Bermane Stiverne vs Alexander Povetkin for interim WBC title

[Ilya Muromets]

Wilder found out the news hours before he was set to fly to Russia...

So goes the story line.

And then he fought Arreola instead.

[marvelous marv]

There are multiple videos on ESPN.com/boxing detailing the events.

[Ilya Muromets]

There are multiple videos on ESPN.com/boxing detailing the events.

Well I guess that proves it. If it was on the tv it must be true.

[marvelous marv]

Ignore facts and logic, that's what all good trolls do.

[Enlightened-One]

Wilder found out the news hours before he was set to fly to Russia. He reportedly wanted to go thru with the fight regardless of what Povetkin was accused of taking. The WBC would not sanction the match. His team waited in England for clarification from the sanctioning body then they left for home until the matter was resolved. Wilder reportedly lost over 30k on travel and training expenses just for the period he was in England.

According to the defamation lawsuit between Povetkin and Wilder, Deontay failed to travel to Russia before the contractually-agreed seven-day arrival date deadline had expired. Wilder's failure to travel to Moscow violated his contractual obligations to Povetkin and was done so before the WBC had officially announced the postponement of the fight.

According to court papers, this is an allegation that was not contested by Wilder’s legal representatives.

[Ilya Muromets]

According to the defamation lawsuit between Povetkin and Wilder, Deontay failed to travel to Russia before the contractually-agreed seven-day arrival date deadline had expired. Wilder's failure to travel to Moscow violated his contractual obligations to Povetkin and was done so before the WBC had officially announced the postponement of the fight.

According to court papers, this is an allegation that was not contested by Wilder’s legal representatives.

Like I've been saying all along, Wilder and his handlers never had any intention of fighting Povetkin.

[Ilya Muromets]

Ignore facts and logic, that's what all good trolls do.

Go back to your tv set, troll.

[Enlightened-One]

FYI – Here are the “motion to dismiss” notes for the Wilder-Povetkin defamation lawsuit:
http://mmapayout.com/2016/08/deontay-wi ... of-boxing/

Povetkin’s legal representatives wrote:

“The Complaint alleges that defendants were required to travel to Moscow, but instead cancelled their flights and left the World Boxing Council (“WBC”) with no choice but to postpone the contest.

While Defendants assert that they did not return to the United States until a day later, they do not contest the allegation that they announced their refusal to fly to Moscow in violation of their contractual obligations (and before the WBC’s announcement).”

Team Wilder's defence against Povetkin's accusations of defamation is apparently “rhetorical hyperbole”, which has the following definition:

• "An expression of pure opinion is not actionable if the statement of opinion does not imply that it is based on facts that justify the opinion."

So essentially, people have the freedom to talk pure utter derogatory búllshít about another human being, as long as they don’t claim that what they’ve stated is "factual" or attempt to "justify it with evidence."

[asdfjkl]

I thimk it's ridiculous, the only reason Stiverne is chosen is because he's an American and Povetkin already said he's never going to America again. In my opinion for the obvious reason: too many retards and too much bullshit going on.
I really see this belt losing all of it's value.
I don't expect the Stiverne fight to happen. If it happens anyway, I expect a 2 round KO win for Povetkin. The difference in quality is simply too big.

[Ilya Muromets]

... I expect a 2 round KO win for Povetkin. The difference in quality is simply too big.

I figured he'd do Wilder like he did Mike Perez, and I think Wilder's handlers thought so too.

Big Baby Miller on Wilder:

"“He’s always been very fragile. I’m not surprised he broke his fingernail. He’s built that way. That’s why he’ll only fight softies. His people don’t want any real opponents for him because they know how fragile he is. They are protecting him from an ass whipping"

Miller also said:

"Everybody hand-picks opponents these days. I just want to go in there and whip everybody’s ass. It’s always been hard to find opponents. Nobody wants to take any risks."

Yep.

[marvelous marv]

Princess Povetkin wont fight outside of Moscow. He could have fought Wilder on previous occasions but declined every offer in the hopes of forcing a purse bid. The orginal purse bid was supposed to be Oct 1,2015. Povetkin went ahead and scheduled a fight after that date then sustained a cut forcing him to sit all winter. The purse bid got pushed back to February, then Princess got caught pissing hot, delaying things yet again.

[BAD INTENTIONS]

Wilder found out the news hours before he was set to fly to Russia. He reportedly wanted to go thru with the fight regardless of what Povetkin was accused of taking. The WBC would not sanction the match. His team waited in England for clarification from the sanctioning body then they left for home until the matter was resolved. Wilder reportedly lost over 30k on travel and training expenses just for the period he was in England.

According to the defamation lawsuit between Povetkin and Wilder, Deontay failed to travel to Russia before the contractually-agreed seven-day arrival date deadline had expired. Wilder's failure to travel to Moscow violated his contractual obligations to Povetkin and was done so before the WBC had officially announced the postponement of the fight.

According to court papers, this is an allegation that was not contested by Wilder’s legal representatives.

First of I was wrong about Wilder being in Russia. I remember hearing about him "traveling back" so I assumed from Russia.

There's a guy here who will go crazy if you don't say that Alexander Povetkin is the cleanest athlete since AC Green.
But I have to question the timeline a bit here.

May 12, 2016
The Times releases a story that basically claims Russia is conducting the greatest PED cheating scheme of all time.
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/13/sport ... p=cur&_r=2
Anyone with sense knows that the entire sports world, especially US and UK athletes is dirty, but if you weren't as enlightened,
you would think that those evil Russians were cheating again. Before being Drago in Rocky IV.

May 13, 2016
News comes out that Povetkin tested positive.
http://ringtv.craveonline.com/news/4220 ... -meldonium
That is 8 days from the fight. Moscow is only 5.5 hours from England.
And it isn't unheard of for fighters to arrive the day they are supposed to.
So, this is proof there was word of a failed test before the 7-day arrival.

So they didn't travel to Russia.
This type of news in successive days would draw the same reaction from everyone who doesn't write on boxing forums.

If you were Wilder's brother and you read the Times article THE DAY BEFORE, would you tell your brother to go into what was portrayed in that article to fight a guy who just failed a drug test?

You guys gotta start acting like adults and stop holding real athletes to movie character standards.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

He had a flight for Russia the day the fight was cancelled. I sure hope King doesn't get in the way of this fight, half the board will blame Wilder. Shiiiit, I think Deontay may have killed Kennedy.

[asdfjkl]

He had a flight for Russia the day the fight was cancelled. I sure hope King doesn't get in the way of this fight, half the board will blame Wilder. Shiiiit, I think Deontay may have killed Kennedy.

That's another thing I was wondering, I couldn't find any plane to Russia that had sold a ticket to Deontay Wilder, has he never bought it? Or did I not look good enough?

[Tony1244]

Let's remember Povetkin refused to fight Wlad for years. Povetkin has a strange history of not stepping up to the plate as Wilder has a reputation for taking the path of least resistance


Povetkin was the one who failed the alleged test, not Wilder. So yeah the Kennedy assassination and the holocaust aren't all Wilder's fault.

[asdfjkl]

Let's remember Povetkin refused to fight Wlad for years. Povetkin has a strange history of not stepping up to the plate as Wilder has a reputation for taking the path of least resistance


Povetkin was the one who failed the alleged test, not Wilder. So yeah the Kennedy assassination and the holocaust aren't all Wilder's fault.

No, Wilder succeed to let a compagny being involved on his request, that didn't have a clue what they were doing and needed more time to figure out Povetkin was right all the time. In the end Povetkin turned out to be right. The Klitschko story is even more of a joke, Klitschko offered odd things and next to that, Povetkin didn't carry the belt, like Wilder does.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

He had a flight for Russia the day the fight was cancelled. I sure hope King doesn't get in the way of this fight, half the board will blame Wilder. Shiiiit, I think Deontay may have killed Kennedy.

That's another thing I was wondering, I couldn't find any plane to Russia that had sold a ticket to Deontay Wilder, has he never bought it? Or did I not look good enough?

Perhaps you looked the same place that told you stiverne is American. Lmao

[Oiky]

povetkin will win this one

[asdfjkl]

He had a flight for Russia the day the fight was cancelled. I sure hope King doesn't get in the way of this fight, half the board will blame Wilder. Shiiiit, I think Deontay may have killed Kennedy.

That's another thing I was wondering, I couldn't find any plane to Russia that had sold a ticket to Deontay Wilder, has he never bought it? Or did I not look good enough?

Perhaps you looked the same place that told you stiverne is American. Lmao

He is fighting as an American, so American

[Enlightened-One]

First of I was wrong about Wilder being in Russia. I remember hearing about him "traveling back" so I assumed from Russia.

There's a guy here who will go crazy if you don't say that Alexander Povetkin is the cleanest athlete since AC Green.
But I have to question the timeline a bit here… blah… blah… blah…

I provided access to the Povetkin-Wilder defamation lawsuit court documents, which Deontay’s legal team clearly didn’t contest some of the allegations that people on this forum are making futile attempts to defend.

If Deontay’s legal team are admitting to a certain amount of wrongdoing, then why are people even bothering to waste their breath trying to defend actions that Wilder himself has admitted?

Any previous indiscretion that you may accuse Povetkin of committing doesn’t detract from the allegations that Wilder himself has openly admitted to, so please don’t bother providing journalistic links that are utterly irrelevant in the context to the issues that Wilder’s own legal team have conceded.

Povetkin was going to get his mandatory shot on May 21, 2016 ... a one year wait that's not abnormal these days.

I addressed this point as well in a previous post. Do you care to comment on my response?

[SaadOffTheDeck]

That's another thing I was wondering, I couldn't find any plane to Russia that had sold a ticket to Deontay Wilder, has he never bought it? Or did I not look good enough?

Perhaps you looked the same place that told you stiverne is American. Lmao

He is fighting as an American, so American

[BAD INTENTIONS]

First of I was wrong about Wilder being in Russia. I remember hearing about him "traveling back" so I assumed from Russia.

There's a guy here who will go crazy if you don't say that Alexander Povetkin is the cleanest athlete since AC Green.
But I have to question the timeline a bit here… blah… blah… blah…

I providedt access to the Povetkin-Wilder defamation lawsuit court documents, which Deontay’s legal team clearly didn’t contest some of the allegations that people on this forum are making futile attempts to defend.

If Deontay’s legal team are admitting to a certain amount of wrongdoing, then why are people even bothering to waste their breath trying to defend actions that Wilder himself has admitted?

Any previous indiscretion that you may accuse Povetkin of committing doesn’t detract from the allegations that Wilder himself has openly admitted to, so please don’t bother providing journalistic links that are utterly irrelevant in the context to the issues that Wilder’s own legal team have conceded.

Povetkin was going to get his mandatory shot on May 21, 2016 ... a one year wait that's not abnormal these days.

I addressed this point as well in a previous post. Do you care to comment on my response?

I tried to show you why Wilder's actions were reasonable.
Most reasonable people see that no one is to blame here, but science and Povetkin's PED use.

According to you, the only option is to follow the Holy Contract.

[Enlightened-One]

I tried to show you why Wilder's actions were reasonable.
Most reasonable people see that no one is to blame here, but science and Povetkin's PED use.

According to you, the only option is to follow the Holy Contract.

That's the problem with your mindset, is the presumption of guilt without there being a need for evidence.

WADA cleared Povetkin of any allegations of wrongdoing and the WBC did not suspend him, because there wasn't any evidence.

A person should be assumed innocent until proven guilty. The WBC took no action until Wilder walked away from the fight.

The earliest possible date that Deontay will be able to make a return to the ring will be January 2017, by which time he would have been the champion for two years, without having faced his mandatory challenger and there is no date for him to do so.

In stark contrast, the current mandatory challenger knew that in December 2014 that he'd have to defeat Perez to become the mandatory challenger... and as the mandatory challenger, he now has to make a mandatory defence of his mandatory challenger status against Stiverne, whilst the champion would have reigned for two years without having faced any mandatory challengers.

That's one of the most bizarre sentences I've ever written but it's a true statement.

[Tanzio]

When does Stiverne enter this conversation?

[Enlightened-One]

When does Stiverne enter this conversation?

I've mentioned Stiverne multiple times in this thread.