Who has the 5 best wins on their resume? (any weightclass - Post 1990)

[gilgamesh]

PBF has beaten two guys in my view, that belong in the top 100 greatest pound per pound boxers of all-time: Juan Manuel Marquez and Manny Pacquiao.

The other fighters? They were good and great wins along the way, but, those guys were never top 100 all-time material.

You could make a slight case for Mosley and De La Hoya being Top 100 all time kinda fighters. I probably wouldn't have 'em there, but you could make a case for it.

You're right. They could be borderline. In some subjective personal lists, they could be included. In my view, they are not for the simple fact that there are too many borderline top guys in my view that didn't make it and deserve to be above the Oscars and the Sugar Shanes.

I agree with that. I've never taken the time to make an All Time Top 100 list though. One of these days I'll do something like that. It's all subjective though. All that really matters is what's going on in the Boxing world currently at whatever given moment, but it is always fun to talk about where the Legends stand after it's all said and done.

[elmersalsa]

You could make a slight case for Mosley and De La Hoya being Top 100 all time kinda fighters. I probably wouldn't have 'em there, but you could make a case for it.

You're right. They could be borderline. In some subjective personal lists, they could be included. In my view, they are not for the simple fact that there are too many borderline top guys in my view that didn't make it and deserve to be above the Oscars and the Sugar Shanes.

I agree with that. I've never taken the time to make an All Time Top 100 list though. One of these days I'll do something like that. It's all subjective though. All that really matters is what's going on in the Boxing world currently at whatever given moment, but it is always fun to talk about where the Legends stand after it's all said and done.

Just try to do it. Man, it's a drag! So many fighters and legendary champions that boxing has produced that in some point, it hurts you leaving someone you really like, out. I have tried for years doing a top 100 ATG p4p and it could also be confusing. So many eras, weight divisions and championship records to take into consideration. Also, longevity, the quality of fights, fighting style rating and circumstances of every boxer. Some boxers have beaten better boxers than others. But, others had better championship reign, longevity and prime years on the top.

[Kalan]

I don't want to get into a long debate here but" VITALI DID NOT beat LENNOX.

What would or could of happened is no more than saying what would happen in Fury Wlad 2 if it ever happens.

Would Douglas beat Tyson if the corner had an enswell and ice pack.

Byrd beat Vitali because his body would let him finish the fight that's the way it goes.

Its been 13 years buts it time to let it go, no matter how you spin it Lennox Lewis the last great heavyweight of his generation beat the best heavyweight of this generation. Since 2003 no heavyweight has emerged as good as Lennox.

Any objective assessment of achievement would rate Lewis the best heavyweight since 1999.

Bullshlt... Vitali Klitschko landed many more punches than Lewis did in their fight... he also landed the best punches of the fight in the first 2 rounds... He led on ALL SCORECARD ALL THE WAY even after he was blinded by the cuts... and he was slashed by a flagrant thumb strike and palm rake (fouls) and the fight should have gone to the scorecards.. Plus, Lewis was knocked out twice with one shot each.. Klitschko was never behind on points in any fight, and has a higher KO ratio and winning percentage than Lewis has... even though he took 4 years off in his prime to rehab his Kickboxing injured legs... He still ended up with more amateur and professional fights than Lewis had.

[jbizzle20]

I don't want to get into a long debate here but" VITALI DID NOT beat LENNOX.

What would or could of happened is no more than saying what would happen in Fury Wlad 2 if it ever happens.

Would Douglas beat Tyson if the corner had an enswell and ice pack.

Byrd beat Vitali because his body would let him finish the fight that's the way it goes.

Its been 13 years buts it time to let it go, no matter how you spin it Lennox Lewis the last great heavyweight of his generation beat the best heavyweight of this generation. Since 2003 no heavyweight has emerged as good as Lennox.

Any objective assessment of achievement would rate Lewis the best heavyweight since 1999.

Don't bother. When asked to present credible evidence for his claims, he gave none. He thinks Wilt Chamberlain would beat Muhammad Ali with only minimal boxing training.

[ClivePatrickLyons]

So if boxing started on Jan 1st 1990 (nothing becore that counts)
And our only criteria is taking a boxer's 5 best wins...

My 1st pick is definitely MANNY PACQUAIO
(because of not just the calibre of opponent he beat, it was the fact that he wrecked them)

Stopped Barrera
KO'd Morales
Stopped De La Hoya
KO'd Hatton
Stopped Miguel Cotto

That's a pretty incredible run of results for any man. Wow.

[Kalan]

I don't want to get into a long debate here but" VITALI DID NOT beat LENNOX.

What would or could of happened is no more than saying what would happen in Fury Wlad 2 if it ever happens.

Would Douglas beat Tyson if the corner had an enswell and ice pack.

Byrd beat Vitali because his body would let him finish the fight that's the way it goes.

Its been 13 years buts it time to let it go, no matter how you spin it Lennox Lewis the last great heavyweight of his generation beat the best heavyweight of this generation. Since 2003 no heavyweight has emerged as good as Lennox.

Any objective assessment of achievement would rate Lewis the best heavyweight since 1999.

Don't bother. When asked to present credible evidence for his claims, he gave none. He thinks Wilt Chamberlain would beat Muhammad Ali with only minimal boxing training.

Minimal boxing training is NOT what was planned... A massively intense 6-month training camp was planned, with a number of top coaches and boxers volunteering to help... What is known is that Chamberlain had phenomenal strength, speed, balance, athletic ability and endurance... He led the NBA in minutes played year after year while dominating the game on both ends of the court... In Basketball you play 48 minutes 82 times a year... and then the playoffs start for a possible 28 more games... Most pro boxers never have 82 fights in their entre careers.. Most NBA players see more competitive action in one season than boxers see in their entire careers.. Wilt saw the most action of any player because the other team's focus was on stopping him any way they could.. They fouled the Hell out of Wilt and he got more foul shots than any other player -- and holds the record for making foul shots in a game, points in a game, rebounds in a game, and many other NBA records. He was the most phenomenal athlete in the world at the time. Ali pretended he was going to fight Chamberlain and did TV and public appearances with him hyping their fight. But only Ali knew the fight wasn't happening.

Ali was scared to death of Wilt and would NOT sign the contract. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mF57P1uUG0s

[IKSRTFO]

I don't want to get into a long debate here but" VITALI DID NOT beat LENNOX.

What would or could of happened is no more than saying what would happen in Fury Wlad 2 if it ever happens.

Would Douglas beat Tyson if the corner had an enswell and ice pack.

Byrd beat Vitali because his body would let him finish the fight that's the way it goes.

Its been 13 years buts it time to let it go, no matter how you spin it Lennox Lewis the last great heavyweight of his generation beat the best heavyweight of this generation. Since 2003 no heavyweight has emerged as good as Lennox.

Any objective assessment of achievement would rate Lewis the best heavyweight since 1999.

Bullshlt... Vitali Klitschko landed many more punches than Lewis did in their fight... he also landed the best punches of the fight in the first 2 rounds... He led on ALL SCORECARD ALL THE WAY even after he was blinded by the cuts... and he was slashed by a flagrant thumb strike and palm rake (fouls) and the fight should have gone to the scorecards.. Plus, Lewis was knocked out twice with one shot each.. Klitschko was never behind on points in any fight, and has a higher KO ratio and winning percentage than Lewis has... even though he took 4 years off in his prime to rehab his Kickboxing injured legs... He still ended up with more amateur and professional fights than Lewis had.

He lost though. And it wasn't a robbery neither.

[orbtastic]

Vitali was behind on points against Hide.

[elmersalsa]

I don't want to get into a long debate here but" VITALI DID NOT beat LENNOX.

What would or could of happened is no more than saying what would happen in Fury Wlad 2 if it ever happens.

Would Douglas beat Tyson if the corner had an enswell and ice pack.

Byrd beat Vitali because his body would let him finish the fight that's the way it goes.

Its been 13 years buts it time to let it go, no matter how you spin it Lennox Lewis the last great heavyweight of his generation beat the best heavyweight of this generation. Since 2003 no heavyweight has emerged as good as Lennox.

Any objective assessment of achievement would rate Lewis the best heavyweight since 1999.

Don't bother. When asked to present credible evidence for his claims, he gave none. He thinks Wilt Chamberlain would beat Muhammad Ali with only minimal boxing training.

Minimal boxing training is NOT what was planned... A massively intense 6-month training camp was planned, with a number of top coaches and boxers volunteering to help... What is known is that Chamberlain had phenomenal strength, speed, balance, athletic ability and endurance... He led the NBA in minutes played year after year while dominating the game on both ends of the court... In Basketball you play 48 minutes 82 times a year... and then the playoffs start for a possible 28 more games... Most pro boxers never have 82 fights in their entre careers.. Most NBA players see more competitive action in one season than boxers see in their entire careers.. Wilt saw the most action of any player because the other team's focus was on stopping him any way they could.. They fouled the Hell out of Wilt and he got more foul shots than any other player -- and holds the record for making foul shots in a game, points in a game, rebounds in a game, and many other NBA records. He was the most phenomenal athlete in the world at the time. Ali pretended he was going to fight Chamberlain and did TV and public appearances with him hyping their fight. But only Ali knew the fight wasn't happening.

Ali was scared to death of Wilt and would NOT sign the contract. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mF57P1uUG0s

Even if The Greatest would've train for three years, he would not beat the great Wilt Chamberlain in one on one basketball.

[Woldemar]

Sung Kil Moon

Gilberto Roman
Nana Yaw Konadu x2
Hilario Zapata
Kenji Matsumura
Greg Richardson

Nana Yaw Konadu

Gilberto Roman
Veerpahol Sahaprom
Daourung Chuwatana
Steve Muchoki
Cesar Polanco

[Tom Moore]

I don't want to get into a long debate here but" VITALI DID NOT beat LENNOX.

What would or could of happened is no more than saying what would happen in Fury Wlad 2 if it ever happens.

Would Douglas beat Tyson if the corner had an enswell and ice pack.

Byrd beat Vitali because his body would let him finish the fight that's the way it goes.

Its been 13 years buts it time to let it go, no matter how you spin it Lennox Lewis the last great heavyweight of his generation beat the best heavyweight of this generation. Since 2003 no heavyweight has emerged as good as Lennox.

Any objective assessment of achievement would rate Lewis the best heavyweight since 1999.

Bullshlt... Vitali Klitschko landed many more punches than Lewis did in their fight... he also landed the best punches of the fight in the first 2 rounds... He led on ALL SCORECARD ALL THE WAY even after he was blinded by the cuts... and he was slashed by a flagrant thumb strike and palm rake (fouls) and the fight should have gone to the scorecards.. Plus, Lewis was knocked out twice with one shot each.. Klitschko was never behind on points in any fight, and has a higher KO ratio and winning percentage than Lewis has... even though he took 4 years off in his prime to rehab his Kickboxing injured legs... He still ended up with more amateur and professional fights than Lewis had.

The ko and win% aren't really relevant to a discussion of an individual fight. Neither is the amount of fights.

The points aren't really relevant in this case either- he got punched a lot, an injury occurred due to this, the doc examined him and it was ruled he wasn't in a fit state to continue, so the fight was stopped and he lost. End of story.

[Cutman Scabbers]

Sung Kil Moon

Gilberto Roman
Nana Yaw Konadu x2
Hilario Zapata
Kenji Matsumura
Greg Richardson

Nana Yaw Konadu

Gilberto Roman
Veerpahol Sahaprom
Daourung Chuwatana
Steve Muchoki
Cesar Polanco

Nice ones. How about:

Pongsaklek Wonjongkam

Malcolm Tunacao
Daisuke Naito
Tomonobu Shimizu
Koki Kameda
Suriyan Sor Rungvisai (now Kaikanha)


Daniel Zaragoza

Carlos Zarate
Paul Banke
Kiyoshi Hatanaka
Joichiro Tatsuyoshi
Wayne McCullough


Joichiro Tatsuyoshi

Greg Richardson
Victor Rabanales
Silimongkol Singwancha
Paulie Ayala
Saen Sor Ploenchit


Naseem Hamed

Tom Johnson
Kevin Kelley
Wilfredo Vasquez
Wayne McCullough
Vuyani Bungu


Nonito Donaire

Vic Darchinyan
Fernando Montiel
Omar Andres Narvaez
Toshiaki Nishioka
Jorge Arce

[Cutman Scabbers]

and now, with last night's win, Hozumi Hasegawa is one win away

(if he'd beaten Fernando Montiel, Jhonny Gonzalez or Kiko Martinez, he'd have it)


Veeraphol Sahaprom
Simpiwe Vetyeka
Juan Carlos Burgos
Hugo Ruiz

[Ruthless-RKO]

Bump!