Muhammad Ali vrs Brian London (August 1966)

[Caractacus]

50 years ago on August 06.1966.
Do any of you'all remember watching this on the telly back then ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l5qOBvFj9zA

[elmersalsa]

I was not even born, yet. But thanks for the piece of boxing history

[Kalan]

It was the biggest cherry-pick ever... London already had 14 losses including many KO losses... London only won 2 of his last 10 fights, of which this was one

[Caractacus]

What is interesting is that Brian London lives to see the 50th anniversary of his second shot at the World Heavyweight title
(I seem to remember there was a who lived to see the 50th anniversery of their title shots thread here a few years ago)
Also like his shot at Floyd Patterson,this one was also shown on live television for free.
(via the Early Bird Satellite that was launched in April 1965).

[Kalan]

Yes...but I think Don Cockell would have beaten London... London was beaten 21 times and knocked out 12 times... Cockell only lost 14 times and was only knocked out 9 times.

[BoxBuzz]

It was the biggest cherry-pick ever... London already had 14 losses including many KO losses... London only won 2 of his last 10 fights, of which this was one

Well it was a tip of the hat as Clay said, a chance for people to see him perform his craft, and a tune up opportunity. He was the guy in front of him on that day.

And there have been some other mismatches of that nature..hardly one of a kind..........

[Caractacus]

was Brian London the only opponent available for that tour date ?
How would have Billy Walker fared against Ali ?

[Kalan]

Amos Johnson, a very small Heavyweight, beat Henry Cooper easily in a boxoff.. Johnson was supposed to get the next shot at Ali... However Ali didn't want to fight Johnson because Johnson beat the Hell out of Ali in the Pan Am Trials.. Johnson didn't have any size or strength, but he had a very slick left hook in the inside that Ali couldn't get away from ... so Ali fought the loser Henry Cooper instead.

Then they told Johnson, "If you beat London and you fight Ali." ... But they had the fight rigged so Johnson would lose by DQ...the most bullshlt DQ ever seen in Boxing... After they pulled that on him, Johnson was never the same fighter... He was the last amateur to beat Ali -- and he beat the HELL out of him.

[DaveyMac]

Aren't Caractus and Kalan both that Ali hating guy that got banned a while back?

Why are they having a thread by themselves?

[gilgamesh]

Aren't Caractus and Kalan both that Ali hating guy that got banned a while back?

Why are they having a thread by themselves?

Agreeing with himself is the only way to get someone to agree with him I guess

[BoxBuzz]

Not one and the same contributor ....even if they share a few minority view points. Though they do seem to treat each other kindly.

[Kalan]

Aren't Caractus and Kalan both that Ali hating guy that got banned a while back?

Why are they having a thread by themselves?

Boy you're out of it... I am not Caractus or any other poster but Kalan.

[DaveyMac]

Maybe.

Pretty sure you are both that guy that got banned. Can't remember his name.

[Kalan]

I'm pretty sure you're insane.

[Ambling Alp II]

Yes...but I think Don Cockell would have beaten London... London was beaten 21 times and knocked out 12 times... Cockell only lost 14 times and was only knocked out 9 times.

Very useful information to base a predicition on..., if they fought the exact competition, at the exact stages their careers, and their opponents were in their exact stages of their careers. Maybe someone should look that up to see if that is the case.

[Caractacus]

Aren't Caractus and Kalan both that Ali hating guy that got banned a while back?

Why are they having a thread by themselves?

Agreeing with himself is the only way to get someone to agree with him I guess

You guys sound like Facist idiots.
Please bump a single thread where I posted anything bad about Muhammad Ali.
You wont find it,because you're full of crap.

[Caractacus]

Maybe.

Pretty sure you are both that guy that got banned. Can't remember his name.

yeah too bad you didn't get him sent to the Gulag for "re-education"as well I bet.

[Kalan]

Yes...but I think Don Cockell would have beaten London... London was beaten 21 times and knocked out 12 times... Cockell only lost 14 times and was only knocked out 9 times.

Very useful information to base a predicition on..., if they fought the exact competition, at the exact stages their careers, and their opponents were in their exact stages of their careers. Maybe someone should look that up to see if that is the case.

That was me being waggish, but you didn't get it... I was facetiously remarking on the massive number of times both were beaten more than who would win... I actually think London would have a better chance to win because Cockell was knocked out by Middleweight Randy Turpin and was more pudgy and inept than even London. But it's a pick 'em fight. Who's going to be worse on the night.

[jaclem3]

.....oh yes, i remember it well......i also remember london looking for a soft spot on the canvas just before patterson knocked him out...

[Woller]

I have just watched the Brian London v Amos Johnson fight again. If any boxer needed to be disqualified in a fight, it was Amos Johnson. He was okay for three rounds, then he ran out of gas an wanted a way out.

[Kalan]

I have just watched the Brian London v Amos Johnson fight again. If any boxer needed to be disqualified in a fight, it was Amos Johnson. He was okay for three rounds, then he ran out of gas an wanted a way out.

It was a BS DQ... Look at 28:32 of this video.. As Johnson ducked under a London right hand at 28:34 London ran into his right shoulder.. The referee jumps in and DQ's London apparently for ducking under a right. London grabbed Johnson's head and neck as Johnson brought his head back up, which is illegal, so I don't think there's a DQ there for Johnson. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o17uIfzeOtk

It was the only DQ of Johnson's career and the referee harassed him for imagined infractions throughout the fight. He had a big disagreement with his corner after the 2nd round. He was feeling extremely tired and sluggish and didn't want his trainer touching his face or giving him water. An Ali fight was promised to him if he beat Cooper, which he did very handily, but Cooper got the fight. Cooper beat London 3 times, but he same promise was made to Johnson if he beat London. He was feeling suspicious of everybody.

[Woller]

Okay - Then we are not seing the same fight.

[Woller]

Okay - Then we are not seing the same fight.

[Kalan]

Johnson was landing good shots just before the DQ... So I don't know why he would want a way out at that juncture... He ducked under a right and London grabbed his head...and was DQ'd... He wasn't butting anybody in the face which is was Henry Armstrong's style of fighting.

[ted822]

was Brian London the only opponent available for that tour date ?
How would have Billy Walker fared against Ali ?

Suffered the same fate as London mate. He was well outboxed by him when they fought. If you look at Londons record,over about 10/12 years he fought many of the best men of his day. That explains the number of losses. Only a 6 footer also. No world beater but a tough guy. He beat Zora Folley,though Zora was not at his best at that stage.