinin'.

[Kalan]

The fight was no exhibition and wasn't hyped as an exhibition... You know better than that gilgemesh... Chamberlain was an extremely formidable athlete and the most dominant athlete in sports.. Just about no man alive was stupid enough to pick a fight with Chamberlain.. That's why the public was so interested in this fight and it got so much ink..

It was a viable fight.. Not because Wilt was big and tall.. Thousands of men are very big and tall. Only one ever scored 100 points in an NBA game or pulled down 55 rebounds in a game.. You need to be pretty damned physical, fast, powerful and dominant to do that -- not just skilled.. Every big man in the NBA was skilled -- but none could do anything like that on both ends of the court.

[Tomasino]

The fight was no exhibition and wasn't hyped as an exhibition... You know better than that gilgemesh... Chamberlain was an extremely formidable athlete and the most dominant athlete in sports.. Just about no man alive was stupid enough to pick a fight with Chamberlain.. That's why the public was so interested in this fight and it got so much ink..

It was a viable fight.. Not because Wilt was big and tall.. Thousands of men are very big and tall. Only one ever scored 100 points in an NBA game or pulled down 55 rebounds in a game.. You need to be pretty damned physical, fast, powerful and dominant to do that -- not just skilled.. Every big man in the NBA was skilled -- but none could do anything like that on both ends of the court.

Have you ever watched Groundhog Day?

[BoxBuzz]

How good of a golfer was he?

Lot of money to be made there as well.

[Kalan]

BuzzBox, you just keep making up your own facts... That's what you're good at.

[BoxBuzz]

BuzzBox, you just keep making up your own facts... That's what you're good at.

I don't know...it's hard to beat your facts for pure imagination.

My non fiction stuff is pretty bland in comparison.

[gilgamesh]

The fight was no exhibition and wasn't hyped as an exhibition... You know better than that gilgemesh... Chamberlain was an extremely formidable athlete and the most dominant athlete in sports.. Just about no man alive was stupid enough to pick a fight with Chamberlain.. That's why the public was so interested in this fight and it got so much ink..

It was a viable fight.. Not because Wilt was big and tall.. Thousands of men are very big and tall. Only one ever scored 100 points in an NBA game or pulled down 55 rebounds in a game.. You need to be pretty damned physical, fast, powerful and dominant to do that -- not just skilled.. Every big man in the NBA was skilled -- but none could do anything like that on both ends of the court.

I also know better than to keep saying a Basketball player beats one of the best Heavyweight Boxers of all time. I'm not an idiot. Is your last name Chamberlain by any chance? Even Wilt didn't think he had as much chance of beating Ali as you do.