Anyone here picking Brook to win?

[jamesmcdonnell]

So can we think of examples of UK fighters taking on lethal punchers? And doing well. especially at home.

How about Duke McKenzie v Gaby Canizales? Duke beat him so well that people criticised Canizales for being overrated or for not trying. GC had just destroyed the outstanding Miguel Lora to become champion.

There was also Billy Hardy's two fights with Orlando Canizales. When OC put his shots together he was a killer,or could be. Hardy did well enough to almost win the first at home and gave the champ some awkward moments in the Texas rematch before succumbing to the heat and the power punches.

Trying to think of a precedent, something to find a little hope and encouragement.

Honeyghan v Curry - curry was about as lethal a finisher as they come.

yeah, Curry was textbook, every punch seemed to have full leverage on it. Honeyghan's unorthodoxy really seemed to help that night. He was so quick,intuitive and unpredictable; he looked like even he didn't know what he was going to do next. Curry was bewildered and hurt.

I did read some years later, that Curry had in fact been a very naughty boy, and had developed a taste for Cocaine (I'd find it easy to believe Honeyghan liked a bit of Charlie), and had weightmaking issues for some time, however, we will never know the full truth.

[Counter-puncher]

the weightmaking issues were well-known at least as far back as the Colin Jones fight, where the brit journalists were s little shocked by Curry's regime IIRC

[TheLeprechaun]

His legs will go as soon as GGG lands. Brook will be in survival mode straight away after feeling the power in GGGs jab. Will be terrible imo. Brook holding and mauling desperately til GGG gets him out of there. I say round 4.

I think his only chance is to bang GGG out of there himself.

That's not much of a chance, GGG has been hit square on by far bigger punchers than brook, with no discernable effect.

Any road to victory has a very slim chance however, whatever he tries to do, GGG is going to have the advantage. If he was a slick rangy speedster it would be a different matter, but brook isn't that sort of fighter, he fights with his feet planted and a wide stance. He's a very good little fighter is Brook, but he's just not at GGG's level technically.

Fair play to him though - you can call it foolhardy, or you can call it brave, but he's certainly got some guts to take on GGG.

Its a long shot but if he comes in carrying 160 power and can hurt GGG then we are in for a fight.If these two were fighting in a pound-for-pound sense (same weight division etc), you have to give Brook some chance because he would be carrying round about equivalent power. We all think he is outgunned and outchinned as well. But sometimes the opposite can happen. It's a long shot but I remember DLH was a big underdog vs Mayorga, with the expectation coming in that Mayorga was carrying more power and had a much more solid chin that could stand up to DLHs punches. DLH had just been stopped by Hopkins. Turns out DLH was the bigger puncher and had the better chin, the opposite of what everyone thought coming in. In hindsight it looks like a predictable win but I remember practically everyone was picking Mayorga

[BrackaBarclay]

The thing is, every fight is separate and should be judged individually, but the Brit losers in these circumstances are the norm. We might have 1 or 2 wins, but how many failures? Loads....

[jamesmcdonnell]

I think his only chance is to bang GGG out of there himself.

That's not much of a chance, GGG has been hit square on by far bigger punchers than brook, with no discernable effect.

Any road to victory has a very slim chance however, whatever he tries to do, GGG is going to have the advantage. If he was a slick rangy speedster it would be a different matter, but brook isn't that sort of fighter, he fights with his feet planted and a wide stance. He's a very good little fighter is Brook, but he's just not at GGG's level technically.

Fair play to him though - you can call it foolhardy, or you can call it brave, but he's certainly got some guts to take on GGG.

Its a long shot but if he comes in carrying 160 power and can hurt GGG then we are in for a fight.If these two were fighting in a pound-for-pound sense (same weight division etc), you have to give Brook some chance because he would be carrying round about equivalent power. We all think he is outgunned and outchinned as well. But sometimes the opposite can happen. It's a long shot but I remember DLH was a big underdog vs Mayorga, with the expectation coming in that Mayorga was carrying more power and had a much more solid chin that could stand up to DLHs punches. DLH had just been stopped by Hopkins. Turns out DLH was the bigger puncher and had the better chin, the opposite of what everyone thought coming in. In hindsight it looks like a predictable win but I remember practically everyone was picking Mayorga

Even in a pound for pound sense, GGG hits harder. He does everything better than Brook.

[magwitch]

30 day weigh-in:

Brook 176
GGG 165

12 and a half stone for a 12 stone fight whilst Golovkin is on weight a full one month out.... Is that normal? Who is actually the bigger man here?
I know Brook fought a couple of months back but still...I would have expected the numbers to be the other way about if anything.. But...I’m not a boxer, what do I know?

12 stone fight? you sure about that?

Amazed no one else picked up on that one.

It is an eleven and a half stone fight and Brook has over a stone to lose.

You are in fact correct there, my mistake

[Autobarn]

So what can you do vs a murderous puncher / pressure fighter like Golovkin?

Outbox, tie him up, push him back? Hit him when he doesn't want to be hit, etc? Like Holyfield-Tyson 1 and Mosley-margarito?

So many people have crumbled vs Golovkin. How will he fare when someone stands up to him?

Trying to find a positive, somewhere.

[chinarich]

Brook wins. Points. There, I said it...

[emallini]

Brook wins. Points. There, I said it...

How?

[chinarich]

Brook wins. Points. There, I said it...

How?

The question was: "Anyone here picking Brook to win?". I am and I think he will win on points. How? Probably by the judges scoring in his favour...

[Rexob]

[ClivePatrickLyons]

He isn't the best welterweight in the world let alone middleweight Brook is no chance.

[ClivePatrickLyons]

Brook wins. Points. There, I said it...

You talking like it was brave to even say what you said that's a scary thought good luck with your prediction you'll need it.If Brook wins GGG is the most over-rated fighter in the last 20 year's i'v layed eye's on and that will make Brook one of the most under-rated welterweight's in history.

[Autobarn]

This matchup is so far out of left field that I don't know what will happen.

I might be open to something strange or unpredictable happening.

A genuine factor could be the amount of fighters who've ducked Golovkin and denied him something in terms of development. What if that, and his own power, have made things too easy - and he's not prepared for when things get difficult? Due to boxing politics and a weak middleweight division, you'd have to say GGG has not yet been in a true crisis and this may inhibit him one day.

Back around '98 I expected Carl Thompson to pummel Chris Eubank to the canvas. Instead Thompson had to get up, overcome a few serious wobbles and in the second half drag Chris through some of the most brutal sustained exchanges seen in a British ring, to earn a narrow decision.

On the other hand I fully expected Amir Khan to get taken out while ahead on points versus Alvarez.


Is Kell a small minded talented guy, who took the home payday and wanted to eat more in preparation?? Or is he a major talent with a keen sense of his own destiny, about to do something impressive?

[jimcook]

although im not suggesting brook is the equal of duran and leonard....both these guys ,one a career lightweight, moved up and fought relatively close fights with the dominant beast who was hagler. the size difference between brook and ggg is not as much as its made out to be. brook is fast enough, mobile enough,has excellent power, seems to have a chin , and a good boxing brain. he's also unbeaten and has an excellent experienced team behind him.....so why is he being so thoroughly written off?

[Autobarn]

Good point, they were able to disrup Hagler's rhythm.

Mugabi, too.

[Boxerbeetle]

although im not suggesting brook is the equal of duran and leonard....both these guys ,one a career lightweight, moved up and fought relatively close fights with the dominant beast who was hagler. the size difference between brook and ggg is not as much as its made out to be. brook is fast enough, mobile enough,has excellent power, seems to have a chin , and a good boxing brain. he's also unbeaten and has an excellent experienced team behind him.....so why is he being so thoroughly written off?

Because GGG is frankly better in every single department, even without considering the size difference.

[jimcook]

although im not suggesting brook is the equal of duran and leonard....both these guys ,one a career lightweight, moved up and fought relatively close fights with the dominant beast who was hagler. the size difference between brook and ggg is not as much as its made out to be. brook is fast enough, mobile enough,has excellent power, seems to have a chin , and a good boxing brain. he's also unbeaten and has an excellent experienced team behind him.....so why is he being so thoroughly written off?

Because GGG is frankly better in every single department, even without considering the size difference.

yes everyone seems to think so, but id rather wait and see if he can perform against top class opposition. people go on about brooks underwhelming list of opponents, but ggg's might be even worse. the guy who lasted the longest with ggg was murray , who never managed to beat an over the hill 40 year old career welterweight with dodgy knees in martinez.
i dunno if its hype or no, but a lot of people are saying that brook will be ggg's best opponent. if that is the case then how can ggg be so highly rated

[Counter-puncher]

calling Martinez a career welterweight is a stretch, by the time he fought murray he hadn't been at 147 for about 6 years

[Counter-puncher]

12 years, actually, having looked it up.

[jamesmcdonnell]

although im not suggesting brook is the equal of duran and leonard....both these guys ,one a career lightweight, moved up and fought relatively close fights with the dominant beast who was hagler. the size difference between brook and ggg is not as much as its made out to be. brook is fast enough, mobile enough,has excellent power, seems to have a chin , and a good boxing brain. he's also unbeaten and has an excellent experienced team behind him.....so why is he being so thoroughly written off?

Because GGG is frankly better in every single department, even without considering the size difference.

yes everyone seems to think so, but id rather wait and see if he can perform against top class opposition. people go on about brooks underwhelming list of opponents, but ggg's might be even worse. the guy who lasted the longest with ggg was murray , who never managed to beat an over the hill 40 year old career welterweight with dodgy knees in martinez.
i dunno if its hype or no, but a lot of people are saying that brook will be ggg's best opponent. if that is the case then how can ggg be so highly rated

That's an extremely poor case your making there, so because Murray lasted a while, that somehow makes GGG not that good? Hmm, weak.

[Autobarn]

What if Golovkin gets the flu?

Can Kell capitalise?

[Teddy's Toupee]

Golovkin could suffer a heart attack and drop down dead during the bout, or would that be ruled a no contest?

[Boxerbeetle]

Golovkin could suffer a heart attack and drop down dead during the bout, or would that be ruled a no contest?

Dunno, maybe it would go to the scorecards after 4 completed rounds?

[mike john]

If these two were fighting in a pound-for-pound sense (same weight division etc), you have to give Brook some chance because he would be carrying round about equivalent power.

not sure if I'm reading this right mate, but if you're saying that brook punches as hard as a welter as ggg hits as a middle, in other words that golovkin hits harder than brook only because he's bigger, you're bang wrong.