Defense decides GGG vs Brook winner

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Defense decides GGG vs Brook winner

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A lot of talk has been made about their difference in power and size, but i believe Brook will hold his own in these departments.

It's the defense category that will sink him: Brook is used to be the bigger welter and likes to bully his overmatched foes; he never had to develop subtle defensive moves. He won't be able to do it overnight.

Faced with a murderous puncher like Gennady, he will use offense as defense, burn all his energy in the first 4-6 rds then will start catching shots and be stopped around the eight.
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no he wont. he will be out of there within 4 rds.
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I don't think GGG will lose but this fight will be is toughest one yet. If he gets Brook out inside 4, i ll be surprise. Brook will be faster, faster than anyone Golovkin has face so far and if he opt for the good plan he could manage to get a decision. Unfortunatly, by the time he gets to the end he will probably get tired and get catch more often and it s not a good thing vs the G-Train. Late Ko for GGG in the last 3-4 rounds
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everytime golovkin faces a new opponent, 90 % of the posters in here claims it his best ooponent to date. after the fight the same people claims he hasnt faced any good opponenets.
dude can flatten any opponent from 154 -> 168 in one round if he wants to. he is by far the best and most superior boxer ive seen in my lifetime. im 39.

really cant see why people get winded up over this fight. Brooks represents no threat whatsoever imo. what excactly makes you guys think that brooks brings something to the ring that could even make it interesting ?
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Butterbean wrote:everytime golovkin faces a new opponent, 90 % of the posters in here claims it his best ooponent to date. after the fight the same people claims he hasnt faced any good opponenets.
dude can flatten any opponent from 154 -> 168 in one round if he wants to. he is by far the best and most superior boxer ive seen in my lifetime. im 39.

really cant see why people get winded up over this fight. Brooks represents no threat whatsoever imo. what excactly makes you guys think that brooks brings something to the ring that could even make it interesting ?
Agree, brook hasn't impressed me once yet and that includes sneaking past the limited porter, so why on earth anyone expects him to jumps up 2 weight classes and be competitive with the sports premier middleweight is beyond me
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littlepug wrote: Agree, brook hasn't impressed me once yet and that includes sneaking past the limited porter, so why on earth anyone expects him to jumps up 2 weight classes and be competitive with the sports premier middleweight is beyond me
Maybe he hasn't impressed you, but all the other top welters have avoided him like the plague.
Brook beats PBF at welter since 2015.
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crow wrote:
littlepug wrote: Agree, brook hasn't impressed me once yet and that includes sneaking past the limited porter, so why on earth anyone expects him to jumps up 2 weight classes and be competitive with the sports premier middleweight is beyond me
Maybe he hasn't impressed you, but all the other top welters have avoided him like the plague.
Brook beats PBF at welter since 2015.
No chance, he does most stuff well but not great, definitely not good enough to start bouncing round divisions
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littlepug wrote:
Butterbean wrote:everytime golovkin faces a new opponent, 90 % of the posters in here claims it his best ooponent to date. after the fight the same people claims he hasnt faced any good opponenets.
dude can flatten any opponent from 154 -> 168 in one round if he wants to. he is by far the best and most superior boxer ive seen in my lifetime. im 39.

really cant see why people get winded up over this fight. Brooks represents no threat whatsoever imo. what excactly makes you guys think that brooks brings something to the ring that could even make it interesting ?
Agree, brook hasn't impressed me once yet and that includes sneaking past the limited porter, so why on earth anyone expects him to jumps up 2 weight classes and be competitive with the sports premier middleweight is beyond me
Pure delusion, that's why. People can convince themselves of a lot when it's what they want to believe. And Gennady has left enough small doubts for people to choose from. Weak resume (much stronger than Brook's though), age lol that's the funniest one to me, defense, lack of speed, whatever other bullshit that gets regurgitated. Meanwhile guy hasn't lost a round, hasn't taken anything close to a beating barely looks like he's been touched after most fights, and smiles before during and after fights like it's a walk in the park. Because it is. September 10th is an appetizer, one step on to much bigger and better things.
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crow wrote:
littlepug wrote: Agree, brook hasn't impressed me once yet and that includes sneaking past the limited porter, so why on earth anyone expects him to jumps up 2 weight classes and be competitive with the sports premier middleweight is beyond me
Maybe he hasn't impressed you, but all the other top welters have avoided him like the plague.
Brook beats PBF at welter since 2015.
Both of those statements are wildly inaccurate. Brook has had Bradley, Alexander 2x, Rios, Chaves, and Vargas all fully committed to fight him and they never happened. Not all of that fault lies with Brook but some of it at the very least does. Going life and death with Carson Jones, hugging and grabbing Porter all night to squeak out a majority decision, that's the weakest plague I ever heard of. All about some waffler who won't even fight guys his own size, he is now thankfully. We will all get a better understanding of why Brook spent his career draining so much weight to keep fighting little guys, September 10.

Brook doesn't beat Floyd in a dream, c'mon.
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If brook gets to see the 12th round I would be absolutely gob smacked! If he wins by any means it'd be the biggest shock in boxing! He has little to no chance really! Not the biggest puncher, hasn't got the best chin, just can't see it! Look at his record and it should tell you he's far from the best in his own weight let alone GGG's.
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Brook just isn't going to have anywhere close to enough power against Golovkin. He had only average power at WW. Being a naturally bigger man, that's a concern. His ONLY hope is to outpoint Golovkin. That's going to be hard if he's overly defensive, which he could be, given that Golovkin is easily the most powerful man he's ever stepped in the ring with. Pair that with the fact that Brook is likely going to be a step slower at MW and that's another concern. Golovkin is a master at cutting off the ring, another concern. I can't see this ending well for Brook.
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jbizzle20 wrote:Brook just isn't going to have anywhere close to enough power against Golovkin. He had only average power at WW.
Well then, somebody forgot to tell that to Porter, because he was hurt plenty of times in the last 6 rounds of their fight!
Porter had no such problems with Mr self-appointed KO machine, "run time" Keith Thurman!
Good that Porter had the presence of mind to hold vs Kell, or he wouldn't have lasted the distance.

So much for Thurman's much vaunted power, and Brook's supposedly lack of it!
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crow wrote:
jbizzle20 wrote:Brook just isn't going to have anywhere close to enough power against Golovkin. He had only average power at WW.
Well then, somebody forgot to tell that to Porter, because he was hurt plenty of times in the last 6 rounds of their fight!
Porter had no such problems with Mr self-appointed KO machine, "run time" Keith Thurman!
Good that Porter had the presence of mind to hold vs Kell, or he wouldn't have lasted the distance.

So much for Thurman's much vaunted power, and Brook's supposedly lack of it!
I think you watched a different Brook-Porter bout than I did, because that fight could have easily been scored for the American (as per the scoring of the UK boxing pundits at Sky and Box-Nation).
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crow wrote:
littlepug wrote: Agree, brook hasn't impressed me once yet and that includes sneaking past the limited porter, so why on earth anyone expects him to jumps up 2 weight classes and be competitive with the sports premier middleweight is beyond me
Maybe he hasn't impressed you, but all the other top welters have avoided him like the plague.
Brook beats PBF at welter since 2015.
Pro for 12 years, world champion for 2 years, and only managed to face one top level fighter in Porter who he won the title off. Why he hasnt had any other big fights in the deepest division in boxing is a strange one. For me Brook bein put in with GGG is Sky and Matchroom cashing in on Brook and at the same time building GGG profile in the UK for a fight with Eubank Jnr in the summer of 2017. What promoter would put his welterweight champion in with GGG, jumping 2 divisions without a fight to grow into the weight, if he was genuinley thinking about that fighters career long term? Hearn isnt stupid, and no way does he really believe, deep down, Brook beats GGG. Its a longer term plan.
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Wales wrote:
crow wrote:
littlepug wrote: Agree, brook hasn't impressed me once yet and that includes sneaking past the limited porter, so why on earth anyone expects him to jumps up 2 weight classes and be competitive with the sports premier middleweight is beyond me
Maybe he hasn't impressed you, but all the other top welters have avoided him like the plague.
Brook beats PBF at welter since 2015.
Pro for 12 years, world champion for 2 years, and only managed to face one top level fighter in Porter who he won the title off. Why he hasnt had any other big fights in the deepest division in boxing is a strange one. For me Brook bein put in with GGG is Sky and Matchroom cashing in on Brook and at the same time building GGG profile in the UK for a fight with Eubank Jnr in the summer of 2017. What promoter would put his welterweight champion in with GGG, jumping 2 divisions without a fight to grow into the weight, if he was genuinley thinking about that fighters career long term? Hearn isnt stupid, and no way does he really believe, deep down, Brook beats GGG. Its a longer term plan.
I don't think either Brook or his managers showed a lot of brains there. Between Brook's performances and his ok but not great resume, I don't see how either could've concluded that Brook was ready for Golovkin.
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The old saying you can only beat whats put in front of you does apply here with Brook he has beat some decent fighter's at Welterweight but certainly not any of the top guy's it will be a Monumental and Historic UPSET and i'll go as far to say the Best win of any English fighter [if it not by DQ :lol: ] that i'v ever seen if Brook can pull off this Mt Everest task he's been set and credence to him for taking up the challenge :TU:
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