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bollox wrote:Don't know him but he seems to be similar to Sakaraia Ve from Fiji in that he fought and beat quite a few of our fighters
Recently purchased a Fighter mag with Beni on the cover.

Had not heard of Ve.... sadly he lost everything at one stage for tax evasion..... sounds like he had the goods as a boxer though.... one of his fights is on youtube.... will watch it sometime this w/end....

http://fijisun.com.fj/2013/05/08/sakara ... -the-pain/
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Russell Walker passed away?
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BrianSchofield wrote:Russell Walker passed away?
There was a poster on "Oz boxers of the past" last year saying he was a cousin of Russel Walker, & that he had died in 2014.
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There is a book out on the life and boxing career of the great Henry Nissen

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I have already read the book and would recommend it :TU:
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Porky and WHO???

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Hints can be supplied if necessary :OhYes:
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Like a Boss wrote:There is a book out on the life and boxing career of the great Henry Nissen

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I have already read the book and would recommend it :TU:
Gave Henry, or could have neen Leon a lift òne night when his car broke down. He was a genuine top ten in his day. Something that would translate into titles today. Hope he is well
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Henry has been working with the underprivileged, for decades. Good on him
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Nice little interview with Noel Kunde on the tpoic of Lionel Rose.....

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p04t8k66
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Beltane wrote:I remember Ron Beekin having a lot of trouble gaining fights at the time and attempts were made to get him to meet Tony Mundine but nothing eventuated.

Mahanga traded off his KO win over Tony (Tony was well ahead on points late into the fight but was king hit and counted out) for years on TV Ringside and anyone with good boxing skills ran rings around Kahu.
Geeze 'king hit' sort of means hit when not expecting it like a voward punch. I can't remember it that way. It was just flush. And i remember Tony jumping up at 9 1/2 like he was fresh as a daisy. But too late im afraid
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Mahanga caught Tony with a beautiful right. It matters little who is ahead on points when a punch like that gets through the guard. :TU:
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I’ll add to the fighters of the past discussion. I just watched Victor Oganov fight. I thought he would have retired at the same time I did. Sad to see him trying to make a quid at HW.

I remember when he was 20-0 (20ko), probably at MW. The license board should probably look at fighters of the past with a little more caution.
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bollox wrote: 18 Nov 2015, 03:02 A bit about Jack

http://adb.anu.edu.au/biography/hardwic ... rnest-6560
My father and other men who saw Jack Carroll fight and knew his circumstances said the most astonishing thing about him was that he had chalky bones and frequently broke his hands.
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Bit like Jeff Fenech in a way
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Hi I'm hoping somebody here can help me as BoxRec currently has the wrong information surrounding my father.
My Dad is an ex boxer by the name of Johnny Woodruff however its actually Woodroffe.
Dad fought and KO'd Darryl Cox on TV Ringside around April-May 1970 and for a short time was trained by Ambrose Palmer.
According to BoxRec, Cox however was defeated by a Johnny Woodruff who came from Trinidad and Tobago which is clearly incorrect as my Dad is from Mildura Victoria.
Does anybody know how I can go about getting this changed and does anybody have any idea if footage of that fight is floating about.
He was also on the back page of the Melbourne Sun Newspaper shortly after his bout with the headline THE BOY FROM THE BUSH (or something similar which I'm also trying to track down) If anybody can help get his information on BoxRec correct It would be much appreciated.
Kind Regards
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Hi James. I alerted Admins re your post, who will be in touch via forum private message
Cheers
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kylamy wrote: 12 Sep 2010, 06:32
Beltane wrote:Another fighter, although not a local, who gave TV Ringside watchers much value back in 1971 was South African: Tony Morodi. He lost 2 very close bouts with Scot: John O'Brien and defeated Manny Santos and Michael Vitale plus Toro George (in Perth).

Tony was a compact, small, speedy and durable lightweight and once trained and sparred in South Africa behind closed doors due to apartheid with Johnny Famechon (before his Arnold Taylor fight).
Beltane, You certainly have a great memory, I was around in those days and it brings back terrific memories, I trained at Palmer's with Terry and Glen Grinstead who, If were fighting today would be Australian and regional Champs without doubt.

Regarding Anthony Morodi, I sparred with him many times while he was here, I went to the city a few times and we went for dinner and i showed him around Melbourne, I was 15 yo, never had a car, but got my Girlfriend who was older to borrow her dad's car and drive us around.

I have a signed photo Anthony gave me, it is with him and Cassius Clay, not sure where it was taken, I think in Sth Africa, but I still have that photo, I knew he had sparred Fammo in Sth Africa, because he also gave me a photo of them sparring each other.

I also sparred with Johnny O'Brien, Gentleman Don Johnson, Manny Santos, Toro George, Hector and numerous others including former Oz heavyweight Champ, Foster Bibron, even tho i was just a feather, Ambrose threw us all in for speed,

Three years ago, I met Foster in Adelaide when was asked to do a sportsman's night with him and Tony Mundine who took Fosters heavyweight title, it was a fabulous night to catch-up with Foster, AS we recalled it must've been 35 odd years since we both seen each other,

Beltane, These are great memories you have bought back to me of these days. Were you in Melbourne then?

Perhaps we know each other, I am now in Qld, but get to Melb plenty of times with my work in the boxing.

Cheers and thanks for helping me revisit some of these terrific days in our sport,

Thanks for the memories anyway,
Much appreciated
I 'Sparred' with Johnny O'brien at Harry Martin and Norm Taylors Gym in Sandringham. We were infamous for having Ricky Day who was given the nod over Rocky Mattioli if you can remember. Johnny O'Brien took it real easy on me as I was only 14 or so.
I remember him being a really nice fella and enjoyed watching him train. RIP John
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Grant wrote: 25 Nov 2018, 02:31
kylamy wrote: 12 Sep 2010, 06:32
Beltane wrote:Another fighter, although not a local, who gave TV Ringside watchers much value back in 1971 was South African: Tony Morodi. He lost 2 very close bouts with Scot: John O'Brien and defeated Manny Santos and Michael Vitale plus Toro George (in Perth).

Tony was a compact, small, speedy and durable lightweight and once trained and sparred in South Africa behind closed doors due to apartheid with Johnny Famechon (before his Arnold Taylor fight).
Beltane, You certainly have a great memory, I was around in those days and it brings back terrific memories, I trained at Palmer's with Terry and Glen Grinstead who, If were fighting today would be Australian and regional Champs without doubt.

Regarding Anthony Morodi, I sparred with him many times while he was here, I went to the city a few times and we went for dinner and i showed him around Melbourne, I was 15 yo, never had a car, but got my Girlfriend who was older to borrow her dad's car and drive us around.

I have a signed photo Anthony gave me, it is with him and Cassius Clay, not sure where it was taken, I think in Sth Africa, but I still have that photo, I knew he had sparred Fammo in Sth Africa, because he also gave me a photo of them sparring each other.

I also sparred with Johnny O'Brien, Gentleman Don Johnson, Manny Santos, Toro George, Hector and numerous others including former Oz heavyweight Champ, Foster Bibron, even tho i was just a feather, Ambrose threw us all in for speed,

Three years ago, I met Foster in Adelaide when was asked to do a sportsman's night with him and Tony Mundine who took Fosters heavyweight title, it was a fabulous night to catch-up with Foster, AS we recalled it must've been 35 odd years since we both seen each other,

Beltane, These are great memories you have bought back to me of these days. Were you in Melbourne then?

Perhaps we know each other, I am now in Qld, but get to Melb plenty of times with my work in the boxing.

Cheers and thanks for helping me revisit some of these terrific days in our sport,

Thanks for the memories anyway,
Much appreciated
I 'Sparred' with Johnny O'brien at Harry Martin and Norm Taylors Gym in Sandringham. We were infamous for having Ricky Day who was given the nod over Rocky Mattioli if you can remember. Johnny O'Brien took it real easy on me as I was only 14 or so.
I remember him being a really nice fella and enjoyed watching him train. RIP John
I didn't realize Johnny O'Brien had died so young. Something like 42.

Do you or anyone else know how he died?
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He died in a car crash on the way to work, I think at the docks?. And as memory serves he was asleep on the back seat.

That's only from memory.

A pretty good career, By the way he used to bite us lesser mortals, even with his mouth guard in.

I liked him
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Bit of a writeup from a facebook boxing page....



https://www.facebook.com/groups/620162741481224/

Television Times. 19.

T.V. Ringside.

This was Ron Casey's baby. It was good television in the nineteen-sixties, but it was poorly planned. Shot in South Melbourne's studio 1, the actual ring was erected by outside professionals who knew their business. The broadcast team, Ron Casey and Merv Williams were both exceptionally qualified. The boxers were competitive and of a high standard. The crew itself were capable, except for the techo who forgot to engage a locking pin on a Marconi, so that when Kevin Crawford elevated his camera and tilted it back to catch the close-up action of the boxers, the camera slid backward off its mounting and into his arms.
One problem was blood splatter: not quite 'Saving Private Ryan' but you get the picture. Boxing, by definition, is a brutal sport. You either win or lose. These eager fellows went at it hammer and tongs. Another problem was lack of dressing room space for the boxers and their handlers, although it was little worse than what they had to contend with at Festival Hall.
And the last, and most important, was the most basic: where did the rampant audience go to pee? They were encouraged to bring in drink, or at least not deterred. (the end of Six O'clock Closing happened in 1966, the year Ringside began) So, many came in to the studio, already fueled, with beer or wine, imbibed, screamed encouragement and imprecations in various languages and literally flooded the single dressing room toilet. Many didn't bother leaving the studio and simply went behind the banked audience seating and relieved themselves against the studio walls. It must have been a nightmare for Curly and his team of cleaners.
I had little to do with the show, other than setting out the seating, and the podium where Ron and Merv broadcast and commented on the kaleidoscope of boxers hammering each other and hitting the canvas. There were plenty of young men, trained up through people like Jack Rennie and his wife Shirley, who were eager to seek their fortune by punching their way to it. Up and comers were Johnny Famechon and Lionel Rose, Tony Mundine, Rocky Mattioli, Hector Thompson and Barry Michael, Lester Ellis and Leo Young. Leo later became the head of security at The Burvale Hotel during the late seventies/ early eighties, when Maria worked there on Reception. I'd turn up at some of the staff gatherings, and Leo, (Real name: Leo Yurewicz, first bout 1964, final 1973) always genial, used to call me 'Old Timer.'
In fact, I think we were about the same age. I say, 'always genial, but I recall one Burvale staff function were he was very angry. Young was a teetotaler, and someone spiked his soft drink with alcohol. Even back then his fists would have been considered 'lethal weapons', and whoever it was, was very fortunate to have not been discovered.
Merv Williams was an ex-boxer and a very colourful character. He came within a whisker of creating television history one night on T.V. Ringside when he described a boxer as a 'Cunning cun... customer.'
Casey, as always, covered by simply continuing his call.
The only time I saw Ron slightly bemused was a night when I took Maria to a restaurant for dinner. Ron and his wife were also there, a couple of tables away. His gaze met mine, and for just a second, it seemed to register in his eyes, that that young man was not 'batting for the other team.'
I was rather pleased, especially because Maria looked... well, wonderful. That was probably late in 1968, and before both of us moved on from dear old Channel 7.
And here, I must pause to recall my memories of Festival Hall.
I went there the first time with Graham (Macca) MacNamara, probably about 1963 to see the Dave Brubeck Quartet. It wouldn't have mattered what the venue was, they were just liquidly superb. Now, thinking back on it, I was so very lucky to see Joe Morrelo, Eugene Wright, Paul Desmond and Dave Brubeck do their fluid thing.
In the 70's I was back there as a cameraman on the 'Lobo' concert, directed by Bob Loxton. And after the show and the striking of our equipment, I took a walk down beneath the upper level, to where the boxers were quartered during their fights. It was a squalid, blood-stained place; a plywood imitation of what the Colosseum, below ground, might have looked like. The faint reek of urine and bile and belly-ache; and the sadness, the aching sadness of those empty cubicles down there, has always haunted me.
Those rough places, no better than cattle stalls, were the confines of young men who chose the path of 'The House of Stoush'. That was where they were oiled, massaged, bandaged, gloved and laced, and convinced of their invincibility. That was where they were launched, to meet their fate, or mete out another's fate.
Even though I was there at Channel 7 in the 60's, through some of 'T.V. Ringside' and thought little of it then; in the 70's, in the bowels of Festival Hall I was confronted with the reality, and the ghosts of boxers, and wrestlers too. I cannot forget the shambling, crippled man that had once been 'Chief Little Wolf', my boyhood wrestling idol on radio, (as brought to us via Ron Casey's clipped, precise calling) sitting on the aisle, in the audience of 'Sunny Side Up' one night.
I think of it now, and am deeply saddened.
And yet.
Lionel Edmund Rose MBE. And later, Australian of the Year.
What a bantamweight boxer. What a role model. He fought Japan's 'Fighting' Harada in Tokyo, Feb 1968.
It makes me shiver even now. I listened to Ron Casey's dynamic radio commentary at the Saint Andrews pub. Lionel was the first indigenous Australian to take the World Title. Later, he appeared at O, singing 'I Thank You'. He was very modest and unassuming.
Sadly, I saw him one last time at a hotel across from the stockyards at Flemmington. It was early morning, and we crew were on our way to the race course. We stopped by the pub to do a little buying for the day ahead, and there at eight thirty in the morning we saw Lionel, through the haze of cigarette smoke, playing pool. He'd finished fighting long before, and by then, was slowly losing another fight. It was a sad sight, his muscle tone had ebbed and he was failing.
Yet he lived on, passing away in Warragul, May 8, 2011. He was sixty three.
Jean-Pierre Famechon, born March 1945, Paris, France, came to Australia in 1950 in the custody of his parents, who by then had had enough of the hubris of the remainder of the Second World War. Of course, he later became known and renowned as the Featherweight boxer, 'Johhny' Famechon.
Ron Casey, in his excitement, I think, at Famechon's second victory over 'Fighting' Harada, called him 'Johnny Champechon!' (or perhaps that should be a fitting entitlement for a man who endured a debilitating road injury that left him a shadow of himself: yet he continues on to this day)
2003 saw him inducted into the Australian National Boxing Hall of Fame. In 2012, Johnny was the third, elevated to Legend status.
I got the chance to work with 'Case' again at 10. (Don't know if he recognised me by the mid to late eighties, but he was always driven by his agenda, and that alone) He did a 'World of Sport' type spin-off for some closed circuit television channel, and had some of his originals with him, including John 'Sammy' Newman, who was as abrasive and confronting as possible. ( He was extremely lucky not to get decked by David Parkin during one interview of the, then, Coach of Fitzroy)
Stu Kinchen, who had been on Staging and a Floor Manager at 7, was the F.M. and the camera crew were myself, Paul Barnett and Evana Ferrara.
The show began in studio D, which was smaller than studio 1 at Seven, and in crowded the characters: Teddy Whitten, Bobby Davis and Co. And in that confined space, I felt the production worked. There was no Wood-chop or Bikes or Hand-ball, but there was a comforting feeling of confusion and disarray that had been the prevailing hallmark of the old WOS. But then the choice was made to move studio, over to A. This was a mistake. Studio A was far too big for what needed to be an intimate, draw-you-in program. Here, I think Ron erred. Studio A simply swallowed the concept into one corner. Case, maybe didn't see it, but time was up for the show.
There was beer awaiting in the Scenery Bay, jealously guarded by Stu Kinchen. after each of the final episodes.
Mervyn Louis (Merv) Williams died in 1980. He was 78.
Ron Casey died on the 19th of June, 2000 in Melbourne.
'Sam' Newman is still awaiting someone to 'deck' him. (A few have given it their best shot, on and off screen.)
Stu Kinchen is still, to my knowledge, having the one or two.
Paul Barnett has three children, grown now, and often with their Dad; united in their support of the AFL Geelong football team.
Evana Ferrara has passed from my knowledge after she left television to go into photography; although she did request a reference from me, which I duly provided.

And me? Well... you know me.
I just write.
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As far as I know, Llew Edwards, a Welsh-born lightweight who was active in Australia during the 1910s and 1920s, has not been inducted into the Australian National Boxing Hall of Fame. Yet he had a fine record and was one of the best-known boxers in Australia while he was active. As far as I know, Edwards lived in Australia during the rest of his life after he retired. There are fighters with far less impressive records who are inductees in the Australian National Boxing Hall of Fame.

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Grant wrote: 14 Jul 2017, 04:36
Beltane wrote:I remember Ron Beekin having a lot of trouble gaining fights at the time and attempts were made to get him to meet Tony Mundine but nothing eventuated.

Mahanga traded off his KO win over Tony (Tony was well ahead on points late into the fight but was king hit and counted out) for years on TV Ringside and anyone with good boxing skills ran rings around Kahu.
Geeze 'king hit' sort of means hit when not expecting it like a voward punch. I can't remember it that way. It was just flush. And i remember Tony jumping up at 9 1/2 like he was fresh as a daisy. But too late im afraid
Ron Beekin fought and beat Kahu Mahanga before Kahu fought and beat Tony Mundine. I was training at Bernie Hall's at the time and remember Bernie talking about it.
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Tinnie wrote: 15 Mar 2017, 20:43 Nice little interview with Noel Kunde on the tpoic of Lionel Rose.....

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p04t8k66
A great site mate. just saved it as a bookmark
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