Who is The #1 Heavyweight of All Time?

[SaadOffTheDeck]

it was a fair stoppage and still lewis was
close to losing, which, if it happens to the
heavy weight champ, is enough to make
questions for a rematch legit.

denying that is ... silly.

Lennox retired, every boxer has that option. If he had continued fighting and not fought the rematch you could question him about it. ... Fact is, he wasn't close to losing at all. The premise that he was afraid of a guy he gave a fight on less than a weeks notice is far sillier than anything else mentioned about the two.

i for one don't hold it terribly against
lennox that he denied the rematch. he
had the right to do that at his age and
of course he was not "afraid".

but everybody including the british
TV team had a moment in the second
- if i recall correctly - round where they
thought lennox was close to be taken
out. that plus the fact that klitschko was
ahead on all three cards and the stoppage
was in the end on a cut ... well "close to
losing" doesn't seem require terribly much
imagination.

The biggest punch in the fight was the uppercut by Lewis in the dominant 6th round.

[gilgamesh]

Ever notice that good defensive fighters seldom get cut and poor defensive fighters often do?

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Those 3 deeply slashed cuts were the ONLY threatening cuts Vitali Klitschko EVER suffered in over 200 amateur fights and 47 professional fights... so he very seldom got cut.. And Lewis seldom cut anybody - that was the only fight Lewis ever won on cuts and the only fight Vitali ever lost on cuts -- versus Henry Cooper losing many several fights on cuts.

Those 3 cuts were cause by a thumb strike on the left eyelid with Lewis's right glove... closely followed by holding and hitting with a palm slash to the face and cheek... Illegal striking areas of Lewis's right glove---the thumb area causing a nick.... and the outside edge of the glove and the palm of the glove slashed over Vitali's face while he was in a headlock... caused 3 major cuts on Vitali's left eyelid and left cheek... in the first 15 seconds of the 3rd round all the damage to Vitali's left eye is done by foul blows.

[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9OkXneaGkM At 2:44 you see the damage to VK's eyelid. Here's what caused it. Al 2:57 of the video you see the thumb strike... Then at 3:02 of the video you see the holding and hitting and palm slash to the eye... If you stop the video as the Lewis slashes with his palm you see the insignia on the back of the Lewis's glove, meaning his palm is facing Vitali.. In those 5 seconds the damage was done.. at 4:16 of the video you see Lewis flagrantly palming Vitali in the face -- and a cursory warning from Lou Moret with Lewis not even looking at him -- which means LL knows he has Moret in his hip pocket... Generally after such severe fouls a referee calls time and official warnings are issued or points taken.

You're a liar. The cuts were caused by clean punches. That's the bottom line

[hhaehre]

Lennox retired, every boxer has that option. If he had continued fighting and not fought the rematch you could question him about it. ... Fact is, he wasn't close to losing at all. The premise that he was afraid of a guy he gave a fight on less than a weeks notice is far sillier than anything else mentioned about the two.

i for one don't hold it terribly against
lennox that he denied the rematch. he
had the right to do that at his age and
of course he was not "afraid".

but everybody including the british
TV team had a moment in the second
- if i recall correctly - round where they
thought lennox was close to be taken
out. that plus the fact that klitschko was
ahead on all three cards and the stoppage
was in the end on a cut ... well "close to
losing" doesn't seem require terribly much
imagination.

The biggest punch in the fight was the uppercut by Lewis in the dominant 6th round.

It was also the biggest fight of Vitalis career and Lewis was the best fighter he ever faced. Personally I don't think Lewis was close to being stopped, Vitali didn't have that kind of power, he was an arm puncher who took his time getting tko's.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

i for one don't hold it terribly against
lennox that he denied the rematch. he
had the right to do that at his age and
of course he was not "afraid".

but everybody including the british
TV team had a moment in the second
- if i recall correctly - round where they
thought lennox was close to be taken
out. that plus the fact that klitschko was
ahead on all three cards and the stoppage
was in the end on a cut ... well "close to
losing" doesn't seem require terribly much
imagination.

The biggest punch in the fight was the uppercut by Lewis in the dominant 6th round.

It was also the biggest fight of Vitalis career and Lewis was the best fighter he ever faced. Personally I don't think Lewis was close to being stopped, Vitali didn't have that kind of power, he was an arm puncher who took his time getting tko's.

Yup, Lewis wasn't hurt. Now, before he bludgeoned Vitali's face into a scene from Alien it looked like a fight that could go either way. It wasn't and he wasn't remotely close to losing.

[Kalan]

Ever notice that good defensive fighters seldom get cut and poor defensive fighters often do?

\

Those 3 deeply slashed cuts were the ONLY threatening cuts Vitali Klitschko EVER suffered in over 200 amateur fights and 47 professional fights... so he very seldom got cut.. And Lewis seldom cut anybody - that was the only fight Lewis ever won on cuts and the only fight Vitali ever lost on cuts -- versus Henry Cooper losing many several fights on cuts.

Those 3 cuts were cause by a thumb strike on the left eyelid with Lewis's right glove... closely followed by holding and hitting with a palm slash to the face and cheek... Illegal striking areas of Lewis's right glove---the thumb area causing a nick.... and the outside edge of the glove and the palm of the glove slashed over Vitali's face while he was in a headlock... caused 3 major cuts on Vitali's left eyelid and left cheek... in the first 15 seconds of the 3rd round all the damage to Vitali's left eye is done by foul blows.

[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9OkXneaGkM At 2:44 you see the damage to VK's eyelid. Here's what caused it. Al 2:57 of the video you see the thumb strike... Then at 3:02 of the video you see the holding and hitting and palm slash to the eye... If you stop the video as the Lewis slashes with his palm you see the insignia on the back of the Lewis's glove, meaning his palm is facing Vitali.. In those 5 seconds the damage was done.. at 4:16 of the video you see Lewis flagrantly palming Vitali in the face -- and a cursory warning from Lou Moret with Lewis not even looking at him -- which means LL knows he has Moret in his hip pocket... Generally after such severe fouls a referee calls time and official warnings are issued or points taken.

You're a liar. The cuts were caused by clean punches. That's the bottom line

You're blind as a bat.. those cuts occurred in 5 seconds of intense fouling... and later Lewis viciously and flagrantly palmed Vitali's face again... Look at 4;16 of the video... If fouls contribute to the cuts they go to the scorecards... Vital a UNANIMOUS TECHNICAL DECISION.. The British announcers said it was going to the scorecards.

[gilgamesh]

Nobody sees those fouls but you, and you know what that means? It means they didn't happen.

[Kalan]

Lennox retired, every boxer has that option. If he had continued fighting and not fought the rematch you could question him about it. ... Fact is, he wasn't close to losing at all. The premise that he was afraid of a guy he gave a fight on less than a weeks notice is far sillier than anything else mentioned about the two.

i for one don't hold it terribly against
lennox that he denied the rematch. he
had the right to do that at his age and
of course he was not "afraid".

but everybody including the british
TV team had a moment in the second
- if i recall correctly - round where they
thought lennox was close to be taken
out. that plus the fact that klitschko was
ahead on all three cards and the stoppage
was in the end on a cut ... well "close to
losing" doesn't seem require terribly much
imagination.

The biggest punch in the fight was the uppercut by Lewis in the dominant 6th round.

But the uppercut didn't do a thing to Vitali... When Vitali hit Lewis with those rights in the 2nd round Lewis staggered and wobbled around. Then he got dirty

[gilgamesh]

Vitali was holding onto Lennox when he got hit with that uppercut, and he looked like he was hurt by the punch, but he was holding onto Lennox.

[Kalan]

You're blind... He wasn't hurt... It rocked him, but he didn't stagger and wobble around the ring like Lewis did when he got tagged.

[Kalan]

Lewis was FLATTENED a couple of times... exactly what would have happened to him if he hadn't gotten away with fouling... Vitali was never even knocked down EVER -- much less leveled and stopped with 1-shot... Vitali could have lined LL up at any time if he wasn't half blinded from the fouls blows.

[gilgamesh]

That's right buddy. Don't let facts get in the way of your opinions.

[gilgamesh]

Man these posts look so much better now

Kalan, who is currently on your ignore list, made this post

[L.A. kidd]

What kind of people discuss Ed 'too slow' Jones in a thread about the greatest heavyweights?

good question, the guy was class a bum, never had a punch, he could' t crack an egg, big embarrassment to the fight game.

[Kalan]

That's right buddy. Don't let facts get in the way of your opinions.

You're the guy who said Vitali "looked" like he was hurt by the punch... Lewis WAS hurt in the 2nd round when he got tagged... his legs were going. Vitali never staggered or wobbled, so your conclusions aren't drawn from facts.

[man]

Personally I don't think Lewis was close to being stopped

well, pretty much everyone who
watched the fight thought he was.

pretty incredible how people here
try to rewrite history. maybe you
guys should rewatch the dominant
performance of your darling one
more time.

when basically victorious lennox
lewis tried to say the same thing in
the interview right after the fight ...
not a single person believed him.
still remember his "i wouldn't say
that, larry, i wouldn't say that."

[SaadOffTheDeck]

[man]

The biggest punch in the fight was the uppercut by Lewis in the dominant 6th round.

which vitali took and which didn't
cause a cut. on the other hand the
right cross in the second made the
british commentators jump from
their seats.

common saad, you are better than
that. you are stretching your position
and you know it.

[hhaehre]

Personally I don't think Lewis was close to being stopped

well, pretty much everyone who
watched the fight thought he was.

pretty incredible how people here
try to rewrite history. maybe you
guys should rewatch the dominant
performance of your darling one
more time.

First of all I was hoping for a Vitali win when watching the fight, I never much cared for Lewis. What I saw however was a pretty close fight that, when stopped, was entirely winnable on points for Lewis had it gone on, as was only behind by a point or two. In that second round Lewis took some good shots but he never went down, never took a standing count and was never unable to defend himself, so no I don't think he was close to being stopped.

[man]

First of all I was hoping for a Vitali win when watching the fight, I never much cared for Lewis. What I saw however was a pretty close fight that, when stopped, was entirely winnable on points for Lewis had it gone on, as was only behind by a point or two. In that second round Lewis took some good shots but he never went down, never took a standing count and was never unable to defend himself, so no I don't think he was close to being stopped.

of course it was obviously winnable
for lewis. but we are talking here
whether he was close enough to
losing to make a rematch reasonable
and f^ck me, being behind by 2 points
after six, having been wobbled by big
shots and winning on cuts ... well, how
much "closer to losing" do you need to
get to warrant a rematch?

[SaadOffTheDeck]

The biggest punch in the fight was the uppercut by Lewis in the dominant 6th round.

which vitali took and which didn't
cause a cut. on the other hand the
right cross in the second made the
british commentators jump from
their seats.

common saad, you are better than
that. you are stretching your position
and you know it.

No. You can't handle that I disagree with you so you're searching for an agenda that doesn't exist.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

Personally I don't think Lewis was close to being stopped

well, pretty much everyone who
watched the fight thought he was.

pretty incredible how people here
try to rewrite history. maybe you
guys should rewatch the dominant
performance of your darling one
more time.

First of all I was hoping for a Vitali win when watching the fight, I never much cared for Lewis. What I saw however was a pretty close fight that, when stopped, was entirely winnable on points for Lewis had it gone on, as was only behind by a point or two. In that second round Lewis took some good shots but he never went down, never took a standing count and was never unable to defend himself, so no I don't think he was close to being stopped.

[Kalan]

well, pretty much everyone who
watched the fight thought he was.

pretty incredible how people here
try to rewrite history. maybe you
guys should rewatch the dominant
performance of your darling one
more time.

First of all I was hoping for a Vitali win when watching the fight, I never much cared for Lewis. What I saw however was a pretty close fight that, when stopped, was entirely winnable on points for Lewis had it gone on, as was only behind by a point or two. In that second round Lewis took some good shots but he never went down, never took a standing count and was never unable to defend himself, so no I don't think he was close to being stopped.

Lewis would have had to win 5 of the 6 remaining rounds to win a close 115-113 D... Vitali needed 3 of 6 to win... But that doesn't matter. Since foul blows caused the cuts and Vitali should have won a Unanimous Technical Decision according to the rules. The video clearly depicts the back of Lewis's glove as the edge and palm of Lewis's right glove slash Vitali's left eyelid open in a holding and hitting (so double foul) technique. some 10 seconds into the 3rd round..

Lewis continued to foul and was warned for rubbing the palm of his glove in Vitali's face.. if fouls cause or contribute to cuts that stop a fight, and 4 rounds have passed before a cut stoppage, the fight goes to the scorecards... If fewer than 4 rounds have elapsed it's a draw.

[man]

The biggest punch in the fight was the uppercut by Lewis in the dominant 6th round.

which vitali took and which didn't
cause a cut. on the other hand the
right cross in the second made the
british commentators jump from
their seats.

common saad, you are better than
that. you are stretching your position
and you know it.

No. You can't handle that I disagree with you so you're searching for an agenda that doesn't exist.

fair enough.

[man]

First of all I was hoping for a Vitali win when watching the fight, I never much cared for Lewis. What I saw however was a pretty close fight that, when stopped, was entirely winnable on points for Lewis had it gone on, as was only behind by a point or two. In that second round Lewis took some good shots but he never went down, never took a standing count and was never unable to defend himself, so no I don't think he was close to being stopped.

Lewis would have had to win 5 of the 6 remaining rounds to win a close 115-113 D... Vitali needed 3 of 6 to win... But that doesn't matter. Since foul blows caused the cuts and Vitali should have won a Unanimous Technical Decision according to the rules. The video clearly depicts the back of Lewis's glove as the edge and palm of Lewis's right glove slash Vitali's left eyelid open in a holding and hitting (so double foul) technique. some 10 seconds into the 3rd round..

Lewis continued to foul and was warned for rubbing the palm of his glove in Vitali's face.. if fouls cause or contribute to cuts that stop a fight, and 4 rounds have passed before a cut stoppage, the fight goes to the scorecards... If fewer than 4 rounds have elapsed it's a draw.

please. the stoppage was legit and
the cuts were not really controversial.
no ellbows, no head butts, and that
back of the glove thing can happen
in an active bout. no big deal.

am i the only sane person in this thread?

[Kalan]

Lewis would have had to win 5 of the 6 remaining rounds to win a close 115-113 D... Vitali needed 3 of 6 to win... But that doesn't matter. Since foul blows caused the cuts and Vitali should have won a Unanimous Technical Decision according to the rules. The video clearly depicts the back of Lewis's glove as the edge and palm of Lewis's right glove slash Vitali's left eyelid open in a holding and hitting (so double foul) technique. some 10 seconds into the 3rd round..

Lewis continued to foul and was warned for rubbing the palm of his glove in Vitali's face.. if fouls cause or contribute to cuts that stop a fight, and 4 rounds have passed before a cut stoppage, the fight goes to the scorecards... If fewer than 4 rounds have elapsed it's a draw.

please. the stoppage was legit and
the cuts were not really controversial.
no ellbows, no head butts, and that
back of the glove thing can happen
in an active bout. no big deal.

am i the only sane person in this thread?

I'm the only other one... The cuts were VERY controversial, since the British commentators said "the fight would go to the scorecards now" at the closing of the 4th round... Look at the first 15 seconds of the 3rd round, because that's when all the damage occurred... The thumb strike happened like 7 seconds into the round... and the holding and hitting palm slash 3 seconds later... Vitali was fine at the end of the 2nd... 15 seconds into the 3rd he was pouring blood -- and that was from the clearly visible palm slash which ripped the thumb strike nick wide open and slashed 2 more deep cuts on Vitali's face... And even if you think the referee could have missed the was holding and hitting at the same time ... clearly a foul.