Muhammad Ali vrs Henry Cooper II/50th anniversary

[Caractacus]

For the (undisputed) Heavyweight Championship of the World.

21.May.1966 Arsenal Stadium ,Highbury London (England)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JhOo5Vh_2iM

[Caractacus]

This fight was not shown live in Europe or even shown the next day,but it
was heard live on BBC radio broadcast over there.
It was shown live in America via the Early Bird satellite
(the first live fight that was ever beamed from overseas)
It was shown LIVE on ABC's Wide World of Sports
with Howard Cossell and Chris Schenkal.
However I cant remember if I have ever seen the ABC broadcast.
Does it differ from the Rank Organisation film of it,from a different angle ?

[evrenb]

This fight was not shown live in Europe or even shown the next day,but it
was heard live on BBC radio broadcast over there.
It was shown live in America via the Early Bird satellite
(the first live fight that was ever beamed from overseas)
It was shown LIVE on ABC's Wide World of Sports
with Howard Cossell and Chris Schenkal.
However I cant remember if I have ever seen the ABC broadcast.
Does it differ from the Rank Organisation film of it,from a different angle ?

Yes the live version is very different from the UK filmed version. Different angle, noise, commentary...

[Caractacus]

and it was also broadcast by ABC in colour right ?

[Caractacus]

BTW It was actually a clash of heads (and not a punch)that started Sir Henry leaking heavily in this one if you study the footage closely enough.

[Caractacus]

also (if I'm not mistaken) this was the first Boxing telecast to show a "slow-motion-replay" ?

[SteveO]

BTW It was actually a clash of heads (and not a punch)that started Sir Henry leaking heavily in this one if you study the footage closely enough.

Sorry to disappoint you but it was a punch. Have another look at the footage - with your glasses on.

[Caractacus]

at what minute/second into the fight do you see it ?

[Caractacus]

BTW It was actually a clash of heads (and not a punch)that started Sir Henry leaking heavily in this one if you study the footage closely enough.

It certainly was NOT a clash of heads. I was at Highbury that night, and although we were disappointed there was no suggestion of a clash of heads, or any other kind of mishap. Ali just outclassed our guy, and opened him up like a can of tomatoes with punches. Plain and simple, the best man won, legitimately.

There was no suggestion as to a clash of heads ?
are you Bleedin serious ?
as me old nan use to say back in the day (circa 1966) "Fiddle Faddle "

You just would'nt happen to be Steve Bunce would you now ?) (born 1962)

[Caractacus]

and here is a bonus bit of trivia for you blokes.

This was the first Heavyweight title fight held in Britain
since Tommy burns defended it against Gunner Moir back in 1907.
(at the National Sporting club,Covent Garden,London)

[Caractacus]

Just thought I would add a little flavour to this thread..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5he8oZ_9AE

[Caractacus]

This thread is about the rematch for the Heavyweight Championship of the World.
BTW Sir Henry Cooper did claim after the fight was stopped that it was a clash of heads in that one.

[keithmoonhangover]

My late father was ringside for this one.

[Caractacus]

Check out this article then.


https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid= ... 1155&hl=en

[Caractacus]

but then check at 17:31 into this clip.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JhOo5Vh_2iM

[keithmoonhangover]

My late father was ringside for this one.

Though NOT at ringside, I was also in attendance, and far from being in the bleachers. Also at 19 years of age my eyes were more than capable of digesting the action.

My dad went down without a ticket. He and his friend bought cheap seats and my dad managed to talk his way all the way to the ringside.

[dalcumly]

Immediately the fight ended Jim Wicks tried to suggest to the ref that Henry had been butted. It didn't go anywhere because everyone at the time knew it was a vicious right hander from Ali right onto Cooper's susceptible left eyebrow which caused the damage. What might be more interesting was how the fight was being scored up to that point. I personally had it dead even or perhaps Cooper just edging it.

[Caractacus]

Check out this article then.


https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid= ... 1155&hl=en

Your own article states that despite Cooper's protestations it was NOT a clash of heads that caused his eye to become opened up like a can of tomatoes. So i don't know what your point is. This after all is the same Cooper who claimed that the 64 seconds between rounds 4 and 5 in 1963 were in fact more than 2 minutes. Nice guy " Enery " but NOT to be taken too seriously when he whinged about his defeats.

It wasnt my article,as I did not write it.
I just linked it because there indeed was a question of clashing heads.
Just because they said there wasnt ,that doesnt mean it.
They may have been liquored up and brought in some 'good time girls"
to distract them from what they were viewing.
Henry Cooper was a gentlemen,he then wasnt going to call them low down yellow paid off liars.
was he now ?

[Caractacus]

Immediately the fight ended Jim Wicks tried to suggest to the ref that Henry had been butted. It didn't go anywhere because everyone at the time knew it was a vicious right hander from Ali right onto Cooper's susceptible left eyebrow which caused the damage. What might be more interesting was how the fight was being scored up to that point. I personally had it dead even or perhaps Cooper just edging it.

But did you examine the Rank Organisation fim footage closely at 17:31 ?
Maybe both Jim Wicks and Henry Cooper were correct.

[Caractacus]

Please check at about 17:31 into this clip again.
and tell us what YOU see .
can you say KLONK !
(and Sir Henry immediatly shakes his head a split second after the the head clash)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JhOo5Vh_2iM

[Caractacus]

Please check at about 17:31 into this clip again.
and tell us what YOU see .
can you say KLONK !
(and Sir Henry immediatly shakes his head a split second after the the head clash)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JhOo5Vh_2iM

Yeah, seen it, heard your version. All nonsense. Now you try looking at 17.26 at the slashing right hand Ali hits Cooper with bang on the left eye, or how about 17.18 where the commentator says " a left followed by a right in rapid succession, in what must be the inevitable end "?

I don't suppose these count, because they don't suit your anti Ali agenda.

Hey,that was not a live ringside commentery on that clip ,but a voice over in post film production.

[Caractacus]

This fight was not shown live in Europe or even shown the next day,but it
was heard live on BBC radio broadcast over there.
It was shown live in America via the Early Bird satellite
(the first live fight that was ever beamed from overseas)
It was shown LIVE on ABC's Wide World of Sports
with Howard Cossell and Chris Schenkal.
However I cant remember if I have ever seen the ABC broadcast.
Does it differ from the Rank Organisation film of it,from a different angle ?

Yes the live version is very different from the UK filmed version. Different angle, noise, commentary...

Hey evrenb,do you have a recording of
the live BBC Radio broadcast of Muhammad Ali vrs Henry Cooper II
in your collection as well ?
I truley believe that all existing angles of a title fight that are available for study are important for examination and future reference.

[Caractacus]

Here is how the Associated Press Scoreboard had the title fight going into the 6th round.


Round 1 -Cooper
Round 2-Cooper
Round 3- Even
Round 4-Clay
Round 5-Clay

[Caractacus]

Man, are you nuts ?
That right hand that Ali landed was at 7:29 of the clip
but Cooper did not shake his head from a cut until a full four seconds later at 7:32 of the clip,
so why would there have been a delay to his reaction ?
It would have been split second reaction to a three inch gash (which required twelve stitches) .

[Caractacus]

Here is what Henry Cooper had said shortly after the fight concerning the deep 3 inch cut on his left brow.

"Clay certainly pulled me on to it,
It was just one of those things,for I do not think he is a dirty fighter at all"