"Robberies"in Rio? Remember London?!?

[Wales]

Everyone talking about duff judging in Rio, lets not forget some of the scoring in London.

Skip to 52mins of video below, round 2 of Joshua Savon in last 16 in London. Score the round using old amateur scoring of point for scoring punch and see how you had the round compared to the judges. After clicking on video click "view on youtube"

Be interesting to see how posters here scored that round


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=AbgSdHeXn4c

[Stuarty]

As far as I can remember the Olympics have always been the same. Beijing in 08 was a shambles as well. Hell of a lot of home fighters benefiting from that dodgy points system. I thought it would've gotten better after they scrapped that nonsense but it would seem not.

[ste1983]

said the same thing yesterday

[Cyclops]

I think most of us who were upset at Joyce not getting the gold probably thought back to Joshua, especially as he was there to commentate, and remembered how he deserved his gold less.

That's how it is. What can you do?

[bripez]

I think most of us who were upset at Joyce not getting the gold probably thought back to Joshua, especially as he was there to commentate, and remembered how he deserved his gold less.

That's how it is. What can you do?

I agree - the irony wasn't lost on me although Joshua didn't seem to click (but is guess 4 years of Eddie blowing smoke up your arse can do that to a man) !

[jamesmcdonnell]

The venue seems to matter not, Olympics judging is always terrible.

[Counter-puncher]

anyone notice how Joyce mentioned 'stay hungry stay humble'- can't remember if it was after the final or the semi- and he and Joshua had a little smile over the phrase. *not sure if serious.......*

[Cyclops]

anyone notice how Joyce mentioned 'stay hungry stay humble'- can't remember if it was after the final or the semi- and he and Joshua had a little smile over the phrase. *not sure if serious.......*

Yep. Joyce's self professed humbleness has been duly noted.

[Counter-puncher]

anyone notice how Joyce mentioned 'stay hungry stay humble'- can't remember if it was after the final or the semi- and he and Joshua had a little smile over the phrase. *not sure if serious.......*

Yep. Joyce's self professed humbleness has been duly noted.

but i couldn't work if he was 'serious' about it, or he was knowingly mouthing the cliche for giggles with AJ

[jamesmcdonnell]

anyone notice how Joyce mentioned 'stay hungry stay humble'- can't remember if it was after the final or the semi- and he and Joshua had a little smile over the phrase. *not sure if serious.......*

Yep. Joyce's self professed humbleness has been duly noted.

but i couldn't work if he was 'serious' about it, or he was knowingly mouthing the cliche for giggles with AJ

He was clearly taking the piss.

[Counter-puncher]

Yep. Joyce's self professed humbleness has been duly noted.

but i couldn't work if he was 'serious' about it, or he was knowingly mouthing the cliche for giggles with AJ

He was clearly taking the piss.

which i find interesting

[freddydoesdallas]

anyone notice how Joyce mentioned 'stay hungry stay humble'- can't remember if it was after the final or the semi- and he and Joshua had a little smile over the phrase. *not sure if serious.......*

Yep. Joyce's self professed humbleness has been duly noted.

but i couldn't work if he was 'serious' about it, or he was knowingly mouthing the cliche for giggles with AJ

Haha, fair play to them for sending it up then. AJ knows the casual punter he's after probably won't be watching the Olympics when Nissan Super Sunday is on

[knockout]

Even going back to Sydney, Audley was losing prior to a very premature stoppage versus Lezin! Margins at the top are tight and they can go either way! Just wasn't Joyce's night unfortunately, but he has had a great amateur career with world and Olympics medals ! Now let's see how he does in the pros :)

[knockout]

Haha, fair play to them for sending it up then. AJ knows the casual punter he's after probably won't be watching the Olympics when Nissan Super Sunday is on

Talking of super Sunday ! After the performance in the Olympics by Team GB and many others it just highlights how mediocre football really is and how lacking in balls the English football team is!!!

[jamesmcdonnell]

but i couldn't work if he was 'serious' about it, or he was knowingly mouthing the cliche for giggles with AJ

He was clearly taking the piss.

which i find interesting

think he was just having a bit of fun with Joshua, they seemed pretty pally.

[Coco]

Joshua's decision certainly was not any worse than the Irish fighters but Joshua has improved hugely since

[crusader]

Whether Joshua has improved is irrelevant to the judging

I'm sure a lot of the 2016 amateurs will be better in four years time as well.

[lillywhite14]

Joshua got a gift against Savon. Katie Taylor got a gift in her final in 2012 too I remember.

People love to slag Joshua for the Olympics, but he didn't fight particularly well that tournament. He performed better in the worlds. I think the pressure got to him a bit. He's come on a bit since then. To the point where it's hard to imagine someone like Yoka lasting any longer than a round or two against him.

[olij999]

Asking if we can remember all the way back to London 2012? Seriously? Of course we can, and of course various British boxers got some squeaky decisions that they would not have got elsewhere, Joshua v Savon being the most obvious example. Bad decisions in 2012 were criticised on Boxrec in 2012. And hometown decisions have always been the way at the Olympics. Alan Minter v Dieter Kottysch in 1972; Damiani v Tillman in 1984, Jones in 1988, and so on. But bad judging in 2012 and previous years doesn't mean we shouldn't protest about bad judging in 2016, and about bad judging every time it happens.

And, frankly, I admire the sheer good fortune of Anthony Joshua. A home Olympics at which he wins some "tight" decisions, then as a pro getting to face Charles Martin, perhaps the weakest alphabet heavyweight title holder of all time, for the world title. Very nice work if you can get it, and good luck to him.

[bripez]

anyone notice how Joyce mentioned 'stay hungry stay humble'- can't remember if it was after the final or the semi- and he and Joshua had a little smile over the phrase. *not sure if serious.......*

Yep. Joyce's self professed humbleness has been duly noted.

They are all at it now

I was listening on the radio earlier and some bird mate/relative of Buatsi kept saying how humble he was was and deserved more success because he was so humble

[Boxerbeetle]

anyone notice how Joyce mentioned 'stay hungry stay humble'- can't remember if it was after the final or the semi- and he and Joshua had a little smile over the phrase. *not sure if serious.......*

Yep. Joyce's self professed humbleness has been duly noted.

They are all at it now

I was listening on the radio earlier and some bird mate/relative of Buatsi kept saying how humble he was was and deserved more success because he was so humble

#Stayhungry/Stayhumble
#Hardwork/Dedication

Genuinely can't decide which slogan pisses me off the most.

[Wales]

Asking if we can remember all the way back to London 2012? Seriously? Of course we can, and of course various British boxers got some squeaky decisions that they would not have got elsewhere, Joshua v Savon being the most obvious example. Bad decisions in 2012 were criticised on Boxrec in 2012. And hometown decisions have always been the way at the Olympics. Alan Minter v Dieter Kottysch in 1972; Damiani v Tillman in 1984, Jones in 1988, and so on. But bad judging in 2012 and previous years doesn't mean we shouldn't protest about bad judging in 2016, and about bad judging every time it happens.

And, frankly, I admire the sheer good fortune of Anthony Joshua. A home Olympics at which he wins some "tight" decisions, then as a pro getting to face Charles Martin, perhaps the weakest alphabet heavyweight title holder of all time, for the world title. Very nice work if you can get it, and good luck to him.

You're bang on mate. We should protest about clearly bias judging in 2016, 2012 and every other Olympic year. If im honest "bad" judging I can deal with, but downright clueless borderline corrupt judging I can't.

My post was born of frustration at mass media coverage (rightfully) slamming the judging of fights like conlon and joyce... albeit they were both close in grand scheme of things.

I recall articles like this in 2012, and whilst some did question the Joshua Savon scores it wasn't a big news, high profile affair like 2016.

We are where we are. Just annoys me there seems to be a huge outcry in 2016 that I don't recall as big in 2012.

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/londo ... ony-joshua

[Wales]

And, frankly, I admire the sheer good fortune of Anthony Joshua. A home Olympics at which he wins some "tight" decisions, then as a pro getting to face Charles Martin, perhaps the weakest alphabet heavyweight title holder of all time, for the world title. Very nice work if you can get it, and good luck to him.

Everything that's wrong with boxing. Dodgy hometown decision, fight crappest alphabet champion, defend against muppets that appear in top 15.

Don't blame the player blame the game.

[gobbles]

Asking if we can remember all the way back to London 2012? Seriously? Of course we can, and of course various British boxers got some squeaky decisions that they would not have got elsewhere, Joshua v Savon being the most obvious example. Bad decisions in 2012 were criticised on Boxrec in 2012. And hometown decisions have always been the way at the Olympics. Alan Minter v Dieter Kottysch in 1972; Damiani v Tillman in 1984, Jones in 1988, and so on. But bad judging in 2012 and previous years doesn't mean we shouldn't protest about bad judging in 2016, and about bad judging every time it happens.

And, frankly, I admire the sheer good fortune of Anthony Joshua. A home Olympics at which he wins some "tight" decisions, then as a pro getting to face Charles Martin, perhaps the weakest alphabet heavyweight title holder of all time, for the world title. Very nice work if you can get it, and good luck to him.

You're bang on mate. We should protest about clearly bias judging in 2016, 2012 and every other Olympic year. If im honest "bad" judging I can deal with, but downright clueless borderline corrupt judging I can't.

My post was born of frustration at mass media coverage (rightfully) slamming the judging of fights like conlon and joyce... albeit they were both close in grand scheme of things.

I recall articles like this in 2012, and whilst some did question the Joshua Savon scores it wasn't a big news, high profile affair like 2016.

We are where we are. Just annoys me there seems to be a huge outcry in 2016 that I don't recall as big in 2012.

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/londo ... ony-joshua

Joshua got a terrible decision over Savon in 2012, but Stalker lost a terrible decision.

And are you saying that makes it OK that Joyce was robbed? Anyone who thinks that decision was close has no idea what they are watching. Yoka's punching was nearly all out of range - go watch it on BBC iplayer, there were some punch stats put around that claimed Joyce landed 45 more punches - in 3 rounds! - whereas Joyce threw five times as much and while some were blocked or missed, a lot landed. Let's not forget the Turkish judge gave Yoka every round.

By grouping boxers into national groups, you are doing just what AIBA do: Boxer A gets a gift, so it doesn't matter if another boxer from the same country gets robbed. AIBA rely on the only people complaining being from the country of the losing boxer, so they can claim they are biased. Joyce had the right to be judged fairly, not judged by some previous fit-up.

[Supremo]

Asking if we can remember all the way back to London 2012? Seriously? Of course we can, and of course various British boxers got some squeaky decisions that they would not have got elsewhere, Joshua v Savon being the most obvious example. Bad decisions in 2012 were criticised on Boxrec in 2012. And hometown decisions have always been the way at the Olympics. Alan Minter v Dieter Kottysch in 1972; Damiani v Tillman in 1984, Jones in 1988, and so on. But bad judging in 2012 and previous years doesn't mean we shouldn't protest about bad judging in 2016, and about bad judging every time it happens.

And, frankly, I admire the sheer good fortune of Anthony Joshua. A home Olympics at which he wins some "tight" decisions, then as a pro getting to face Charles Martin, perhaps the weakest alphabet heavyweight title holder of all time, for the world title. Very nice work if you can get it, and good luck to him.

You're bang on mate. We should protest about clearly bias judging in 2016, 2012 and every other Olympic year. If im honest "bad" judging I can deal with, but downright clueless borderline corrupt judging I can't.

My post was born of frustration at mass media coverage (rightfully) slamming the judging of fights like conlon and joyce... albeit they were both close in grand scheme of things.

I recall articles like this in 2012, and whilst some did question the Joshua Savon scores it wasn't a big news, high profile affair like 2016.

We are where we are. Just annoys me there seems to be a huge outcry in 2016 that I don't recall as big in 2012.

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/londo ... ony-joshua

Joshua got a terrible decision over Savon in 2012, but Stalker lost a terrible decision.

And are you saying that makes it OK that Joyce was robbed? Anyone who thinks that decision was close has no idea what they are watching. Yoka's punching was nearly all out of range - go watch it on BBC iplayer, there were some punch stats put around that claimed Joyce landed 45 more punches - in 3 rounds! - whereas Joyce threw five times as much and while some were blocked or missed, a lot landed. Let's not forget the Turkish judge gave Yoka every round.

By grouping boxers into national groups, you are doing just what AIBA do: Boxer A gets a gift, so it doesn't matter if another boxer from the same country gets robbed. AIBA rely on the only people complaining being from the country of the losing boxer, so they can claim they are biased. Joyce had the right to be judged fairly, not judged by some previous fit-up.

What's your credentials to think you know better than anyone else and can pass authoritative judgement upon anyone else's knowledge of boxing???
I've been watching, training or participating in boxing for 30 years- I think Yoka won that fight- I must know shit though...
Nobody disputes that Joyce through more punches- he landed very few though and even less that were of any significance. Yoka had the far cleaner and effective work in a close fight. To call that a robbery is a total misuse of the word.