Mick Conlan speaks out

[TerribleTerry]

For those who haven't seen it...

https://vimeo.com/179093973

[handsofstone]

I know im gonna be in the minority here but i dont think it was that bad a decision,i had Conlan taking the 1st and 2nd but the 1st was close and the Russian had his moments,sorry but it wasnt the robbery i was expecting,Michael shipped shots in there and it wasnt the whitewash i was expecting

Maybe that says more about my ability to score a fight or my lack of understanding of amatuer scoring but perhaps if it wasnt for the already dodgy scoring in previous fights and Conlan's outburts afterwards would we be making such a big deal??

IMO it was a closely contested fight

Edit-It was the 1st 2 rounds i gave Conlan and not the 1st and 3rd

[cutsman]

I know im gonna be in the minority here but i dont think it was that bad a decision,i had Conlan taking the 1st and 3rd but the 1st was close and the Russian had his moments,sorry but it wasnt the robbery i was expecting,Michael shipped shots in there and it wasnt the whitewash i was expecting

Maybe that says more about my ability to score a fight or my lack of understanding of amatuer scoring but perhaps if it wasnt for the already dodgy scoring in previous fights and Conlan's outburts afterwards would we be making such a big deal??

IMO it was a closely contested fight

I was about to post the same thing. It's the first time I've seen the fight and the first round was a bit of A suspect decision, but I had the Russian winning the 3rd

[crusader]

Watching it again it doesn't seem as bad. Conlan was more busy with those flurries in close, but the Russian was finding him regularly with single shots between those punches.

Still think he won though

[Ketchel]

Conlon clearly won the first and second rounds. The third was harder to scored but I edged towards the Russian in this one. Conlon should have been given the decision.

[TerribleTerry]

It wasn't as disgusting a decision as the out and out daylight robbery of Levitt in the heavyweight final but it was still very poor imo.

Conlon boxed the head off him and beat him at his own game.

[Counter-puncher]

Levit, and the German-Armenian losing to the Turk, are the worst I have seen

[mullenman]

Compu box had conlon losing the first 28-16 in punches landed

[Deno1986]

Russian has been withdrawn because of injury, fractured jaw being mentioned. Stevenson given walkover into the final.

[lillywhite14]

I know im gonna be in the minority here but i dont think it was that bad a decision,i had Conlan taking the 1st and 3rd but the 1st was close and the Russian had his moments,sorry but it wasnt the robbery i was expecting,Michael shipped shots in there and it wasnt the whitewash i was expecting

Maybe that says more about my ability to score a fight or my lack of understanding of amatuer scoring but perhaps if it wasnt for the already dodgy scoring in previous fights and Conlan's outburts afterwards would we be making such a big deal??

IMO it was a closely contested fight

I had Conlon winning it but I've seen quite a few fights with worse decisions. I don't score shots that don't land. Conlan had a lot of those.

[handsofstone]

I know im gonna be in the minority here but i dont think it was that bad a decision,i had Conlan taking the 1st and 3rd but the 1st was close and the Russian had his moments,sorry but it wasnt the robbery i was expecting,Michael shipped shots in there and it wasnt the whitewash i was expecting

Maybe that says more about my ability to score a fight or my lack of understanding of amatuer scoring but perhaps if it wasnt for the already dodgy scoring in previous fights and Conlan's outburts afterwards would we be making such a big deal??

IMO it was a closely contested fight

I was about to post the same thing. It's the first time I've seen the fight and the first round was a bit of A suspect decision, but I had the Russian winning the 3rd

So did i,i meant to say i gave Conlan the 1st 2 and the last for the Russian

[TerribleTerry]

If you haven't seen the heavyweight final - with the gold medal on the line - I employee you to seek it out, watch it and tell me that the result wasn't bent.

Conlon's fight may look just a bad decision in isolation but when viewed in the context of the cheating that went on in favour of a Russian boxer the night before, you will then better understand that there was no way Conlon was ever getting that decision.

The Levit result ruined the tournament for me. Was loving it up to that point.

[Feargal....]

Conlon robbery was worse than the decision against Kenny Egan in 2008.

[Feargal....]

He definitely got robbed but Katie Taylor didn't.

In Ireland everyone is going around saying Taylor got robbed.

I'm not.

Katie was well below her past best and didn't do enough to win. No one I've spoken to believes she deserved a win.

Absolutely gutted for Conlan but I'm looking forward to seeing him in the pros. He deserves better than what he was put through today.

Katie lost fair and square. A pale shadow of her former self. Done us proud though, owes us nothing.

[JMac]

Conlon robbery was worse than the decision against Kenny Egan in 2008.

I wouldn't say it was worse...both equally bad. I was a R/J in Beijing and was fed up with the cheating going on. All of the R/J's were kept in a room during the 15 days of boxing. It had a TV with the boxing but no scores. It was open scoring then and the coaches and fans saw the scores during the fight. Egan's fight was the 2nd to last fight of the Olympics. They already came into the R/J room to call out the officials for the last fight so I knew I wasn't working it. In the room next to us was a small room that the E.D. of AIBA was using. His name was Ho Kim and there was claims that he was changing the names of officials after the computer would spit them out for each bout.
Anyway I wanted to watch the Egan fight with the live scores so i went into Ho Kim's room. Normally he wouldn't let us in there to see the scores because they were afraid we would somehow contact the judges working the fight and let them know the score. Since it was the end of the Olympics he didn't care that I came in to watch. So as the Kenny would land punches, the score would go to the Chinese boxers because the fix was in for him. Ho Kim was yelling "what are these judges looking at"? I just looked at him and said you should know, you put them in there.
It is so sad that certain countries don't care how hard a boxer not from their country worked to win gold. If the boxer is not from their country and they want the gold, too bad for the other boxer.

[coneye]

Watched the fight for the first time and like others , I think Conlon done enough ,, but it was'nt the blatant robbery i thought it was going to be . Conlon was faster threw more , but missed a lot , the russian was;nt has busy first and second round but probably a shade more accurate ,, I think it depends on what you score ,, punches thrown its Conlon all the way , if your counting EFFECTIVE , PUNCHES SCORED WITH THE KNUCKLE PART OF THE GLOVE WITH THE WEIGHT OF THE SHOULDER BEHIND IT . then it starts to even up ..

Not the baltant rip off i thought i was going to see ,, but with saying that i thought Conlon won , and ameteur boxing , yeh its just has bad has the pro's , probably worse because theres not has much money involved ,

[Redback Rasta]

The AIBA has sent home a number of judges and referees following outrage over a string of contentious decisions, amid ongoing claims of wider corruption at the Rio boxing tournament.

Six Aiba judges and referees are believed to have been sent home after the governing body reviewed the footage from contentious bouts.

AIBA said it took “immediate and appropriate actions” after carrying out a thorough examination by the relevant commission. The world body said it would not name them or confirm how many officials it had taken action against for fear of embarrassing the families of those concerned. However, they did not include Colombia’s Armando Carbonell, who officiated in the now notorious Evgeny Tishchenko gold-medal bout on Monday and gave all four rounds against the Hartlepool middleweight Savannah Marshall in her losing quarter-final against Nouchka Fontijn. Aiba said that all of the results so far would stand.

Conlan, who said after his fight he would never box in an AIBA event again, tweeted: “Wow this says a lot about AIBA, Sending judges home who ruin dreams, what happens 2 the ppl whose dreams were ruined?”

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2016/ ... e-rio-2016

[TheGoods]

Savannah Marshall got hosed too. Colombian who gave NED all four rounds was also involved in the men's heavyweight gold stick up. It's so wrong that years and years of graft is turned to sh*t cos some fat ugly official who has probably never had their hands up in their lives has another agenda. The dogs.

[handsofstone]

Watched the fight for the first time and like others , I think Conlon done enough ,, but it was'nt the blatant robbery i thought it was going to be . Conlon was faster threw more , but missed a lot , the russian was;nt has busy first and second round but probably a shade more accurate ,, I think it depends on what you score ,, punches thrown its Conlon all the way , if your counting EFFECTIVE , PUNCHES SCORED WITH THE KNUCKLE PART OF THE GLOVE WITH THE WEIGHT OF THE SHOULDER BEHIND IT . then it starts to even up ..

Not the baltant rip off i thought i was going to see ,, but with saying that i thought Conlon won , and ameteur boxing , yeh its just has bad has the pro's , probably worse because theres not has much money involved ,

This

[Anzi]

The Russian after being given two ridiculous decisions to get through, might not be fit to fight against the American Shakur Stevenson due to cuts he received against Conlan ironically, what now AIBA ?

[manchester-mexican]

Remember this ? Got to be one of the worst. http://deadspin.com/5931226/was-this-di ... atch-fixed

That was truly embarrassing

[crusader]

The Russian after being given two ridiculous decisions to get through, might not be fit to fight against the American Shakur Stevenson due to cuts he received against Conlan ironically, what now AIBA ?

I think the Russian was cut by the Thai prior to facing Conlan....at least the big gash along the side of his head. Incidentally, watching both fights again I think the Thai was robbed about as badly.

[rhino222]

ok..ill be unpopular but here goes.

i have just watched the fight without commentary, im a qualified amateur judge (old system) and have attended hundreds of pro shows.......

I expected a 3 round walkover according to all of the press and social media hype.

what i saw was a very close first, conlans style is more of a pro style than an amateur, his flashy style is not suited to amateur scoring, even though its now done in a pro format. I can honestly see how conlan lost the first, the russians single shots were cleaner than conlans blocked flurrys.

the second round was definately conlans but the russian had sporadic success.

The 3rd I gave to conlan but it could have possibly been shared, therefore anyone could have given it either way...

i then watched the fight with the sound on, the commentary was the most biased commentary i have ever seen, conlans flurrys against arms etc were being scored by the commentator (irish!!). The rules are clear......sufficient force...target area.....etc etc

I would have scored the fight 29-28 conlan, therefore it could have swung either way if you looked for effective single shots.

just my take on it...im open for abuse from fellow forum members.

[lillywhite14]

I don't think you'll find any abuse coming your way Rhino. Fair assessment imo

The home coverage of the boxing is always ridiculously biased, couple that with a lot of irish seemingly crying robbery everytime their fighter loses and it's all got a bit silly.

[locoxelbox]

ok..ill be unpopular but here goes.

i have just watched the fight without commentary, im a qualified amateur judge (old system) and have attended hundreds of pro shows.......

I expected a 3 round walkover according to all of the press and social media hype.

what i saw was a very close first, conlans style is more of a pro style than an amateur, his flashy style is not suited to amateur scoring, even though its now done in a pro format. I can honestly see how conlan lost the first, the russians single shots were cleaner than conlans blocked flurrys.

the second round was definately conlans but the russian had sporadic success.

The 3rd I gave to conlan but it could have possibly been shared, therefore anyone could have given it either way...

i then watched the fight with the sound on, the commentary was the most biased commentary i have ever seen, conlans flurrys against arms etc were being scored by the commentator (irish!!). The rules are clear......sufficient force...target area.....etc etc

I would have scored the fight 29-28 conlan, therefore it could have swung either way if you looked for effective single shots.

just my take on it...im open for abuse from fellow forum members.

Agree 100%. I had 29-28 Conlan but the russian was also hitting with clean shots. If Conlan was from, say Uganda, nobody in the international press would have cared.
Nikitin´s win against the thai Chatchai Butdee was really poor scoring though.