Famous Fake Fights

[Ilya Muromets]

Rocky Marciano was a long time Mafia associate, but they even tried to get him to take a dive once. He refused and said, "You are a disgrace to the Italians". He was in a position where he could get away with that. Others, like Sergei Kobozev, weren't.

[Tony1244]

Some of these are fake fights. Probably not all of them. If a punch lands (not the Edwards "fight") on a certain part of the head where there is no snap, it appears harmless, doesn't mean it is.

Ali-Liston 2 certainly looked fake to me. I'm agnostic on Wilder-Scott even though a lot of you are certain on that one.

You're hardly the only one. In fact they couldn't find a single person in attendance at either Clay - Liston "fight" who thought they were on the level. The mafia owned Liston. He did what they told him to. Clay-Ali had many fights that were fixed one way or another.

Something tells me you're not an Ali fan. At the risk of troll feeding, I base my belief that Ali-Liston 2 was fixed because Liston kept falling down and getting back up again in a very unconvincing manner. The look in his eyes was more bored than hurt. Liston probably realized he couldn't beat Ali so he was looking for a comfy place to lie down. He also received death threats that likely did terrify him.

I do not think the first Ali-Liston fight was fake at all. The only bad things I can say about his 2nd career is Norton 2 & 3, and the Young fight could certainly have gone in the other direction and he was allowed to hold the back of the neck way too much.

But to say Ali had many fights that were fixed is ridiculous to be generous.

[Tony1244]

Wilder - Scott

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jws9K_RTCy4

Watch Scott's head especially in slow motion. It didn't even move as it would have if anything landed. Even the announcers went as far as they could go without losing their jobs.

Next we can discuss David Haye's two comeback "fights" and also his "fight" against Harrison.

You can't see the hook to the temple? Apparently you haven't even been punched. A hit like that from a guy that hits as hard as Wilder can definitely throw off your equilibrium.

Agreed. I don't think it was fake. It was the left hook more than the right hand.

Sweat doesn't have to fly and the neck doesn't have to snap. A good thud to the temple from a good puncher can suffice.

[DaveyMac]

I don't think Wilder- Scott was any kind of fix. Why would anyone bother? Wilder was never going to be in any jeopardy. Betting on the fight was minimal as was interest.
Why would anyone risk a felony to fix such an unimportant fight?

It looked to me then and now that he got crushed with the hook to the temple and the right just kind of shoved his already dead self down.

[RoyRJ]

Deontay = PAPER champion

We all know deontay is a BUM!

There's only ONE TYSON FURY!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JL7h72NigqE

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Tyson -v- Seldon.

Seldon fell over from a glance on the top of his head from Iron Mike, then faked a body popping move after getting up when the ref asked him was he all right?

[gilgamesh]

I don't think Wilder- Scott was any kind of fix. Why would anyone bother? Wilder was never going to be in any jeopardy. Betting on the fight was minimal as was interest.
Why would anyone risk a felony to fix such an unimportant fight?

It looked to me then and now that he got crushed with the hook to the temple and the right just kind of shoved his already dead self down.

I don't think Wilder vs Scott was fixed in the sense that Scott was paid extra to take a dive. I do think Scott went down and stayed down though without being hurt because he was scared to death of Wilder.

[Tony1244]

Tyson -v- Seldon.

Seldon fell over from a glance on the top of his head from Iron Mike, then faked a body popping move after getting up when the ref asked him was he all right?

I just watched it. Strange fight. What put Seldon down looked like nothing, but Tyson landed hard shots earlier. Either a delayed reaction to the shots or Seldon just saying to himself 'enough of this,' or some combination of both.

[gilgamesh]

Tyson -v- Seldon.

Seldon fell over from a glance on the top of his head from Iron Mike, then faked a body popping move after getting up when the ref asked him was he all right?

I just watched it. Strange fight. What put Seldon down looked like nothing, but Tyson landed hard shots earlier. Either a delayed reaction to the shots or Seldon just saying to himself 'enough of this,' or some combination of both.

Same as the Wilder vs Scott situation. Seldon was scared to death, and he just wanted to get his check and go home.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

Tyson -v- Seldon.

Seldon fell over from a glance on the top of his head from Iron Mike, then faked a body popping move after getting up when the ref asked him was he all right?

Stewart too, though I suspect they were avoiding pain more than cashing a check.

[HyacinthusTurnipseed]

If the first Price-Thompson fight, or even Golovkin-Rubio or Frampton-Cazares could be used in some elaborate way to discredit Wilder or David Haye I'm sure we'd be discussing those fights as well, eh?

There are better heavyweights on the scene than either DW or DH, but they both have fast hands, some skills and real power, so when they KO overmatched and not especially robust opponents I really don't see what there is that needs further explanation.

Saying that, a part of me does wonder if Scott at least physically could have got up. I see no reason to doubt that the punch put him down but maybe it is possible that he was dealing with too much self-doubt (having never faced a Wilder-like opponent in his whole pro career) for him to overcome inside ten seconds - no real evidence either way, but on the eye-test that is what it looks like to me.

[DaveyMac]

I don't think Wilder- Scott was any kind of fix. Why would anyone bother? Wilder was never going to be in any jeopardy. Betting on the fight was minimal as was interest.
Why would anyone risk a felony to fix such an unimportant fight?

It looked to me then and now that he got crushed with the hook to the temple and the right just kind of shoved his already dead self down.

I don't think Wilder vs Scott was fixed in the sense that Scott was paid extra to take a dive. I do think Scott went down and stayed down though without being hurt because he was scared to death of Wilder.

Plausible yes.

[Badhusker]

You can't see the hook to the temple? Apparently you haven't even been punched. A hit like that from a guy that hits as hard as Wilder can definitely throw off your equilibrium.

Nah, it was a little slap. You don't KO fighters with a slap. Threw him off his equilibrium? OK that might make some sense if it was followed up with a hard right or something, but it wasn't!

I would love to do a demonstration. I doubt you have any idea what a punch feels like.

[Lackeos]

You can't see the hook to the temple? Apparently you haven't even been punched. A hit like that from a guy that hits as hard as Wilder can definitely throw off your equilibrium.

Nah, it was a little slap. You don't KO fighters with a slap. Threw him off his equilibrium? OK that might make some sense if it was followed up with a hard right or something, but it wasn't!

I would love to do a demonstration. I doubt you have any idea what a punch feels like.

That's an idiotic argument. You might as well be saying that any pro boxer would get knocked out if they got hit by a single, soft, glancing blow. It turns out that that's not really how professional boxing works; because divisional top 25 professionals are generally hard men, not Steve Urkel. Malik Scott is no iron-jawed warrior, but we've seen him endure 100 times as much punishment in other fights. Not to mention that Malik Scott went down very softly, he had all of his wits about him and then some, and he could've effortlessly got up at the count of 2 if he wanted to. The look on his face when he went down was like "I could recite the 50 state capitals, I could bang out 100 push-ups if I wanted, but I'm making a conscious decision to lay on the ground." You're acting willfully ignorant about what a knocked out fighter looks like. You know better than to truly believe that he's knocked out.

[Ilya Muromets]

That's an idiotic argument. You might as well be saying that any pro boxer would get knocked out if they got hit by a single, soft, glancing blow. It turns out that that's not really how professional boxing works; because divisional top 25 professionals are generally hard men, not Steve Urkel. Malik Scott is no iron-jawed warrior, but we've seen him endure 100 times as much punishment in other fights. Not to mention that Malik Scott went down very softly, he had all of his wits about him and then some, and he could've effortlessly got up at the count of 2 if he wanted to. The look on his face when he went down was like "I could recite the 50 state capitals, I could bang out 100 push-ups if I wanted, but I'm making a conscious decision to lay on the ground." You're acting willfully ignorant about what a knocked out fighter looks like. You know better than to truly believe that he's knocked out.

Yep. The It Was Real boys here don't address Scott's controlled fall - he used his arm to stop the fall - nor the way that Wilder seemed to know the fight was over without even looking at the fallen Scott. It wasn't such a thunderous blow that there would be no doubt in his mind, now was it? - but he just walked back to his corner and started celebrating without even looking.

To the guy above, yeah I know what punches feel like. I used to be a heavyweight boxer and I found the subject of defense boring so figure it out for yourself.

" but we've seen him endure 100 times as much punishment in other fights"

Of course. He couldn't have become a professional heavyweight fighter with a won-lost record like that if he got KO'd so easily.

[MachoTime]

Some of these are fake fights. Probably not all of them. If a punch lands (not the Edwards "fight") on a certain part of the head where there is no snap, it appears harmless, doesn't mean it is.

Ali-Liston 2 certainly looked fake to me. I'm agnostic on Wilder-Scott even though a lot of you are certain on that one.

You're hardly the only one. In fact they couldn't find a single person in attendance at either Clay - Liston "fight" who thought they were on the level. The mafia owned Liston. He did what they told him to. Clay-Ali had many fights that were fixed one way or another.

Something tells me you're not an Ali fan. At the risk of troll feeding, I base my belief that Ali-Liston 2 was fixed because Liston kept falling down and getting back up again in a very unconvincing manner. The look in his eyes was more bored than hurt. Liston probably realized he couldn't beat Ali so he was looking for a comfy place to lie down. He also received death threats that likely did terrify him.

I do not think the first Ali-Liston fight was fake at all. The only bad things I can say about his 2nd career is Norton 2 & 3, and the Young fight could certainly have gone in the other direction and he was allowed to hold the back of the neck way too much.

But to say Ali had many fights that were fixed is ridiculous to be generous.

In a very unconvincing fashion as say Berbick being clipped by Tyson on the temple...Berbick going down in much the same manner as Liston. The punch Ali hit Liston with in the second fight was right in the temple area..

Personally speaking I have heard this debated over and over about how Liston who was controlled by the mob took a dive. To do what hand over the heavyweight championship to the Black Muslim's (Clay/Ali). Doesn't make sense. The 2nd was legit so was the KO..

[Ilya Muromets]

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[Ilya Muromets]

Nobody in the know, no boxing insider, nobody who was actually there, thinks the two bizarre Clay - Liston fights were on the level. Even the FBI investigated those fights. They thought that Liston and a mob connected Las Vegas gambler named Resnick made over a million dollars in the 2nd one, both betting on Clay. Liston was with the mob for years and it is probably the mob that eventually killed him. Clay-Ali was with the Black Moslem mob. They helped fix a lot of his later fights for him. Now they've spun him into some kind of bs media superhero. He was one of the most hated men in boxing at the time, and Liston was too.

[SteveO]

Clay-Ali was with the Black Moslem mob. They helped fix a lot of his later fights for him.

At the risk of feeding another troll - I'll ask the question anyway.
Please tell us which of the later fights were fixed and supply evidence to support your statement - not just your opinion.

[Ilya Muromets]

Deontay = PAPER champion

We all know deontay is a BUM!

There's only ONE TYSON FURY!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JL7h72NigqE

Ha ha I love Fury!

[Ilya Muromets]

Ray Edwards vs Nick Capes. I'm not sure about this one. It may or may not have been fake. Actually, kidding aside, this one is my favorite.


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ereo4TEk9r8

This is by far my favorite dive in boxing history, I couldn't stop laughing when I saw it for the first time. But now I start thinking it might be a real KO, because Nick Capes looks so bad that it seems he can be actually knocked out by a breath of the wind

Poor little feller got banned. Oh well, his boxing career didn't quite take off the way he had imagined. He thought he would be the champ, but every fight he had he got KO'd in rd.1. I don't blame him for diving to the ground in this one. I would have done the same thing if I was a little short fat guy with no muscles and they put me in the ring with a trained athlete twice my size. They charged the suckers $50 to see that fight ha ha ha!


"Boxer suspended for taking a dive against Ray Edwards"

"Event promoter Cory Rapacz said Capes — a cruiserweight — was a last-minute replacement for a couple of no-show boxers and didn't realize what he was getting into before stepping into the ring with the much larger Edwards, who fights as a heavyweight.

"I feel terrible for him," Rapacz told WDAY-TV. "(Capes) got scared and looked for a way out."


http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/bo ... s/1917587/

[Cutman Scabbers]

I like your series , Al Bernstein says "That right hand didn't land perfectly" priceless, did it land at all?

It was the left hook that stopped him, no?

[Cutman Scabbers]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZFS_4SLMfac

Horrible fight. Appreciate the honesty of the commentators!

[DA GOOSE]

Green vs Briggs

Jeez was that a ridiculous dive or did the guy have some medical problem that caused him to fall down like that? It was so absurd. When you take a dive the objective is to try to fool the spectators not make them laugh or yell and throw stuff. Did you hear Green go off on him, and they said they were friends before? It isn't as if Briggs was some bum off the streets either. He had two very close losses to Adamek. He had been retired from boxing though.

There were huge bets on a first round KO from crims.

http://www.smh.com.au/sport/boxing/hes- ... 10li4.html

He had been retired for 3 years.

[Ilya Muromets]

David Haye's first comeback fight vs di Mori. What do you think? To me di Mori looked like he was playing the sparring partner. Mostly he just stood there like a big punching bag. He threw one jab and a couple of looping hooks telegraphed a mile. It was the guy's big chance. You'd think he would have given it all he had and gone for bust, no?




https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=glcXVsBZNDw