All The Kell Brook Haters Show Your Face

[jbizzle20]

Isn't Brook more of a natural welterweight? Golovkin is one of the most powerful middleweights of all time. This isn't going to be Hagler-Leonard because Golovkin is still pretty fresh and in shape. He just plastered Wade in 2, last time out. Brook is going to have a hard time mounting any offense against Golovkin because he could be dropped in an instant, at any time, by Golovkin's far superior power. Brook will have to stay away and keep out of Golovkin's range constantly. However, Golovkin is no idiot when it comes to intelligence and tech. He could just as easily cut off the ring and, if that happens, Brook is done for. How could Brook's management allow him to take such a dangerous risk?

Maybe they know something you don't? Maybe it's GGGs opposition that has made him into this killer among fans and Brook really does have the opportunity to achieve the impossible in most people's eyes. I don't see how Brook wins unless he bring Mayweather type defense into the ring, but maybe he doesn't need it, we shall see.

GGG's ring smarts and especially how well he fights inside are under-rated imo. Brook will be forced to try and tie GGG up, and he will pay for it. I doubt he can get on his bike the whole fight carrying the extra weight either. He is big enough, but totally untested at the weight. A lot of unknown variables, most importantly how well he takes middleweight power. Brook is a good boxer, but he would definitely get beat by guys like Andrade or Lara for example. After he loses, hopefully we can see those fights.

This. Brook might lose his advantages in foot quickness at this weight. Even Floyd Jr. knew to stay away from the middleweight div.

[jezzamundo]

Isn't Brook more of a natural welterweight? Golovkin is one of the most powerful middleweights of all time. This isn't going to be Hagler-Leonard because Golovkin is still pretty fresh and in shape. He just plastered Wade in 2, last time out. Brook is going to have a hard time mounting any offense against Golovkin because he could be dropped in an instant, at any time, by Golovkin's far superior power. Brook will have to stay away and keep out of Golovkin's range constantly. However, Golovkin is no idiot when it comes to intelligence and tech. He could just as easily cut off the ring and, if that happens, Brook is done for. How could Brook's management allow him to take such a dangerous risk?

Maybe they know something you don't? Maybe it's GGGs opposition that has made him into this killer among fans and Brook really does have the opportunity to achieve the impossible in most people's eyes. I don't see how Brook wins unless he bring Mayweather type defense into the ring, but maybe he doesn't need it, we shall see.

GGG's ring smarts and especially how well he fights inside are under-rated imo. Brook will be forced to try and tie GGG up, and he will pay for it. I doubt he can get on his bike the whole fight carrying the extra weight either. He is big enough, but totally untested at the weight. A lot of unknown variables, most importantly how well he takes middleweight power. Brook is a good boxer, but he would definitely get beat by guys like Andrade or Lara for example. After he loses, hopefully we can see those fights.

I actually disagree that GGG fights well on the inside - I think he operates best and mid-to-long range. The most trouble he has ever been in in his pro career to date was against Kassim Ouma, who was able to successfully exchange with GGG on the inside for a good portion of their fight. Willie Monroe had no hope in boxing GGG from the outside, but once he stood his ground and started flurrying on the inside, he had successs and took less punishment himself. I think GGG's power somewhat depends on him being able to extend his arms - he can fight on the inside for sure, but his power is reduced and he can take a lot of punches when his opponent has faster hands than him.

[Badhusker]

Maybe they know something you don't? Maybe it's GGGs opposition that has made him into this killer among fans and Brook really does have the opportunity to achieve the impossible in most people's eyes. I don't see how Brook wins unless he bring Mayweather type defense into the ring, but maybe he doesn't need it, we shall see.

GGG's ring smarts and especially how well he fights inside are under-rated imo. Brook will be forced to try and tie GGG up, and he will pay for it. I doubt he can get on his bike the whole fight carrying the extra weight either. He is big enough, but totally untested at the weight. A lot of unknown variables, most importantly how well he takes middleweight power. Brook is a good boxer, but he would definitely get beat by guys like Andrade or Lara for example. After he loses, hopefully we can see those fights.

I actually disagree that GGG fights well on the inside - I think he operates best and mid-to-long range. The most trouble he has ever been in in his pro career to date was against Kassim Ouma, who was able to successfully exchange with GGG on the inside for a good portion of their fight. Willie Monroe had no hope in boxing GGG from the outside, but once he stood his ground and started flurrying on the inside, he had successs and took less punishment himself. I think GGG's power somewhat depends on him being able to extend his arms - he can fight on the inside for sure, but his power is reduced and he can take a lot of punches when his opponent has faster hands than him.

You might be right about him taking more punches with guys faster than him. I know the Ouma fight was not his best fight. He looked really sluggish to me in that fight, but credit Ouma for having an iron chin. I think it was the first or maybe second time Ouma was stopped, and he was in with some good guys.

One thing GGG has shown is his good chin. I have not seen him really rocked yet, and he has been in with some good punchers. I agree he doesn't have the best defense, but no one has made him respect their power really yet, and doubt if Brook is that guy.

[jezzamundo]

GGG's ring smarts and especially how well he fights inside are under-rated imo. Brook will be forced to try and tie GGG up, and he will pay for it. I doubt he can get on his bike the whole fight carrying the extra weight either. He is big enough, but totally untested at the weight. A lot of unknown variables, most importantly how well he takes middleweight power. Brook is a good boxer, but he would definitely get beat by guys like Andrade or Lara for example. After he loses, hopefully we can see those fights.

I actually disagree that GGG fights well on the inside - I think he operates best and mid-to-long range. The most trouble he has ever been in in his pro career to date was against Kassim Ouma, who was able to successfully exchange with GGG on the inside for a good portion of their fight. Willie Monroe had no hope in boxing GGG from the outside, but once he stood his ground and started flurrying on the inside, he had successs and took less punishment himself. I think GGG's power somewhat depends on him being able to extend his arms - he can fight on the inside for sure, but his power is reduced and he can take a lot of punches when his opponent has faster hands than him.

You might be right about him taking more punches with guys faster than him. I know the Ouma fight was not his best fight. He looked really sluggish to me in that fight, but credit Ouma for having an iron chin. I think it was the first or maybe second time Ouma was stopped, and he was in with some good guys.

One thing GGG has shown is his good chin. I have not seen him really rocked yet, and he has been in with some good punchers. I agree he doesn't have the best defense, but no one has made him respect their power really yet, and doubt if Brook is that guy.

Good post, nothing I disagree with there. GGG was reportedly massively jetlagged and short of sleep for the Ouma fight, which partly explains his performance. Still, I am convinced that the way to beat GGG is from the inside - push him back, go to the body, smother his punches - a prime middleweight BHop could possibly do it. Unfortunately for Brook, he's primarily an outside fighter, which is why I give him little chance.

[digzee]

Yes, and team Brook later had to admit that Spence accepted the challenge and agreed to go over to fight Brook. This was after Brook and his team claimed that no one would fight them. I predicted quite a while back Brook would run up to avoid Spence. I do give him some credit for facing GGG, but what does he have to lose?

Size won't be a major factor, but the skill difference will be. I'm not a Kell Brook hater, just a realist. The reality is that Brook will get KO'd late in the fight after he gets tired of running carrying the extra weight. GGG is the best I have seen with cutting off the ring.

That's half true, what happened was Spence said he would go but his team told Brook's promoter they wanted another fight first.

I really doubt that, but if you can prove it I will stand corrected. Do you think Spence or his team requested the title eliminator vs Bundu so he can become the mandatory? (that the IBF ordered)

I heard it in an interview from Brook's promoter a few months ago, i'm too lazy to find it as it would take hours, no offence. If they wanted the fight why didn't Al make them an offer? He's splashing the money around for less meaningful fights.

[digzee]

There wasn't any offer to Liam Smith btw.

There was an offer received from Liam Smith. I didn’t articulate this clearly – my bad. I get it wrong sometimes.

How can you compare Brook fighting nobodies like Bizier on standard SKY sports to an offer to fight Garcia?

Very easily. I quoted Garcia’s typical paydays, Brook’s payday for the Porter fight, named Brook's typical calibre of opposition and also speculated about the possibility that the American’s fees to face unbeaten championship-level opponents on foreign soil would require a payday much more massive than any that Kell has ever received.

When you say Vargas was offered only $1.7m even that is more then Garcia has ever earned for a fight

That sum is comparable to what Garcia already earns against very beatable opponents (i.e.Guerrero) and much less than what he could earn against Broner.

In terms of risk and return, don’t you think it’s reasonable to expect Garcia to demand a much better offer than $1.7m to face Brook on foreign soil?

There were no negotiation's Hearn made them an offer of well over $3m plus the US tv rights but were told Garcia wasn't interested.

Perhaps you’d like to supply your source about this? I’ve watched Eddie Hearn spouting búllshít meaningless platitudes about this subject matter during his interviews with IFL TV, but his vague claims do not seem to be supported by anyone in Garcia’s camp. I don’t mind being wrong about this.

So you don't believe they offered Garcia a big payday? How much do you think Brook and GGG will make? Then tell me how much Garcia - Broner will make?

[Enlightened-One]

So you don't believe they offered Garcia a big payday?

So your debating/discussion strategy is to respond with a series of questions? Mmmm…

You’ve already quoted my thoughts about this, so I don’t understand the nature of your question.

Eddie Hearn’s vague meaningless platitudes about the Brook-Garcia situation (as seen on IFT TV) are not supported by anyone from Team Garcia.

I asked you politely to prove your claim, but you have yet to do so. So I have my doubts about the accuracy of Hearn’s claims, because promoters in the sport of boxing are renowned for their rhetorical hyperbole.

How much do you think Brook and GGG will make?

I will refrain from answering this question, since it doesn’t relate to anything I have previously commented on in this thread.

Then tell me how much Garcia - Broner will make?

I have already answered this question in a previous post in this thread:
http://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f ... r#p4462179

There’s really no need for me to keep repeating myself, is there? You've asked me to do so twice already.

[digzee]

So you don't believe they offered Garcia a big payday?

So your debating/discussion strategy is to respond with a series of questions? Mmmm…

You’ve already quoted my thoughts about this, so I don’t understand the nature of your question.

Eddie Hearn’s vague meaningless platitudes about the Brook-Garcia situation (as seen on IFT TV) are not supported by anyone from Team Garcia. They've not been denied either, go ask them.

I asked you politely to prove your claim, but you have yet to do so. So I have my doubts about the accuracy of Hearn’s claims, because promoters in the sport of boxing are renowned for their rhetorical hyperbole. No unfortunately I don't have the contract. Show me the proof of Liam Smith's offer fromm Eddie Hearn because I don't believe it.

How much do you think Brook and GGG will make?

I will refrain from answering this question, since it doesn’t relate to anything I have previously commented on in this thread. You are happy to go through Brook's previous 5 purses but because you know this will make a shit load of money you don't want to comment on it, you know it wont support your argument nice strategy

Then tell me how much Garcia - Broner will make?

I have already answered this question in a previous post in this thread:
http://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f ... r#p4462179

There’s really no need for me to keep repeating myself, is there? You've asked me to do so twice already. Yes repeat it, around $2m you think (that's being very very generous considering Thurman earned $1.5m against Porter) Brook and GGG will both double $2m

[Enlightened-One]

Eddie Hearn’s vague meaningless platitudes about the Brook-Garcia situation (as seen on IFT TV) are not supported by anyone from Team Garcia.

They've not been denied either, go ask them.

You cannot boldly proclaim a statement to be 100% accurate based on nothing but pure unsubstantiated one-sided anecdotal evidence, which we all know is meaningless if the claims aren’t supported by both parties (as we’ve recently seen with GGG-Saunders).

So if you want to argue that "hearsay" should regarded as "fact", then I have no further comment on this particular matter.

I asked you politely to prove your claim, but you have yet to do so. So I have my doubts about the accuracy of Hearn’s claims, because promoters in the sport of boxing are renowned for their rhetorical hyperbole.

No unfortunately I don't have the contract.

Then once again, you’ve made an unsubstantiated claim based on nothing but pure hearsay or imagination.

Show me the proof of Liam Smith's offer fromm Eddie Hearn because I don'

I have already retracted and corrected this point in this thread. You even quoted my revised claim. So why ask the same question again?

This is the third time you’ve asked me to repeat myself.

I will refrain from answering this question, since it doesn’t relate to anything I have previously commented on in this thread.

You are happy to go through Brook's previous 5 purses but because you know this will make a poo load of money you don't want to comment on it, you know it wont support your argument nice strategy

I have never made any attempt to detail Brook’s last five paydays. You ask me to repeat myself three times and then ask me to address a claim that I have never made? Are you even paying attention?

And there’s no point in speculating about the size of the fight purses of Golovkin and Brook if they aren’t disclosed.

Do you want me to produce a work of fiction to attempt to answer an unanswerable question, like you have already done with one of your previous claims?

There’s really no need for me to keep repeating myself, is there? You've asked me to do so twice already.

Yes repeat it, around $2m you think (that's being very very generous considering Thurman earned $1.5m against Porter) Brook and GGG will both double $2m

This is the fourth time you've asked me to repeat myself. Have you got the memory of a Goldfish?

[digzee]

There wasn't any offer to Liam Smith btw.

There was an offer received from Liam Smith. I didn’t articulate this clearly – my bad. I get it wrong sometimes.

How can you compare Brook fighting nobodies like Bizier on standard SKY sports to an offer to fight Garcia?

Very easily. I quoted Garcia’s typical paydays, Brook’s payday for the Porter fight, named Brook's typical calibre of opposition and also speculated about the possibility that the American’s fees to face unbeaten championship-level opponents on foreign soil would require a payday much more massive than any that Kell has ever received.

When you say Vargas was offered only $1.7m even that is more then Garcia has ever earned for a fight

That sum is comparable to what Garcia already earns against very beatable opponents (i.e.Guerrero) and much less than what he could earn against Broner.

In terms of risk and return, don’t you think it’s reasonable to expect Garcia to demand a much better offer than $1.7m to face Brook on foreign soil?

There were no negotiation's Hearn made them an offer of well over $3m plus the US tv rights but were told Garcia wasn't interested.

Perhaps you’d like to supply your source about this? I’ve watched Eddie Hearn spouting búllshít meaningless platitudes about this subject matter during his interviews with IFL TV, but his vague claims do not seem to be supported by anyone in Garcia’s camp. I don’t mind being wrong about this.

Look you repeated yourself by saying and I quote "There was an offer received from Liam Smith". Jesus Christ its hard following you. Show me the offer...

You were happy downplaying Brook's purses against Porter, Bizier and the rest but you don't want to talk about a fight when he's going to be earning well, again well done on that strategy.

[Enlightened-One]

There wasn't any offer to Liam Smith btw.

There was an offer received from Liam Smith. I didn’t articulate this clearly – my bad. I get it wrong sometimes.

How can you compare Brook fighting nobodies like Bizier on standard SKY sports to an offer to fight Garcia?

Very easily. I quoted Garcia’s typical paydays, Brook’s payday for the Porter fight, named Brook's typical calibre of opposition and also speculated about the possibility that the American’s fees to face unbeaten championship-level opponents on foreign soil would require a payday much more massive than any that Kell has ever received.

When you say Vargas was offered only $1.7m even that is more then Garcia has ever earned for a fight

That sum is comparable to what Garcia already earns against very beatable opponents (i.e.Guerrero) and much less than what he could earn against Broner.

In terms of risk and return, don’t you think it’s reasonable to expect Garcia to demand a much better offer than $1.7m to face Brook on foreign soil?

There were no negotiation's Hearn made them an offer of well over $3m plus the US tv rights but were told Garcia wasn't interested.

Perhaps you’d like to supply your source about this? I’ve watched Eddie Hearn spouting búllshít meaningless platitudes about this subject matter during his interviews with IFL TV, but his vague claims do not seem to be supported by anyone in Garcia’s camp. I don’t mind being wrong about this.

Look you repeated yourself by saying and I quote "There was an offer received from Liam Smith". Jesus Christ its hard following you. Show me the offer...

You were happy downplaying Brook's purses against Porter, Bizier and the rest but you don't want to talk about a fight when he's going to be earning well, again well done on that strategy.

That's six times you've asked me to repeat myself.

Please quote my responses and comment accordingly.

[digzee]

There was an offer received from Liam Smith. I didn’t articulate this clearly – my bad. I get it wrong sometimes.

Very easily. I quoted Garcia’s typical paydays, Brook’s payday for the Porter fight, named Brook's typical calibre of opposition and also speculated about the possibility that the American’s fees to face unbeaten championship-level opponents on foreign soil would require a payday much more massive than any that Kell has ever received.

That sum is comparable to what Garcia already earns against very beatable opponents (i.e.Guerrero) and much less than what he could earn against Broner.

In terms of risk and return, don’t you think it’s reasonable to expect Garcia to demand a much better offer than $1.7m to face Brook on foreign soil?

Perhaps you’d like to supply your source about this? I’ve watched Eddie Hearn spouting búllshít meaningless platitudes about this subject matter during his interviews with IFL TV, but his vague claims do not seem to be supported by anyone in Garcia’s camp. I don’t mind being wrong about this.

Look you repeated yourself by saying and I quote "There was an offer received from Liam Smith". Jesus Christ its hard following you. Show me the offer...

You were happy downplaying Brook's purses against Porter, Bizier and the rest but you don't want to talk about a fight when he's going to be earning well, again well done on that strategy.

That's six times you've asked me to repeat myself.

Please quote my responses and comment accordingly.

Hahaha you have made yourself look a right tit, you made a mistake and cant bring yourself to admit you made the same mistake twice, just say you meant to write there was NO offer. As for the rest I give up with you.

[Enlightened-One]

Hahaha you have made yourself look a right tit, you made a mistake and cant bring yourself to admit you made the same mistake twice, just say you meant to write there was NO offer. As for the rest I give up with you.

I don't even know what you're talking about. Please quote my words and I'll comment accordingly.