If Kell Brook defeats Gennady Golovkin...

[jbizzle20]

Brook is a major long shot as he is fighting at a weight where his quick footwork might not carry so well. He needs to be uber sharp and outsmart Golovkin, who is no idiot. His power at welterweight was decent but nothing special. Now he's up to middleweight. One good GGG punch on the button and he's out. That said, if Brook wins, he is top 3 P4P no doubt. I still don't see him as #1 no matter what result. There's a reason Floyd avoided GGG.

[gilgamesh]

Brook is a major long shot as he is fighting at a weight where his quick footwork might not carry so well. He needs to be uber sharp and outsmart Golovkin, who is no idiot. His power at welterweight was decent but nothing special. Now he's up to middleweight. One good GGG punch on the button and he's out. That said, if Brook wins, he is top 3 P4P no doubt. I still don't see him as #1 no matter what result. There's a reason Floyd avoided GGG.

He'll also be fighting at closer to full strength for the first time ever as he's not draining like mad to make the weight this time. He won't be able to outsmart Golovkin I don't think as I figure Golovkin is smarter and more skilled than him, but I may be wrong. I'll be extremely impressed with Brook if he pulls this off.

[jbizzle20]

Brook is a major long shot as he is fighting at a weight where his quick footwork might not carry so well. He needs to be uber sharp and outsmart Golovkin, who is no idiot. His power at welterweight was decent but nothing special. Now he's up to middleweight. One good GGG punch on the button and he's out. That said, if Brook wins, he is top 3 P4P no doubt. I still don't see him as #1 no matter what result. There's a reason Floyd avoided GGG.

He'll also be fighting at closer to full strength for the first time ever as he's not draining like mad to make the weight this time. He won't be able to outsmart Golovkin I don't think as I figure Golovkin is smarter and more skilled than him, but I may be wrong. I'll be extremely impressed with Brook if he pulls this off.

Isn't Brook more of a natural welterweight?

[gilgamesh]

Brook is a major long shot as he is fighting at a weight where his quick footwork might not carry so well. He needs to be uber sharp and outsmart Golovkin, who is no idiot. His power at welterweight was decent but nothing special. Now he's up to middleweight. One good GGG punch on the button and he's out. That said, if Brook wins, he is top 3 P4P no doubt. I still don't see him as #1 no matter what result. There's a reason Floyd avoided GGG.

He'll also be fighting at closer to full strength for the first time ever as he's not draining like mad to make the weight this time. He won't be able to outsmart Golovkin I don't think as I figure Golovkin is smarter and more skilled than him, but I may be wrong. I'll be extremely impressed with Brook if he pulls this off.

Isn't Brook more of a natural welterweight?

He weighed 176 about a week ago, what do you think?

[jbizzle20]

He'll also be fighting at closer to full strength for the first time ever as he's not draining like mad to make the weight this time. He won't be able to outsmart Golovkin I don't think as I figure Golovkin is smarter and more skilled than him, but I may be wrong. I'll be extremely impressed with Brook if he pulls this off.

Isn't Brook more of a natural welterweight?

He weighed 176 about a week ago, what do you think?

If that was closer to his natural weight then why would he fight so much at welter and super welter?

[gilgamesh]

Isn't Brook more of a natural welterweight?

He weighed 176 about a week ago, what do you think?

If that was closer to his natural weight then why would he fight so much at welter and super welter?

Because that's what fighters do. They drain like crazy so they have a strength advantage over their opponents in the ring. I personally think it's a very overrated practice, and is probably more of a disadvantage than an advantage in most cases, but there's no question it's worked to a guys favor in some cases.

Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. vs Andy Lee is a key example where Chavez was able to win strictly on being the bigger, stronger man.

[jbizzle20]

He weighed 176 about a week ago, what do you think?

If that was closer to his natural weight then why would he fight so much at welter and super welter?

Because that's what fighters do. They drain like crazy so they have a strength advantage over their opponents in the ring. I personally think it's a very overrated practice, and is probably more of a disadvantage than an advantage in most cases, but there's no question it's worked to a guys favor in some cases.

Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. vs Andy Lee is a key example where Chavez was able to win strictly on being the bigger, stronger man.

Yeah, I'll say that's crazy. Fighting 30 lbs under your natural weight!! However, it didn't seem to make a big difference with Brook. He was only average power-wise at WW/SWW. His power is going to be even worse at a higher weight. When you put that up against Golovkin and his 91% KO rate, it's a ridiculous mismatch. That footwork is going to be slower at MW. Brook's ONLY chance is by thoroughly out-boxing Golovkin. That's going to be harder with those disadvantages, especially when you consider that he's never fought professionally at MW. IMO, Brook should have taken some tune-up fights at MW before jumping right to the king of MWs

[G.McClellan]

Firstly, it's probably not going to happen, but...

To me - if it were a clear victory, like a 116-112 or wider decision or a KO/TKO with no robbery or quickfire stoppage - it probably makes him the #1 p4p fighter in the sport, seeing as we don't have a clear cut #1 right now. If GGG had some better names on his resume, it would be even more impressive.

As for his standing among British fighters, it's a better win than any other British fighter has had, at least since Hatton beat Tszyu, although it would actually top that. Regarding British fighters all-time standing, I'd still have him behind Lewis, Calzaghe and Froch for the moment, but not by much.

I don't think the fight will happen either.

Brook has gone from Spence Jr to Vargas to Golovkin as potential fights.

But in the unlikely event he were to fight Golovkin and win (with no hint of a robbery) then I would put him at p4p #1 and on the same level as Nigel Benn and Lennox Lewis. Which is to say above Calzaghe, Froch and Nazeem.

Triple G is Hall of Fame material. Who I think would give most middleweights from the golden era of the sport, trouble. For me it isn't the names he's fought, but the way he's dispatched them.
Brook doesn't have a pray and that's ultimately why I don't see this fight taking place.

[Butterbean]

Brook has a better chance than people are giving him. Golovkin has looked like a monster every time out but he's 34 years old and his level of opposition has been very weak. Brook has speed and skill and even though he's stepping up 2 weight classes, the weight advantage for Golovkin will be very minimal if there is one at all.

Golovkin is still a rightful favorite but Brook is getting overlooked. He's the best opponent of Golovkin's career, by a wide margin.

no he isnt. just no. even lemieux would floor brooks rather easy.
chech the odds around on golovkin w.
if brooks wins its the upset of boxing history.

[SFW]

I hear all this nonsense about how Brook is the most skilled Golovkin opponent, when the truth is GGG is above and beyond the most skilled Kell has ever even dared to face. Nobody wants to bring that fact up. If Brook lasts 6 rounds he's exceeded expectations, gets to keep his title, a career payday, and has all the built in excuses he wants. This fairytale about Kell out boxing GGG is so misguided and naive, Gennady would have to turn 100 years old overnight, then break a hand for it to happen in reality. Wait a couple rounds, see what most saw all along. A blatant mismatch, more spectacle than substance. It may be trendy to say Kell is going to be GGG' s toughest fight, but that doesn't mean it's true. I think he's getting knocked the fornicate out in 6 rounds or less.

[In the know 85]

Brook has a 0% chance.

No such thing as a fighter with a 0% chance. No matter how big of an underdog you are there's always some freakish thing that could happen and make it all go your way. A perfect shot right on the chin, a perfect debilitating body shot, your opponent breaks his ankle, your opponent blows his knee out, your opponent drops dead from sudden cardiac arrest...while these scenarios are highly unlikely, they're not impossible. Therefore there's more than a 0% chance

Thank you

You clearly haven't seen AUDLEY HARRISON.. Or CHARLES MARTIN fight !

[gilgamesh]

No such thing as a fighter with a 0% chance. No matter how big of an underdog you are there's always some freakish thing that could happen and make it all go your way. A perfect shot right on the chin, a perfect debilitating body shot, your opponent breaks his ankle, your opponent blows his knee out, your opponent drops dead from sudden cardiac arrest...while these scenarios are highly unlikely, they're not impossible. Therefore there's more than a 0% chance

Thank you

You clearly haven't seen AUDLEY HARRISON.. Or CHARLES MARTIN fight !

Charles Martin is actually kinda proof of what I was talking about. Became a "World Champion" briefly because his opponent blew his knee out

[G.McClellan]

The problem Brook has, trying to win this on the scorecards, is that Golovkin doesn't believe in judges.

[Butterbean]

The problem Brook has, trying to win this on the scorecards, is that Golovkin doesn't believe in judges.

lmao.
actually ggg is up there wherevthe old chuck norris jokes would make sensce...

[jezzamundo]

Firstly, it's probably not going to happen, but...

To me - if it were a clear victory, like a 116-112 or wider decision or a KO/TKO with no robbery or quickfire stoppage - it probably makes him the #1 p4p fighter in the sport, seeing as we don't have a clear cut #1 right now. If GGG had some better names on his resume, it would be even more impressive.

As for his standing among British fighters, it's a better win than any other British fighter has had, at least since Hatton beat Tszyu, although it would actually top that. Regarding British fighters all-time standing, I'd still have him behind Lewis, Calzaghe and Froch for the moment, but not by much.

I don't think the fight will happen either.

Brook has gone from Spence Jr to Vargas to Golovkin as potential fights.

But in the unlikely event he were to fight Golovkin and win (with no hint of a robbery) then I would put him at p4p #1 and on the same level as Nigel Benn and Lennox Lewis. Which is to say above Calzaghe, Froch and Nazeem.

Triple G is Hall of Fame material. Who I think would give most middleweights from the golden era of the sport, trouble. For me it isn't the names he's fought, but the way he's dispatched them.
Brook doesn't have a pray and that's ultimately why I don't see this fight taking place.

FTR 'it's probably not going to happen' was in reference to Brook winning, not the fight happening.

[Badhusker]

I began being very critical of this fight, but as time goes on I'm very interested in seeing it. I still think GGG stops him mid to late rounds, but it is the unknowns of how well Brook can box and the fact that he has never lost before that will be interesting. How much heart does he have? I hope it is a fun fight to watch.

Loeffler says if GGG has a bad night he could lose. Well no shit-sherlock. He is trying hard to sell the fight - his job.

[Lackeos]

This is pretty similar to the "What if Amir Khan beats Alvarez" thread, the "What if Berto beats Mayweather," thread, and so on. I think by now, you would know what if. The answer is that sh*t never happens, so it's not really worth thinking about, and you're trying to spin it as though the underdog has more of a chance than he really does. But when it does, the victor doesn't entirely take the place of the person he beat. For example, when Antonio Tarver beat RJJ, he didn't take RJJ's place in the p4p ranks, because you don't become p4p #1 overnight by winning 1 fight -- it requires a proven track record of invincibility. Although, in this case, because Brook is fighting up 2 divisions, such a win would have much greater p4p implications than if a middleweight beat Golovkin, so Brook certainly would be high in the p4p ranks indeed. Top 5, easily; top 3, probably.

The reality is Brook won't win this fight, Golovkin is a very heavy favorite, and Golovkin isn't entitled to any major props if he wins it. Brook is in no better position to test Golovkin than have been Lemieux, Murray, Geale, or Macklin.

[Boxerbeetle]

I just looked at the booky odds on the fight. I can't believe that they only have the odds at 6-1. I thought it would be more like 50 or 100 to 1.

That's ridiculous - Brook isn't that much smaller than GGG and is definitely more skilled than any of his opponents to date.

Yep agreed. Whilst I can't really see a realistic way Brook will win, this isn't some journeyman challenging Golovkin out of the blue. Both fighters are up there in terms of P4P ranking, an upset is extremely unlikely but bookies aren't exactly going to give odds of 100-1.

[Wales]

People saying 0% chance forget recent upsets. Fury Klitchko for example. Only 12% of 168 posters who voted on the poll on here went for a Fury win. The other 88% made comments like "no chance" and "Klitchko by KO whenever he wants".

Putting all that aside i see the fight being something similar to Khan Canelo. Speed and movement will prevail without making a dent until GGG walks Brook down mid rounds. Mathew Macklin said he had a game plan against GGG that went straight out of the window, he was also shocked how good GGG footwork was.

[Wales]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jOBPKoyN0P0

[Ilya Muromets]

I just looked at the booky odds on the fight. I can't believe that they only have the odds at 6-1. I thought it would be more like 50 or 100 to 1.

That's ridiculous - Brook isn't that much smaller than GGG and is definitely more skilled than any of his opponents to date.

Well of course he's not that much smaller. They're both middleweights aren't they? And as soon as the fight gets underway you wont think that 100-1 was ridiculous. Good odds if u want to deal with the books. 1-6 on GGG. Take the money and run.

[lazboy]

I hear all this nonsense about how Brook is the most skilled Golovkin opponent, when the truth is GGG is above and beyond the most skilled Kell has ever even dared to face. Nobody wants to bring that fact up. If Brook lasts 6 rounds he's exceeded expectations, gets to keep his title, a career payday, and has all the built in excuses he wants. This fairytale about Kell out boxing GGG is so misguided and naive, Gennady would have to turn 100 years old overnight, then break a hand for it to happen in reality. Wait a couple rounds, see what most saw all along. A blatant mismatch, more spectacle than substance. It may be trendy to say Kell is going to be GGG' s toughest fight, but that doesn't mean it's true. I think he's getting knocked the eff out in 6 rounds or less.

I think Brooks getting knocked out, but in the later rounds, 7 to 9. He's going to out speed GGG for a few rounds, tap him with the jab and right but I doubt much will get in because GGG has an underrated defense. Maybe Kell will win a couple of rounds, barely, without hurting GGG, on his bike but I really think he'll last at least 6. He's a welterweight so you can assume he'll be naturally faster and will be used to move faster. This will tire him out with the extra weight. But it won't be Kell defeating himself, it will be smart GGG, stalking him, staying relaxed, closing the gap, and then bang, Kells in trouble.

[jewboypgh]

If Kell brooks beats GGG....the Pope will perform a bar mitzvah at my synagogue.....Richard Simmons will have sex with Women....Obama will denounce Socialism......Rev Al Sharpton will vote for Donald Trump......and an ice storm will hit the Sahara desert in August.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

Surely none of those events was as shocking to you as Diaz giving Sammy a boxing lesson?

[greg]

If Kell brooks beats GGG....the Pope will perform a bar mitzvah at my synagogue.....Richard Simmons will have sex with Women....Obama will denounce Socialism......Rev Al Sharpton will vote for Donald Trump......and an ice storm will hit the Sahara desert in August.