If Smith beats Canelo...
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tigermoth87
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If Smith beats Canelo...
Where will it rank it all time British wins?
I'd put it on par with Hatton's win over Tszyu but above Fury beating Wlad.
I'd put it on par with Hatton's win over Tszyu but above Fury beating Wlad.
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Better than both ,Hatton on reflection was fighting a semi retired champ , who was cashing out .
Fury - Klitchko , well say no more its still fresh in the mind ,
Makes Smith and Canelo a humongous feat if smith can do it , Canelo still considered at his peak , home town advantage , but if Brook can do it that will be just has good
Fury - Klitchko , well say no more its still fresh in the mind ,
Makes Smith and Canelo a humongous feat if smith can do it , Canelo still considered at his peak , home town advantage , but if Brook can do it that will be just has good
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hatton was held in far higher regard heading into the tszyu fight than smith is now, and had beaten a better calibre of opponent. liam beating canelo would be more impressive than hattons career best win imo
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Stevieb8006
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plus its away from homemike john wrote:hatton was held in far higher regard heading into the tszyu fight than smith is now, and had beaten a better calibre of opponent. liam beating canelo would be more impressive than hattons career best win imo
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Counter-puncher
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if he beat that ginger fvck it would be the biggest laugh boxing had given me for a long while
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I think liam smith could beat him,canelo isnt as good as golden boy make out,i had lara beating him but the judges give him a sd win and the judges who gave canelo the fight thought lara was the ginger one
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Lara would've won if they'd fought inside the junior middleweight limit.
This fight obviously IS inside the 154 division. Suiting Smith. But it's possible the aggression of Smith may suit Canelo, in that he likes the opponent to come to him.
Smith will have to outwork, push him back and not eat up the big counters. Difficult task but I see a good fight and wonder if the Mexican has a hard 12 rounds in him.
This fight obviously IS inside the 154 division. Suiting Smith. But it's possible the aggression of Smith may suit Canelo, in that he likes the opponent to come to him.
Smith will have to outwork, push him back and not eat up the big counters. Difficult task but I see a good fight and wonder if the Mexican has a hard 12 rounds in him.
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The thing though Lara would box rings round Smith, I like Smith but Canelo rehydrates to about a fornicating LHW and will be too big and strong.thechump wrote:I think liam smith could beat him,canelo isnt as good as golden boy make out,i had lara beating him but the judges give him a sd win and the judges who gave canelo the fight thought lara was the ginger one
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I'll laugh my ass off, and become a big fan of Smith for beating the Red Coward
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Lara loses fights because he thinks he can just hang back, and be defensive for 12 whole rounds without ever engaging in particularly eye catching offense and win just because. He deserved to lose against Canelo. Clearly.Autobarn wrote:Lara would've won if they'd fought inside the junior middleweight limit.
This fight obviously IS inside the 154 division. Suiting Smith. But it's possible the aggression of Smith may suit Canelo, in that he likes the opponent to come to him.
Smith will have to outwork, push him back and not eat up the big counters. Difficult task but I see a good fight and wonder if the Mexican has a hard 12 rounds in him.
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TheLeprechaun
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gilgamesh wrote:Lara loses fights because he thinks he can just hang back, and be defensive for 12 whole rounds without ever engaging in particularly eye catching offense and win just because. He deserved to lose against Canelo. Clearly.Autobarn wrote:Lara would've won if they'd fought inside the junior middleweight limit.
This fight obviously IS inside the 154 division. Suiting Smith. But it's possible the aggression of Smith may suit Canelo, in that he likes the opponent to come to him.
Smith will have to outwork, push him back and not eat up the big counters. Difficult task but I see a good fight and wonder if the Mexican has a hard 12 rounds in him.
Agreed. At least with Mayweather we usually got to see some clean counters landing in every round.
Lara does nothing eye catching and fights defensively for the full 3 minutes. I'm not surprised that judges give him nothing.
Rigondeaux will end up losing a close fight like that eventually too. LSC, Frampton, Lomachenko, even Quigg could all "win". This is the same guy who breaks Dickens jaw, has him running and then throws nothing for a good 2 minutes.
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TheLeprechaun
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As far as this fight goes, Smith is just outgunned physically. He's going to feel like he's fighting a much bigger man. He won't be able to take Canelos shots.
Kind of reminds me of Callum vs Rocky Fielding. There was a huge difference in size when they got in the ring. Even beforehand to be honest. I just didn't pick up on it until after the fight when the referee had them in the middle of the ring and Callum was being announced as the winner. I noticed that Fielding looked about 2 weight divisions smaller. Look at how broad Smith is vs Fielding in this pic taken before the fight

This is what I'm talking about in the Canelo Smith fight too. I know Canelo is shorter but he looks much much broader.

Big difference in size. Even Smiths head is much smaller. Look at the difference in neck size. Canelo's fist looks much bigger etc etc
Kind of reminds me of Callum vs Rocky Fielding. There was a huge difference in size when they got in the ring. Even beforehand to be honest. I just didn't pick up on it until after the fight when the referee had them in the middle of the ring and Callum was being announced as the winner. I noticed that Fielding looked about 2 weight divisions smaller. Look at how broad Smith is vs Fielding in this pic taken before the fight
This is what I'm talking about in the Canelo Smith fight too. I know Canelo is shorter but he looks much much broader.

Big difference in size. Even Smiths head is much smaller. Look at the difference in neck size. Canelo's fist looks much bigger etc etc
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ChessBoxer
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Smith is a fantastic boxer don't get me wrong it would be a tremendous achievement but realistically its not happening.
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The thing with smith is we dont really know what level he is on and this fight with canelo will tell us more,i think smith will make a good account of himself and could win this. We have never seen smith get hit properly yet and when u think about it we havebt really seen canelo get hit properly yet,against mayweather that didnt tell us much about him against lara it didnt tell us much either and against glass chin kirkland that was a waste of time. Smith hasnt fought anyone who is in the calibre of canelo's opponents but i just think we will see a shock here
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Smith hasn't beaten a fighter who has won a title at national level or a fighter in the world top 80.
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I agree to a large extent. But if they had fought actually at light middle, Canelo would have been able to do less. There was a reason, handicapping in favour of Alvarez, that the fight was made as a non title over the weight matchup.gilgamesh wrote:Lara loses fights because he thinks he can just hang back, and be defensive for 12 whole rounds without ever engaging in particularly eye catching offense and win just because. He deserved to lose against Canelo. Clearly.Autobarn wrote:Lara would've won if they'd fought inside the junior middleweight limit.
This fight obviously IS inside the 154 division. Suiting Smith. But it's possible the aggression of Smith may suit Canelo, in that he likes the opponent to come to him.
Smith will have to outwork, push him back and not eat up the big counters. Difficult task but I see a good fight and wonder if the Mexican has a hard 12 rounds in him.
Gave him the edge when he needed one.
Of course, Lara doesn't help himself with his negativity.
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Depends how you're ranking wins; as an upset it would be right up there. Smith is 13/2 which is longer odds than a lot of famous British upsets.
Hatton 15/8 vs Tyszu
Fury 3/1 vs Klit
Honeygahn 5/1 vs Curry
Williams 6/1 vs Tyson
Laing 7/1 vs Duran
In terms of as a scalp it depends how you rate Alvarez. Personally I doubt Canelo will be an ATG.
Hatton 15/8 vs Tyszu
Fury 3/1 vs Klit
Honeygahn 5/1 vs Curry
Williams 6/1 vs Tyson
Laing 7/1 vs Duran
In terms of as a scalp it depends how you rate Alvarez. Personally I doubt Canelo will be an ATG.
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I thought Canelo beat Lara 7-5 myself. I dunno how you scored it Gil?gilgamesh wrote:Lara loses fights because he thinks he can just hang back, and be defensive for 12 whole rounds without ever engaging in particularly eye catching offense and win just because. He deserved to lose against Canelo. Clearly.Autobarn wrote:Lara would've won if they'd fought inside the junior middleweight limit.
This fight obviously IS inside the 154 division. Suiting Smith. But it's possible the aggression of Smith may suit Canelo, in that he likes the opponent to come to him.
Smith will have to outwork, push him back and not eat up the big counters. Difficult task but I see a good fight and wonder if the Mexican has a hard 12 rounds in him.
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Best post here's that Lara and trout would have given Smith nightmares. It's just a case of how much maki g 154 takes out of Canelo. I am excited for this fight as the styles can't help but make it entertaining
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The fight was at 155 instead of 154. I don't think 1 pound would've made much difference if any.Autobarn wrote:I agree to a large extent. But if they had fought actually at light middle, Canelo would have been able to do less. There was a reason, handicapping in favour of Alvarez, that the fight was made as a non title over the weight matchup.gilgamesh wrote:Lara loses fights because he thinks he can just hang back, and be defensive for 12 whole rounds without ever engaging in particularly eye catching offense and win just because. He deserved to lose against Canelo. Clearly.Autobarn wrote:Lara would've won if they'd fought inside the junior middleweight limit.
This fight obviously IS inside the 154 division. Suiting Smith. But it's possible the aggression of Smith may suit Canelo, in that he likes the opponent to come to him.
Smith will have to outwork, push him back and not eat up the big counters. Difficult task but I see a good fight and wonder if the Mexican has a hard 12 rounds in him.
Gave him the edge when he needed one.
Of course, Lara doesn't help himself with his negativity.
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116-112 Canelo I think. Maybe 117-111...I didn't think it was debatable who won I know that. I was even more baffled when people started mentioning that they thought Canelo vs Cotto was a robbery and that Cotto deserved to win, I thought Canelo won that fight as clear as you possibly could. Cotto landed more jabs, but damn near every meaningful power punch all fight long was from Canelo, even his jabs were harder. I remember I had that one 118-110 Canelo or maybe even 119-109...I thought people were kidding when they said they thought it was close. It wasn't close at all.lefty wrote:I thought Canelo beat Lara 7-5 myself. I dunno how you scored it Gil?gilgamesh wrote:Lara loses fights because he thinks he can just hang back, and be defensive for 12 whole rounds without ever engaging in particularly eye catching offense and win just because. He deserved to lose against Canelo. Clearly.Autobarn wrote:Lara would've won if they'd fought inside the junior middleweight limit.
This fight obviously IS inside the 154 division. Suiting Smith. But it's possible the aggression of Smith may suit Canelo, in that he likes the opponent to come to him.
Smith will have to outwork, push him back and not eat up the big counters. Difficult task but I see a good fight and wonder if the Mexican has a hard 12 rounds in him.
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Fielding has always looked huge as a super middleweight to me so it shows just how big Callum is.TheLeprechaun wrote:As far as this fight goes, Smith is just outgunned physically. He's going to feel like he's fighting a much bigger man. He won't be able to take Canelos shots.
Kind of reminds me of Callum vs Rocky Fielding. There was a huge difference in size when they got in the ring. Even beforehand to be honest. I just didn't pick up on it until after the fight when the referee had them in the middle of the ring and Callum was being announced as the winner. I noticed that Fielding looked about 2 weight divisions smaller. Look at how broad Smith is vs Fielding in this pic taken before the fight
This is what I'm talking about in the Canelo Smith fight too. I know Canelo is shorter but he looks much much broader.
Big difference in size. Even Smiths head is much smaller. Look at the difference in neck size. Canelo's fist looks much bigger etc etc
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I don't think Smith will do any better than Khan to be honest, Khan is a better boxer than Smith and got KTFO as soon as Canelo landed properly, same will happen with Smith mid rounds. Smith just isn't at this level and it will son become apparent as soon as Canelo connects on his chin.
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Boxerbeetle
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Smith doesn't seem anywhere near as chinny as Khan or Kirkland? Who else has Canelo ko'd early?Rexob wrote:I don't think Smith will do any better than Khan to be honest, Khan is a better boxer than Smith and got KTFO as soon as Canelo landed properly, same will happen with Smith mid rounds. Smith just isn't at this level and it will son become apparent as soon as Canelo connects on his chin.