Gennady Golovkin's Resume Since 2011

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Kalan wrote:
Enlightened-One wrote:As we’re less than ten days away from Gennady Golovkin’s next world title defence, I thought I’d perform a statistical review of his career for the last five years, using a combination of the Ring Magazine's divisional ratings, coupled with BoxRec’s resume information.

I used the “WayBackMachine” internet archive website to gather the Ring Magazine divisional ranking of each opponent at the time of their contest against Golovkin. Also, to simplify things, I rated their champ as the number one ranked fighter in the 160lb division and everybody else accordingly.

Note: This post is not meant to undermine Golovkin’s feats, but to help you evaluate his achievements and his dominant performances in their true context, based on the calibre of the opposition he has been facing. So please don’t get too upset about the things I’ve written, because everything I’ve stated is factually-correct, based on information supplied by reliable third-party sources.

My comments are in the context of the facts of each world title contender at the time they entered the ring against Golovkin:

Date: 23/04/16 Opponent: Dominic Wade Divisional Ring Magazine Rating: Unranked
A lightly-regarded opponent whose only accomplishment was scoring a controversial decision victory over a 41 year old shot version of Sam Soliman

Date: 17/10/15 Opponent: David Lemieux Divisional Ring Magazine Rating: 5
Was the IBF champion (after competing for the vacant belt and having never defended his crown), a former light middleweight, at the time of the GGG fight, had suffered two losses on his record, with one of them being a stoppage defeat to Marco Antonio Rubio (who himself was KO'd inside two rounds by Golovkin)

Date: 16/05/15 Opponent: Willie Monroe Jr Divisional Ring Magazine Rating: Unranked
A former light middleweight that was lightly-regarded and was untested, having never previously competed against a top-ten world-rated middleweight prior to the Golovkin bout

Date: 21/02/15 Opponent: Martin Murray Divisional Ring Magazine Rating: 7
A two-time failed world title challenger, with only one loss on his resume prior to facing Golovkin

Date: 18/10/14 Opponent: Marco Antonio Rubio Divisional Ring Magazine Rating: 8
A former welterweight and two-time failed world title challenger, with six losses on his resume, that had previously been dominated or stopped by Chavez Jr. and Pavlik

Date: 26/07/14 Opponent: Daniel Geale Divisional Ring Magazine Rating: 3
A former world middleweight champion that had already tasted defeat against Golovkin in the amateurs and lost his world title in his penultimate bout prior to facing GGG

Date: 01/02/14 Opponent: Osumanu Adama Divisional Ring Magazine Rating: Unranked
One-time failed world title challenger, a former light middleweight and a lightly-regarded opponent

Date: 02/11/13 Opponent: Curtis Stevens Divisional Ring Magazine Rating: 11
An anonimous fighter that had already lost three times prior to facing Golovkin, one of them to the lightly regarded Jessie Brinkley

Date: 29/06/13 Opponent: Matthew Macklin Divisional Ring Magazine Rating: 7
A former welterweight, one time failed world title challenger and entered the ring against GGG having lost two of his previous three bouts

Date: 30/03/13 Opponent: Nobuhiro Ishida Divisional Ring Magazine Rating: Unranked
A former light middleweight that had failed to win ten of his bouts, entered the ring against Golovkin having tasted defeat in his previous two outings

Date: 19/01/13 Opponent: Gabriel Rosado Divisional Ring Magazine Rating: Unranked
A former light middleweight, having lost five fights, that had never previously engaged in either a 160lb bout nor a world title fight

Date: 01/09/12 Opponent: Grzegorz Proksa Divisional Ring Magazine Rating: 10
Was defeated in one of his previous three bouts immediately prior to facing Golovkin and was also a former light middleweight

Date: 12/05/12 Opponent: Makoto Fuchigami Divisional Ring Magazine Rating: Unranked

An anonimous fighter that had already lost six times

Date: 09/12/11 Opponent: Lajuan Simon Divisional Ring Magazine Rating: Unranked
A failed world title challenger that had lost three of his previous five bouts at the time he fought Golovkin… and had even lost his previous bout immediately prior to facing GGG

Date: 17/06/11 Opponent: Kassim Ouma Divisional Ring Magazine Rating: Unranked
A former welterweight contender and 154lb world champion that had tasted defeat in five of his previous seven bouts at the time he entered the ring against Golovkin

Golovkin’s next opponent is 12-year veteran, whose competes as a welterweight and has never scored a clear-cut decisive victory over a top-ten world class 147lb-er.

Thoughts? :-?
1. Dominic Wade was his UNDEFEATED MANDATORY CHALLENGER and he crushed him in 2 rounds.

2. David Lemieux was 34-2 and undefeated for the previous 4 years. GGG dominated and stopped him in in a World Middleweight Title Unification Fight.

3. Willie Monroe was a MANDATROY CHALLENGER. A slick boxing southpaw who'd never been dropped or stopped.. GGG dropped him 3 X and stopped him

4. Marco Rubio went the distance with Chavez and was a rugged campaigner who came in way over the weight limit... GGG stopped him in 4 minutes.

5. Martin Murray decked Sergio Martinez twice while suffering his only previous loss on a bogus decision in Argentina. He was 29-1-1, and suffered his the only knockdowns and only stoppage of his career at the hands of Gennady Golokin,

6. Daniel Geale was a very pathetic, scared ass challenger... but a former World Champion who was a replacement for Chavez, who reneged on a GGG fight.

7. Adama was a terrible challenger like Geale... but you have to fight somebody when the top Middleweights are ducking you.

8. Stevens was a very tough and dangerous puncher, but not a good boxer... However 2 big bombers made for an interesting fight...

9. Macklin went 11 rounds with Sergio Martinez and decked him... Getting rid of Macklin quickly and easily supplied some contrast...

10, Nobuhiro Ishida had never been stopped and went the distance with Dmitry Pirog.. Crushing him in 3 rounds and putting him into IC provided contrast. Since the undefeated Pirog, who knocked Daniel Jacobs out, pulled out of a signed and sealed fight with GGG.

11. Gabe Rosado was another pathetic challenger... You fight some of these if the best Middleweights continue to duck you.

12. Grzegorz Proksa was 28-1 and never stopped... He was a great challenger on paper, but easily crushed by GGG.

13. Makoto Fuchigami is one of those challengers you fight to stay busy when Sergio Martinez refuses to fight you.

14.Lajuan Simon is another guy fight because he's willing -- and you can't get better fighters into the ring.

15.Kassim Ouma had not been stopped for over 11 years... going the distance with Jermain Taylor and Vanes Martirosyan, and beating Marco Rubio. Golovkin beat him up and stopped him after spending 21 hours in flights and waiting in airports for delayed flights... He was pretty weary for the fight.

16. Golovkin's next opponent, Kell Brook, 36-0, is the World's most avoided and feared Champion at 147. He's flew over 6,000 miles to beat Shawn Porter in America and beat several mandatory challengers.. and he's now a full fledged natural Middleweight who weighed a solid 176 for his 30-day weigh-in
Finally, someone reviews the original post in my thread and makes a concerted effort to comment on GGG's opposition.

Well done and thanks for your detailed response.

You've raised some interesting points, which I'll try to comment on later, but your reply (superficially-speaking) appears quite impressive! :TU:
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He's the best undisputed .
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Kalan wrote:1. Dominic Wade was his UNDEFEATED MANDATORY CHALLENGER and he crushed him in 2 rounds.
Whilst I appreciate the fact that Golovkin was obliged to face him, nobody rated him and his credentials were lacking.
Kalan wrote:2. David Lemieux was 34-2 and undefeated for the previous 4 years. GGG dominated and stopped him in in a World Middleweight Title Unification Fight.
What you’ve stated is technically correct, but his resume was relatively weak.
Kalan wrote:3. Willie Monroe was a MANDATROY CHALLENGER. A slick boxing southpaw who'd never been dropped or stopped.. GGG dropped him 3 X and stopped him
I’m not sure if this is technically correct or not, since Monroe Jr. is such an anonymous fighter, that his bouts haven’t really been covered by the media. If it is true that Monroe Jr. had never been floored, is this such an accomplishment for an unheralded fighter with a weak resume?
Kalan wrote:4. Marco Rubio went the distance with Chavez and was a rugged campaigner who came in way over the weight limit... GGG stopped him in 4 minutes.
I can’t give Golovkin any credit for this victory, because if Andre Ward or Canelo faced an opponent of Rubio’s ilk, they’d have been lambasted by the media and fight fans.
Kalan wrote:5. Martin Murray decked Sergio Martinez twice while suffering his only previous loss on a bogus decision in Argentina. He was 29-1-1, and suffered his the only knockdowns and only stoppage of his career at the hands of Gennady Golokin,
This was a good win for Golovkin.
Kalan wrote:6. Daniel Geale was a very pathetic, scared ass challenger... but a former World Champion who was a replacement for Chavez, who reneged on a GGG fight.
Your claim about Geale was correct, but your statement about Chavez Jr. is blatantly inaccurate… to almost preposterous levels.
Kalan wrote:7. Adama was a terrible challenger like Geale
Agreed.
Kalan wrote:8. Stevens was a very tough and dangerous puncher, but not a good boxer... However 2 big bombers made for an interesting fight...
Stevens wasn’t world rated before the Golovkin fight or even after it. He’s simply not a dangerous opponent.
Kalan wrote:9. Macklin went 11 rounds with Sergio Martinez and decked him... Getting rid of Macklin quickly and easily supplied some contrast...
Golovkin faced a smaller, but solid, opponent on a run of poor form.
Kalan wrote:10, Nobuhiro Ishida had never been stopped and went the distance with Dmitry Pirog.. Crushing him in 3 rounds and putting him into IC provided contrast. Since the undefeated Pirog, who knocked Daniel Jacobs out, pulled out of a signed and sealed fight with GGG.
Golovkin cannot be proud of defeating an opponent that has failed to win 33% of his fights.
Kalan wrote:11. Gabe Rosado was another pathetic challenger... You fight some of these if the best Middleweights continue to duck you.
I don't agree with your comment about Rosado, as he was too small rather than being "pathetic", but constantly barking the “ducking” excuse to justify GGG's poor quality opposition is dishonest. K2 don’t invest in their charge.
Kalan wrote:12. Grzegorz Proksa was 28-1 and never stopped... He was a great challenger on paper, but easily crushed by GGG.
He was a fairly solid opponent on paper and was barely regarded as one of the top 10 160lb-ers.
Kalan wrote:13. Makoto Fuchigami is one of those challengers you fight to stay busy when Sergio Martinez refuses to fight you.
Stop using the “ducking” excuse the justify weak opposition. K2 don’t invest in their charge.
Kalan wrote:14.Lajuan Simon is another guy fight because he's willing -- and you can't get better fighters into the ring.
Stop using the “ducking” excuse the justify weak opposition. K2 don’t invest in their charge.
Kalan wrote:15.Kassim Ouma had not been stopped for over 11 years... going the distance with Jermain Taylor and Vanes Martirosyan, and beating Marco Rubio. Golovkin beat him up and stopped him after spending 21 hours in flights and waiting in airports for delayed flights... He was pretty weary for the fight.
Interesting story but Ouma was a terrible opponent on an awful run of form.
Kalan wrote:16. Golovkin's next opponent, Kell Brook, 36-0, is the World's most avoided and feared Champion at 147
Your claim about Brook being the “World's most avoided and feared Champion at 147” is pure fiction.
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Wow what a great job you've done putting a negative spin on ggg's career. Can you do canelo next please?
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lazboy wrote:Wow what a great job you've done putting a negative spin on ggg's career. Can you do canelo next please?
Is making fun of Canelo really all you can do to defend GGG?
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BitPlayer wrote:
lazboy wrote:Wow what a great job you've done putting a negative spin on ggg's career. Can you do canelo next please?
Is making fun of Canelo really all you can do to defend GGG?
No.
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This is a GGG hatchet piece. You can't blame a fighter for not fighting top notch guys because they won't fight him. Canelo, Danny Jocobs, Peter Quillan? he'll every last one of Al Haymon's fighters run from GGG like he had Zika virus. You can criticize this fight all you want but the bottom line is Brook is a great fighter and will drop down to 154 after the fight and dominate the division. Of course GGG will stop Brooks but I expect the refereeing and judging to be very one sided so GGG will be fighting Brook as well as the Ref and judges. He has to stop Brook or he risks getting robbed.
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fightseer wrote:This is a GGG hatchet piece. You can't blame a fighter for not fighting top notch guys because they won't fight him. Canelo, Danny Jocobs, Peter Quillan? he'll every last one of Al Haymon's fighters run from GGG like he had Zika virus. You can criticize this fight all you want but the bottom line is Brook is a great fighter and will drop down to 154 after the fight and dominate the division. Of course GGG will stop Brooks but I expect the refereeing and judging to be very one sided so GGG will be fighting Brook as well as the Ref and judges. He has to stop Brook or he risks getting robbed.

I agree with all of this well said. Except that Kell will dominate once he goes to 154, because he ain't beating a couple guys there either. Style match ups with Andrade, Lara are pretty bad.
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lazboy wrote:Wow what a great job you've done putting a negative spin on ggg's career. Can you do canelo next please?
For the record, I’m not a GGG “hater”, in fact I enjoy watching him fight.

The purpose of this thread was to objectively evaluate Golovkin’s resume since 2011, by quoting the information supplied by both The Ring and the BoxRec websites in a parrot-like manner.

I was curious to see how people would react and it was mildly amusing to see people being:
• Really offended by my words, which compelled them to insult me personally
• Embellishing the calibre of some of the “unranked” challengers he has faced, by boldly proclaiming them to be “dangerous”, when they clearly aren't (or weren't)
• Dishonest, by claiming GGG’s resume is on a par with that of Bernard Hopkins’ middleweight title reign
• Dishonest, by constantly barking the commonly-used lazy Lemming-like explanation of “it’s not Golovkin’s fault” excuse, whilst citing the myth that “everyone is too scared to face him

In my mind, Gennady Golovkin's resume is fairly poor for a top-three pound-for-pound rated fighter that has been competing on the world-stage for more than eight years.

That doesn’t mean I dislike the man, it's just that I believe that Universum, K2 and HBO should have done a better job of handling his career.
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It looks like people in UK know who Golovkin is. A square in London is filled with people who came to watch his workout:

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boxing_rocks wrote:It looks like people in UK know who Golovkin is. A square in London is filled with people who came to watch his workout:

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Carl Froch, Kevin Mitchell and Anthony Joshua have all received similar audiences when they held their open-air Covent Garden public work-outs. So it's more likely that the UK crowd were there to see Kell Brook, rather than Gennady Golovkin.

I guess that the tourists in a famous and busy shopping area in London are bound to be curious about the Sky media HGV’s, several TV cameras and a boxing ring staged in a public pedestrian square that is normally frequented by “The Big Issue” vendors and street performers.

In my honest opinion, I suspect that any casual fight fans watching the public work-out spectacle are probably Kell Brook fans, considering only a couple of GGG’s fights have been covered by mainstream broadcasters in the UK (at the horrendnous hour of 5am). So very few of them would know anything about Golovkin, other than the recent and seemingly continuous 24-hour a day SKY Sports hype-building media coverage.
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Golovkin vs Murray was on free tv in the UK in, or close to at least, prime time
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Boxing Prospect wrote:Golovkin vs Murray was on free tv in the UK in, or close to at least, prime time
740K people in the UK watched that bout on Channel Five. I bet you'll struggle to find more of Golovkin's bouts televised live on Mainstream UK TV channels with an impressive audience.

Before the Brook fight was announced, only the die-hard hard-core boxing aficionados in the UK knew anything about GGG. He’s simply not a global superstar, like Tom Loeffler would have you believe.

Again, I’m not trying to be disparaging about Golovkin in any way, instead I am merely stating a blatantly obvious fact.
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740k dwarfs an average Sky Sports show...not sure what you consider mainstream TV here in the UK but boxing isn't usually shown on mainstream tv
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Enlightened-One wrote:So it's more likely that the UK crowd were there to see Kell Brook, rather than Gennady Golovkin.
Of course. There were similar showings for Kell's previous fights, and tickets were sold in minutes too :lol: :lol: :lol:
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boxing_rocks wrote:
Enlightened-One wrote:So it's more likely that the UK crowd were there to see Kell Brook, rather than Gennady Golovkin.
Of course. There were similar showings for Kell's previous fights, and tickets were sold in minutes too :lol: :lol: :lol:
Of course, you're being sarcastic and you are really suggesting that GGG is a global superstar (especially popular in the UK), in the mould of famous music icons like Elvis, Michael Jackson, Prince, Beyonce and the Beatles! :lol:

FFS! :doh:
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Golovkin is not an international super-star YET, but he is a feared exciting unified MW champion. Matchroom clearly did a good job communicating that, as Kell alone is not that popular.
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boxing_rocks wrote:Golovkin is not an international super-star YET.
He might be too old for his fame to crossover to the mainstream.

So what you’ve claimed is possible, but a distinct lack of quality opposition, coupled with GGG having an exclusive contract with a TV network with a dire boxing budget (HBO), as well as his age, may prevent his popularity from increasing much further.
boxing_rocks wrote:...but [GGG] is a feared exciting unified MW champion.
Golovkin is an “exciting unified MW champion”, but I don’t think he’s “feared”. That’s a myth perpetuated by HBO and K2 to justify their inability to fund signature bouts against marquee names.
boxing_rocks wrote:Matchroom clearly did a good job communicating that, as Kell alone is not that popular.
And the penny is finally beginning to drop for you! :TU:

You previously took great offence at my previous claim that there are better promoters than K2, which were capable of progressing Golovkin’s career further, but now you’re seeing a “real” promoter do the job properly.

Similarly, SKY have invested heavily and made a huge commitment to market this bout to the mainstream set of vaguely casual fight fans, as the build-up to this bout is constantly on their sporting channels, as well as their “on demand” services.

Also, the gimmicky open-air public work-outs for all the fighters competing on the GGG-Brook fight card, in a central London venue in one of the capital city’s most popular shopping areas on a summer day, is a sure-fire way to attract huge crowds and justify even more TV and press coverage.

Simply put, the popularity for the Golovkin-Brook contest is all about the work that Matchroom and SKY have invested in this event, because GGG was an anonymous name to casual UK fight fans before his bout with Kell was announced.

There’s no point in pretending that Golovkin is a “global superstar”, when he isn’t, but if a promoter like Matchroom and SKY had worked with him back in 2008 (when he initially arrived on the world stage), then perhaps he may have been by now. Of course, Top Rank, GBP and anyone affiliated to Haymon would have all likely done a better job also.

Like I keep saying, I believe that K2 and HBO could have done a better job at handling GGG’s career than they have done, because it seems to me is they’re trying to justify their poor effort by perpetuating a myth that “none of the big names will face Gennady, because they’re all too scared of him”, which I feel is pure nonsense.
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"Feared" is a myth ??? K2 wasn't supposed to fund a PPV against Canelo or PPV against Eubank, so why did these guys lose their pens?

Of course Matchroom would do a better job promoting a card in the U.K. What a surprise!
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Enlightened-One wrote:
lazboy wrote:Wow what a great job you've done putting a negative spin on ggg's career. Can you do canelo next please?
For the record, I’m not a GGG “hater”, in fact I enjoy watching him fight.

The purpose of this thread was to objectively evaluate Golovkin’s resume since 2011, by quoting the information supplied by both The Ring and the BoxRec websites in a parrot-like manner.

I was curious to see how people would react and it was mildly amusing to see people being:
• Really offended by my words, which compelled them to insult me personally
• Embellishing the calibre of some of the “unranked” challengers he has faced, by boldly proclaiming them to be “dangerous”, when they clearly aren't (or weren't)
• Dishonest, by claiming GGG’s resume is on a par with that of Bernard Hopkins’ middleweight title reign
• Dishonest, by constantly barking the commonly-used lazy Lemming-like explanation of “it’s not Golovkin’s fault” excuse, whilst citing the myth that “everyone is too scared to face him

In my mind, Gennady Golovkin's resume is fairly poor for a top-three pound-for-pound rated fighter that has been competing on the world-stage for more than eight years.

That doesn’t mean I dislike the man, it's just that I believe that Universum, K2 and HBO should have done a better job of handling his career.
I'm glad you were amused and sounds like that was your intention. As for golovkin, as a fan, I hope he gets the big fights he has wanted and in my opinion his popularity is rapidly growing. As for those that may have avoided him, saying so is cautionary. Perhaps they did, perhaps they didn't, blaming the management or anyone is speculative. We can only guess and then comment.
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boxing_rocks wrote:"Feared" is a myth ???
There’s a constant theme about Golovkin’s opponents. They all claimed that they weren’t being paid their worth to face GGG.

There’s a perception that K2 submit low-ball offers and then boldly proclaim “duck” or cite cowardice when their small paydays are subsequently rejected.

If you review Golovkin’s purses prior to the Lemieux bout, in the context of his HBO viewership figures, you’ll quickly realise that the Kazakh wasn’t being paid his worth either (in comparison to other big name fighters).

Somehow, the media reported that K2 were offering Billy Joe Saunders $4m to defend his world title against Golovkin, but the Brit claimed the amount being offered was only $1.5m, a sum he could have earned elsewhere.

Saunders' deserves a better payday to make it worth his while, financially, to risk losing his unbeaten record and the last remaining world title belt that GGG does not own.
boxing_rocks wrote:K2 wasn't supposed to fund a PPV against Canelo or PPV against Eubank
Why not? Does K2 not promote events and use their capital to fund the resulting costs? What job does K2 fulfil if the promotion for all of Golovkin;s bouts is entirely the responsibility of the challengers promoter?
boxing_rocks wrote: or PPV against Eubank , so why did these guys lose their pens?
In terms of Eubank, the payday was agreed, Eubank Sr. wanted too much control (as explained by Loeffler and Hearn), so the deadline passed and Brook took the bout. In fact, Eddie insists that Eubank Jr. may be Golovkin’s next opponent after the Brook bout.
boxing_rocks wrote:Of course Matchroom would do a better job promoting a card in the U.K. What a surprise!
You need to read what I’ve written before you submit a sarcastic response, because it undermines your intellectual competency.
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lazboy wrote:I'm glad you were amused and sounds like that was your intention.
That wasn’t my aim, but I wasn’t entirely shocked about the responses I received, but I am surprised at the severity of some of the replies.
lazboy wrote:As for golovkin, as a fan, I hope he gets the big fights he has wanted and in my opinion his popularity is rapidly growing.
I agree, but he’s clearly not as popular as Pacquiao, Cotto, Canelo… and perhaps Mayweather Jr. His popularity is rising, for sure, but his age may prevent him from achieving the commercial success that those guys achieve.
lazboy wrote:As for those that may have avoided him, saying so is cautionary.
Saying so is dishonest, given Abel Sanchez’s inconsistent claims. I also think that on a few occasions, Loeffler and Golovkin have made a few questionable comments to the media also.
lazboy wrote:Perhaps they did, perhaps they didn't, blaming the management or anyone is speculative. We can only guess and then comment.
My opinion is based on the fight purse stats, HBO viewership figures enjoyed by Golovkin and other “big name” fighters, as well as the consistency of the claims made by the fighters that rejected bouts with GGG. I don’t assume a derogatory stance based on nothing but pure gut instinct or a Lemming-like belief held by the community.

You’re right though, my stance is speculative, but I guess it’s more scientific than those that prefer to assume things… though I’m not suggesting that you do, instead, I am merely commenting on general GGG-fandom sentiment.
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Enlightened-One wrote:
lazboy wrote:I'm glad you were amused and sounds like that was your intention.
That wasn’t my aim, but I wasn’t entirely shocked about the responses I received, but I am surprised at the severity of some of the replies.
lazboy wrote:As for golovkin, as a fan, I hope he gets the big fights he has wanted and in my opinion his popularity is rapidly growing.
I agree, but he’s clearly not as popular as Pacquiao, Cotto, Canelo… and perhaps Mayweather Jr. His popularity is rising, for sure, but his age may prevent him from achieving the commercial success that those guys achieve.
lazboy wrote:As for those that may have avoided him, saying so is cautionary.
Saying so is dishonest, given Abel Sanchez’s inconsistent claims. I also think that on a few occasions, Loeffler and Golovkin have made a few questionable comments to the media also.
lazboy wrote:Perhaps they did, perhaps they didn't, blaming the management or anyone is speculative. We can only guess and then comment.
My opinion is based on the fight purse stats, HBO viewership figures enjoyed by Golovkin and other “big name” fighters, as well as the consistency of the claims made by the fighters that rejected bouts with GGG. I don’t assume a derogatory stance based on nothing but pure gut instinct or a Lemming-like belief held by the community.

You’re right though, my stance is speculative, but I guess it’s more scientific than those that prefer to assume things… though I’m not suggesting that you do, instead, I am merely commenting on general GGG-fandom sentiment.
Fair enough. I don't have a problem with your response. To me, I want this person to achieve a greater popularity. As you said your not a hater, but being "hated" comes part and parcel with popularity, look at may weather for example. The more we are talking about him the better and the better for boxing imo.
Enlightened-One
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Re: Gennady Golovkin's Resume Since 2011

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lazboy wrote:Fair enough. I don't have a problem with anything you've just written. To me, I want this person to achieve a greater popularity. As you said your not a hater, but being "hated" comes part and parcel with popularity, look at may weather for example. The more we are talking about him the better and the better for boxing imo.
Thanks for your mature reply. It’s pretty rare to receive one of these on this forum.

I am a Golovkin fan, but for many people, you’re automatically regarded as a “hater” for being objective and identifying issues, even those that are blatantly obvious.

To be honest, we’re all human and prone to making mistakes, so I don’t judge GGG for some of his inconsistencies, but I do question why people feel compelled to defend him at all cost, by flatly denying, ignoring or even fabricating fictional scenarios to justify any of his minor misdemeanours.
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Enlightened-One wrote: To be honest, we’re all human and prone to making mistakes, so I don’t judge GGG for some of his inconsistencies
That is so f*cking laughable. Golovkin is one of top 5 in the world in what he does, and you are nobody. He is so lucky that you are not judging him :lol: :lol: :lol:
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