Ward vs Brand

[Evander]

How good is Ward's chin really? Floyd Mayweather's chin bailed him out a couple times against Maidana and Mosley.

That's just not true, are you telling me a boxer gets clipped and his whole skillset is called into question ... no.

[hulkmaniac]

How good is Ward's chin really? Floyd Mayweather's chin bailed him out a couple times against Maidana and Mosley.

That's just not true, are you telling me a boxer gets clipped and his whole skillset is called into question ... no.

No, my point is that if Ward's chin isn't on par he can outbox Kovalev for 11.5 rounds and all his work gets erased.

[Luckybattles]

Speed of hand and foot. Master of distance. Master of timing. Crisp, precise counter punching. The art of tying up at the right moment to negate the offense of your opponent. These are the things Floyd and Ward excel at.

"The art of tying up"

,,,,, That's not an art. That's a disgrace enabled by the corrupt boxing commissions to protect their favorite fighters. Tying up an opponent to survive is a survival instinct that the sport respects. These guys use tying up as their primary defensive stragety.

[boxing_rocks]

How good is Ward's chin really? Floyd Mayweather's chin bailed him out a couple times against Maidana and Mosley.

That's just not true, are you telling me a boxer gets clipped and his whole skillset is called into question ... no.

No, my point is that if Ward's chin isn't on par he can outbox Kovalev for 11.5 rounds and all his work gets erased.

Nah, he will not last that long. What we saw on Saturday is nothing close to Ward of 2011, and even that Ward wouldn't last 11 rounds with Kova.

[jamesmcdonnell]

Speed of hand and foot. Master of distance. Master of timing. Crisp, precise counter punching. The art of tying up at the right moment to negate the offense of your opponent. These are the things Floyd and Ward excel at.

"The art of tying up"

,,,,, That's not an art. That's a disgrace enabled by the corrupt boxing commissions to protect their favorite fighters. Tying up an opponent to survive is a survival instinct that the sport respects. These guys use tying up as their primary defensive stragety.

Oh do shut up - it's been a part of boxing since day 1 - it is excessive holding which is penalised. A fighter is allowed to tie his opponent up on the inside, so long as they are still working.

Why would Ward be anybody's favourite, he doesn't have a huge following, and barely fought in the last 3 years, why would any commission want to protect him? He's not a big money earner and therefore he doesn't bring in much in sanctioning fees.

[gilgamesh]

Ok forget Pacquaio, have you heard of Oscar or Canelo or Miguel Cotto? Those guys are pretty good at boxing. Canelo is the best 154 lb fighter in the world. Mayweather made him look like a child, but little Shawn f'n Porter would expose him?

Jesus Christ. I cant.

It's often sold short how good of a good fight Cotto gave him. Cotto for the most part did indeed box against Floyd, and still make it competitive. I mean don't get me wrong, he clearly lost still, but he was able to keep Floyd to a 116-112 type victory which is tougher than most guys do with Floyd when they try to outbox him. Usually trying to outbox Floyd is a recipe for a shutout loss.

[boxing_rocks]

Speed of hand and foot. Master of distance. Master of timing. Crisp, precise counter punching. The art of tying up at the right moment to negate the offense of your opponent. These are the things Floyd and Ward excel at.

"The art of tying up"

,,,,, That's not an art. That's a disgrace enabled by the corrupt boxing commissions to protect their favorite fighters. Tying up an opponent to survive is a survival instinct that the sport respects. These guys use tying up as their primary defensive stragety.

Oh do shut up - it's been a part of boxing since day 1 - it is excessive holding which is penalised. A fighter is allowed to tie his opponent up on the inside, so long as they are still working.

Why would Ward be anybody's favourite, he doesn't have a huge following, and barely fought in the last 3 years, why would any commission want to protect him? He's not a big money earner and therefore he doesn't bring in much in sanctioning fees.

Are you saying that Ward's holding of let's say Kessler wasn't excessive? Don't forget that he fights most of the fights in his home state if not home city which is why he is not penalized.

This time, he will not be in California and I doubt that holding will help him much against the Krusher anyway.

[treize]

1. No.
It wasn't at all.
Watched the whole fight two or three weeks ago and Kessler was outjabbed most of the time.

2. Infighting is allowed. As long as one arm is free, the fighters are allowed to punch.

If Chilemba was temporarily able to outjab Kovalev, then make him look helpless on the inside - how shouldn't Ward be able to do way better against 'The Krusher'?

3. Does anybody know how much Ward weighed at fight night?

Thanks...

[boxing_rocks]

1. No.
It wasn't at all.
Watched the whole fight two or three weeks ago and Kessler was outjabbed most of the time.

2. Infighting is allowed. As long as one arm is free, the fighters are allowed to punch.

If Chilemba was temporarily able to outjab Kovalev, then make him look helpless on the inside - how shouldn't Ward be able to do way better against 'The Krusher'?

3. Does anybody know how much Ward weighed at fight night?

Thanks...

What does outjabbing have to do with excessive clinching? One doesn't exclude the other. Ward initiated 90+ clinches in that fight - definitely excessive. Plus the intentional head butt. Should have been DQed.

[Kalan]

Ward wasn't able to do a lot of effective infighting vs Brand. He rarely landed more then one punch at a time. He was very effective defensively against an offensively ineffectual and very short guy for the weight. I thought his Barrera fight was more interesting and competitive. Barrera was taller with better range and power, but wasn't a top flight amateur and lacks pro experience. Barrera is slow an lacks some skills, but I gave Barrera a couple rounds.

Ward dominated Kessler better than he did Barrera, but Froch boxed him well in spots. I never considered any of those 3 real good boxers, but they're obviously better than Nathan Cleverly. Kovalev didn't have his best game going with Chilemba but I didn't see rounds to give to Chilemba. Kovalev controlled the ring and landed the sharper punches throughout. If he stepped it up the would have stopped Chilemba.

I don't see any opponent who Mayweather ever fought on the level of Kovalev or Ward. Pacquiao lost 6 fights... hasn't stopped anyone in 7 years... was very small for 147... was obviously suffering from his rotator cuff injury... and has been ducking Crawford, Thurman, Brook, Spence, Porter, and any really big, tough, and hard punching Welterweight opponent for years... Pacquiao has been fighting weak hitters like Rios, Bradley, Algieri, etc.. Choosing to fight Vargas was not a surprise to me. I see the top Welterweights flattening Paccquiao. I like fighters who seek the top competition like Kovalev and Ward -- who treat Boxing as a sport and not a business.

[jamesmcdonnell]

1. No.
It wasn't at all.
Watched the whole fight two or three weeks ago and Kessler was outjabbed most of the time.

2. Infighting is allowed. As long as one arm is free, the fighters are allowed to punch.

If Chilemba was temporarily able to outjab Kovalev, then make him look helpless on the inside - how shouldn't Ward be able to do way better against 'The Krusher'?

3. Does anybody know how much Ward weighed at fight night?

Thanks...

What does outjabbing have to do with excessive clinching? One doesn't exclude the other. Ward initiated 90+ clinches in that fight - definitely excessive. Plus the intentional head butt. Should have been DQed.

Initiating clinches isn't an offence. Staying in a clinch, or refusing to break is.

[Noxy]

Is it signed like?