Porter is the only good opponent that Brook has beaten and he only won that fight narrowly.Counter-puncher wrote:stop exaggerating, you drama queen
nobody on this occasion said either that he was amazingly talented or skilled- more so than Murray, certainly, but then Murray is mediocre where talent is concerned.
Horse wrote:
Murray is far above mediocre as far as talent is concerned.
Beat Porter more easily than Thurman did..... Murray doesn't have a world class win. Murray is mediocre just look at what Groves did to himHorse wrote:Porter is the only good opponent that Brook has beaten and he only won that fight narrowly.Counter-puncher wrote:stop exaggerating, you drama queen
nobody on this occasion said either that he was amazingly talented or skilled- more so than Murray, certainly, but then Murray is mediocre where talent is concerned.
Brook's 'skills' have generally only been displayed at a relatively low level.
Murray is far above mediocre as far as talent is concerned.
Such a low quality response should be beneath you, Counter-puncher.Counter-puncher wrote:which is why he has all those wins against top opponents like, umm. Nick Blackwell
Ketchel wrote:Do people forget what Murray did to Martinez in Argentina? That was a world class win in all but name. The Groves fight proved he is no super middleweight. He should move back down, challenge and beat BJ Saunders then defend against Eubank Jr.
Martinez was in serious decline by thenKetchel wrote:Do people forget what Murray did to Martinez in Argentina? That was a world class win in all but name. The Groves fight proved he is no super middleweight. He should move back down, challenge and beat BJ Saunders then defend against Eubank Jr.
I thought Thurman did a better job on Porter than Brook did.Switch hitter wrote:Beat Porter more easily than Thurman did..... Murray doesn't have a world class win. Murray is mediocre just look at what Groves did to him
My apologies I should have referred to his other top quality wins, like Bursak, or KhomitskyHorse wrote:Such a low quality response should be beneath you, Counter-puncher.Counter-puncher wrote:which is why he has all those wins against top opponents like, umm. Nick Blackwell
But there losses.....Martinez was close but it's still a LHorse wrote:I thought Thurman did a better job on Porter than Brook did.Switch hitter wrote:Beat Porter more easily than Thurman did..... Murray doesn't have a world class win. Murray is mediocre just look at what Groves did to him
Groves is a proper super middleweight, Murray isn't. Brook has never fought anyone like Groves.
Brook looks impressive against mediocre fodder.
Martin Murray's (black) & Kell Brook's (red) top 10 best results:
Sergio Gabriel Martinez - (Lost)
Shawn Porter
Felix Sturm - (Draw)
Arthur Abraham - (Lost)
Gennady Golovkin - (Lost)
Vyacheslav Senchenko
Rafal Jackiewicz
Frankie Gavin
Carson Jones I
Matthew Hatton
Ionut Dan Ion
Lovemore Ndou
Max Bursak
Michael Jennings
Kevin Bizier
Nick Blackwell
Sergey Khomitsky I
Sergey Khomitsky II
George Groves - (Lost)
Danny Butler
Murray's fought the better opposition, he's proven his ability at a higher level than Brook has. Let's see what Golovkin does to Brook.
......and the 2nd Jones fight was a good winSwitch hitter wrote:But there losses.....Martinez was close but it's still a LHorse wrote:I thought Thurman did a better job on Porter than Brook did.Switch hitter wrote:Beat Porter more easily than Thurman did..... Murray doesn't have a world class win. Murray is mediocre just look at what Groves did to him
Groves is a proper super middleweight, Murray isn't. Brook has never fought anyone like Groves.
Brook looks impressive against mediocre fodder.
Martin Murray's (black) & Kell Brook's (red) top 10 best results:
Sergio Gabriel Martinez - (Lost)
Shawn Porter
Felix Sturm - (Draw)
Arthur Abraham - (Lost)
Gennady Golovkin - (Lost)
Vyacheslav Senchenko
Rafal Jackiewicz
Frankie Gavin
Carson Jones I
Matthew Hatton
Ionut Dan Ion
Lovemore Ndou
Max Bursak
Michael Jennings
Kevin Bizier
Nick Blackwell
Sergey Khomitsky I
Sergey Khomitsky II
George Groves - (Lost)
Danny Butler
Murray's fought the better opposition, he's proven his ability at a higher level than Brook has. Let's see what Golovkin does to Brook.
Shame on you.Counter-puncher wrote:My apologies I should have referred to his other top quality wins, like Bursak, or Khomitsky
Switch hitter wrote:But there losses.....Martinez was close but it's still a L
No, it wasn't.Switch hitter wrote:......and the 2nd Jones fight was a good win
I'm not agreeing with Horse regarding Murray but Thurman hardly clinched against Porter which made it a tougher affair. Brook was holding a lot on the other hand.Switch hitter wrote:Beat Porter more easily than Thurman did..... Murray doesn't have a world class win. Murray is mediocre just look at what Groves did to himHorse wrote:Porter is the only good opponent that Brook has beaten and he only won that fight narrowly.Counter-puncher wrote:stop exaggerating, you drama queen
nobody on this occasion said either that he was amazingly talented or skilled- more so than Murray, certainly, but then Murray is mediocre where talent is concerned.
Brook's 'skills' have generally only been displayed at a relatively low level.
Murray is far above mediocre as far as talent is concerned.
Martinez's knees hadn't recovered from his knee surgery after the Murray fight against Cotto.Boxerbeetle wrote:Oh good, another Murray debate where Horse stands alone, we've not had one for a while.
Murray may have been unlucky against Martinez, but look how Martinez subsequently performed against Cotto. The man's knees were shot to bits. A genuine world class MW would have come back from Argentina with the belt.
With bad knee problems, could not throw the power shots anymore.CaptainSpacerod wrote:Martinez was in serious decline by thenKetchel wrote:Do people forget what Murray did to Martinez in Argentina? That was a world class win in all but name. The Groves fight proved he is no super middleweight. He should move back down, challenge and beat BJ Saunders then defend against Eubank Jr.
100% correct the left hook right hand smith landed is very concerning, if GGG does that it's party over imoAnzi wrote:A ten second clip is enough to see a weakness or fault in a boxer.nitro5912 wrote:Wouldn't read anything into a 1 min clip
MightyWarrior wrote:Bit risky innit, both in 2 of the biggest UK fights of the year, swapping punches a few weeks out...
I'm praying no injuries scupper anything in the run up.
And the fact Liam walks through Kel's punches means zip, clearly they will both be holding back big time with millions on the line.
Look how he performed in the fight before, arguably his best career win. Murray was six months after Chavez Jr, Cotto was over a year later.Boxerbeetle wrote:Oh good, another Murray debate where Horse stands alone, we've not had one for a while.
Murray may have been unlucky against Martinez, but look how Martinez subsequently performed against Cotto. The man's knees were shot to bits. A genuine world class MW would have come back from Argentina with the belt.