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[gilgamesh]

I had the Castillo-Mayweather fights scored...

Fight 1: 115-111 Castillo
Fight 2: 115-113 Mayweather

People always act like Floyd won the rematch easy, but he still had a pretty difficult night with JLC there I thought even though he won.

The cuts Vitali suffered in the Lennox Lewis fight were clearly caused by punches. I agree he was ahead on the cards at the time of the stoppage, but I don't recall any foul blows from either fighter in that bout, and I've watched it several times.

[gilgamesh]

James Toney vs Montell Griffin 1

116-112 Toney

I thought Toney won the 2nd fight even more clearly. Something like 117-111 as I recall. I thought Toney got jobbed in both Montell Griffin fights.

[Kalan]

I had the Castillo-Mayweather fights scored...

Fight 1: 115-111 Castillo
Fight 2: 115-113 Mayweather

People always act like Floyd won the rematch easy, but he still had a pretty difficult night with JLC there I thought even though he won.

The cuts Vitali suffered in the Lennox Lewis fight were clearly caused by punches. I agree he was ahead on the cards at the time of the stoppage, but I don't recall any foul blows from either fighter in that bout, and I've watched it several times.

Gilgamesh... You're blind if you don't spot the Lewis fouls in the Klitschko fight... right after the 3rd round started Lewis threw a couple lefts and a looping right thumb strike.. twisting the his right thumb on the edge of Vitali's left eyelid... Then he immediately pulled VK into a clinch and rubbed his head and hair into the nick he opened... then, holding Vitali around his neck with his left forearm he slashed the nick open with the edge and palm of his right glove with a palm rake... All those fouls in those few seconds is when he inflicted all the damage with the thumb strike, headwork, holding and hitting, and palm slash...4 separate fouls in the space of 20 seconds and all the cuts were inflicted.

You're blind if you think Mayweather won the 2nd Castillo fight 115-111... He won at least 119-109... They had a hit team of judges, including Ken Morita, who had Tyson beating Douglas before he was knocked out, trying to rob Floyd... They couldn't because Floyd won at least 11 rounds... And in the first fight Floyd didn't score a shutout but he was a clear winner... ALL the judges had Floyd winning the first fight by 4 and 5 points which was correct.

[gilgamesh]

I had the Castillo-Mayweather fights scored...

Fight 1: 115-111 Castillo
Fight 2: 115-113 Mayweather

People always act like Floyd won the rematch easy, but he still had a pretty difficult night with JLC there I thought even though he won.

The cuts Vitali suffered in the Lennox Lewis fight were clearly caused by punches. I agree he was ahead on the cards at the time of the stoppage, but I don't recall any foul blows from either fighter in that bout, and I've watched it several times.

Gilgamesh... You're blind if you don't spot the Lewis fouls in the Klitschko fight... right after the 3rd round started Lewis threw a couple lefts and a looping right thumb strike.. twisting the his right thumb on the edge of Vitali's left eyelid... Then he immediately pulled VK into a clinch and rubbed his head and hair into the nick he opened... then, holding Vitali around his neck with his left forearm he slashed the nick open with the edge and palm of his right glove with a palm rake... All those fouls in those few seconds is when he inflicted all the damage with the thumb strike, headwork, holding and hitting, and palm slash...4 separate fouls in the space of 20 seconds and all the cuts were inflicted.

You're blind if you think Mayweather won the 2nd Castillo fight 115-111... He won at least 119-109... They had a hit team of judges, including Ken Morita, who had Tyson beating Douglas before he was knocked out, trying to rob Floyd... They couldn't because Floyd won at least 11 rounds... And in the first fight Floyd didn't score a shutout but he was a clear winner... ALL the judges had Floyd winning the first fight by 4 and 5 points which was correct.

I didn't score the 2nd Castillo fight 115-111, I scored it 115-113 for Mayweather. I've watched that fight several times, that's the way I always see it. I feel like Castillo clearly beat Floyd in the 1st fight, more clearly than Floyd beat him in the 2nd fight. If you disagree with me that's fine, but that's the way I see those fights, and I have them both in my collection. I don't revisit the 2nd one as often because it's not as fun of a fight to watch, the first fight between the two is a solid fight and is pretty fun to watch.

I'm not gonna argue with you any further on anything in this thread because that's not what this threads purpose is.

[scartissue]

I was actually looking forward to scoring the Alex Ramos-Curtis Parker fight when I saw that a couple of the late rounds were missing. Too bad, good barn-burner. So decided on that first Mayweather-Castillo fight. Here we go.

Round 1: 10-9 Mayweather
Round 2: 10-10 Even
Round 3: 10-9 Mayweather
Round 4: 10-10 Even
Round 5: 10-9 Mayweather
Round 6: 10-9 Castillo
Round 7: 10-9 Castillo
Round 8: 9-9 Even (Scored it for Castillo but the ref deducted one point from Castillo for hitting on the break)
Round 9: 10-9 Castillo
Round 10: 10-8 Castillo (the ref deducted one point from Floyd for use of his elbow)
Round 11: 10-9 Castillo
Round 12: 10-9 Castillo

Total: 116-112 Castillo

I really felt Castillo simply exerted his strength over Mayweather throughout the second half of the fight. Pretty solid on my card.

[Kalan]

I had the Castillo-Mayweather fights scored...

Fight 1: 115-111 Castillo
Fight 2: 115-113 Mayweather

People always act like Floyd won the rematch easy, but he still had a pretty difficult night with JLC there I thought even though he won.

The cuts Vitali suffered in the Lennox Lewis fight were clearly caused by punches. I agree he was ahead on the cards at the time of the stoppage, but I don't recall any foul blows from either fighter in that bout, and I've watched it several times.

Gilgamesh... You're blind if you don't spot the Lewis fouls in the Klitschko fight... right after the 3rd round started Lewis threw a couple lefts and a looping right thumb strike.. twisting the his right thumb on the edge of Vitali's left eyelid... Then he immediately pulled VK into a clinch and rubbed his head and hair into the nick he opened... then, holding Vitali around his neck with his left forearm he slashed the nick open with the edge and palm of his right glove with a palm rake... All those fouls in those few seconds is when he inflicted all the damage with the thumb strike, headwork, holding and hitting, and palm slash...4 separate fouls in the space of 20 seconds and all the cuts were inflicted.

You're blind if you think Mayweather won the 2nd Castillo fight 115-111... He won at least 119-109... They had a hit team of judges, including Ken Morita, who had Tyson beating Douglas before he was knocked out, trying to rob Floyd... They couldn't because Floyd won at least 11 rounds... And in the first fight Floyd didn't score a shutout but he was a clear winner... ALL the judges had Floyd winning the first fight by 4 and 5 points which was correct.

I didn't score the 2nd Castillo fight 115-111, I scored it 115-113 for Mayweather. I've watched that fight several times, that's the way I always see it. I feel like Castillo clearly beat Floyd in the 1st fight, more clearly than Floyd beat him in the 2nd fight. If you disagree with me that's fine, but that's the way I see those fights, and I have them both in my collection. I don't revisit the 2nd one as often because it's not as fun of a fight to watch, the first fight between the two is a solid fight and is pretty fun to watch.

I'm not gonna argue with you any further on anything in this thread because that's not what this threads purpose is.

Every thread contains arguments and disagreements... Some arguments are very weak and emotional... Some very strong and fact based

You have to turn the sound off when you watch the Mayweather-Castillo fights... ALL the judges wee close to correct in the 1st fight... And Floyd won 11 rounds of the 2nd fight... What happened in the first fight is that blind Harold Lederman was influenced by the erroneous punch stats---and Lederman influenced the HBO crew.. It was Group Think.. The judges don't listen to the commentators or punch stats at all.. Just watch the 5th round with the sound turned off.. Count the legal punches landed on scoring areas -- which is what judges do. They don't count punches on the back, on the break, or punches landing after the bell ends the round.. You'll see how ridiculous those punch stats were.

[scartissue]

I love watching Curtis Parker fights. Just scored he against Michael Olajide. He had been off 7 months befor this fight which was unusual for him and it showed. A lot of ring rust and blowing hard after a few rounds. A more active Parker would have taken Olajide IMO. But here we go. NJ rules of a round basis.

Round 1: Parker
Round 2: Olajide
Round 3: Even
Round 4: Even
Round 5: Olajide
Round 6: Parker
Round 7: Olajide
Round 8: Olajide
Round 9: Olajide
Round 10: Olajide

Total: 6-2-2 Olajide

It was officially a split decision for Olajide. I think it was 7-3 and 6-3-1 for Olajide and 6-3-1 for Parker. A lot of close rounds so it depends on what you're looking for.

[Ambling Alp II]

I was actually looking forward to scoring the Alex Ramos-Curtis Parker fight when I saw that a couple of the late rounds were missing. Too bad, good barn-burner. So decided on that first Mayweather-Castillo fight. Here we go.

Round 1: 10-9 Mayweather
Round 2: 10-10 Even
Round 3: 10-9 Mayweather
Round 4: 10-10 Even
Round 5: 10-9 Mayweather
Round 6: 10-9 Castillo
Round 7: 10-9 Castillo
Round 8: 9-9 Even (Scored it for Castillo but the ref deducted one point from Castillo for hitting on the break)
Round 9: 10-9 Castillo
Round 10: 10-8 Castillo (the ref deducted one point from Floyd for use of his elbow)
Round 11: 10-9 Castillo
Round 12: 10-9 Castillo

Total: 116-112 Castillo

I really felt Castillo simply exerted his strength over Mayweather throughout the second half of the fight. Pretty solid on my card.

I had Castillo winning by four points. Mayweather was just sleepwalking his way through this fight. No way he deserved this decision. This is one of those decisions that didn't people don't talk much about but would have changed boxing history had it been scored fairly.

[gilgamesh]

I always heard this one was controversial so I finally gave it a watch yesterday.

Carlos Zarate vs Lupe Pintor

Round 1: 10-9 Zarate
Round 2: 10-9 Pintor
Round 3: 10-9 Zarate *
Round 4: 10-8 Zarate
Round 5: 10-9 Zarate
Round 6: 10-9 Pintor
Round 7: 10-9 Zarate
Round 8: 10-9 Zarate
Round 9: 10-9 Pintor
Round 10: 10-9 Pintor
Round 11: 10-9 Pintor
Round 12: 10-9 Pintor *
Round 13: 10-9 Pintor
Round 14: 10-9 Pintor
Round 15: 10-9 Zarate *


Final Score: 142-142 Draw

The Asterix * indicates a round I feel could've went either way

[Seamus]

from the period when Roberto Duran was supposedly still in his "No Mas" funk period.

Roberto Duran vs Nino Gonzalez

R1.5-5 Even
R2.5-4 RD
R3.5-4 RD
R4.5-4 RD
R5.5-4 RD
R6.5-4 RD
R7.5-4 RD
R8.5-4 RD
R9.5-4 NG
R10.5-4 NG

Roberto Duran 48-43

Duran really dictated the pace against Gonzalez, who just wasn't busy enough until the last 2 rds when he did a bit better in some spirited flurries with Duran.

Roberto Duran vs Luigi Minchillo

R1.10-9 LM
R2.10-9 RD
R3.10-10 Duran's right eye lid badly cut from a clash of heads.
R4.10-9 LM
R5.10-9 RD
R6.10-9 RD
R7.10-9 RD
R8.10-9 RD
R9.10-9 RD
R10.10-9 RD

Roberto Duran 98-93

I had it even at the halfway point, but Duran really asserted himself in the second half as his heavier shots really took a toll and slowed down Minchillo, who's workrate had earlier made it a very close fight.

[elmersalsa]

from the period when Roberto Duran was supposedly still in his "No Mas" funk period.

Roberto Duran vs Nino Gonzalez

R1.5-5 Even
R2.5-4 RD
R3.5-4 RD
R4.5-4 RD
R5.5-4 RD
R6.5-4 RD
R7.5-4 RD
R8.5-4 RD
R9.5-4 NG
R10.5-4 NG

Roberto Duran 48-43

Duran really dictated the pace against Gonzalez, who just wasn't busy enough until the last 2 rds when he did a bit better in some spirited flurries with Duran.

Roberto Duran vs Luigi Minchillo

R1.10-9 LM
R2.10-9 RD
R3.10-10 Duran's right eye lid badly cut from a clash of heads.
R4.10-9 LM
R5.10-9 RD
R6.10-9 RD
R7.10-9 RD
R8.10-9 RD
R9.10-9 RD
R10.10-9 RD

Roberto Duran 98-93

I had it even at the halfway point, but Duran really asserted himself in the second half as his heavier shots really took a toll and slowed down Minchillo, who's workrate had earlier made it a very close fight.

The great Roberto Duran looked slow and terrible in both fights. Plus, the 154lbs class was too big for him. He won both fights because of more experience and ring generalship. He wasn't gonna a beat any top world class super welterweight like that.

[scartissue]

Just rewatched the Carlos Zarate defense against Albert Davila which I have not seen in many moons. I loved watching Davila. Such beautiful combinations. I think he made a tactical error with the slow first two rounds. Zarate was a slow starter and that was the time to jump on him. Not crazily but to start firing those pinpoint combos through Zarate's guard when he was still loosening up. Oh, well, easy for me to say.

Round 1: 10-10 Even
Round 2: 10-9 Davila
Round 3: 10-9 Davila
Round 4: 10-9 Davila
Round 5: 10-9 Zarate
Round 6: 10-9 Zarate
Round 7: 10-9 Zarate
Round 8: Fight stopped by ringside physician after Davila rose from a knockdown with a severe cut.

Total (through 7 completed rounds): 67-67 Even

The fight had really swung towards Zarate and the end looked inevitable. But one great effort by Davila against a great and feared champ.

[elmersalsa]

I just saw the fight of the great Tommy Hearns against James "The Heat" Kinchen. It was a very entertaining fight. What surprised me was that Kinchen dropped the Hitman with an overhand right in round 4. Tommy was also deducted a point in that round for excessive holding?

But, I think Tommy won the fight with heart, grit, determination and most of all, experience. Kinchen complained at the end about the outcome, but, in the real truth, it was his fault for not pressing the fight much more. He should have been on top of The Hitman more often and he didn't. It was a fair decision win. Hearns even had a black eye on this fight? You could see that he was fading of being shot. I think those early middleweight wars took his toll, but, like a great champion, he hold on and won after being behind s 3 points after round 4. He started boxing once he saw he could not hurt Kinchen. And in my view, Hearns did not lose a single round after round 4.

I scored it 116-112 for Hearns. He became the NABF and WBO Super middleweight champion.

[Seamus]

Now I had to go back and score that fight.

Thomas Hearns vs James Kinchen

R1.10-9 TH
R2.10-9 TH
R3.10-10 Even
R4.10-7 JK (Hearns down from a right-left combo to the end and also loses a pt for excessive holding)
R5.10-9 TH
R6.10-9 JK
R7.10-9 JK
R8.10-9 JK
R9.10-9 JK
R10.10-9 TH
R11.10-9 TH
R12.10-10 Even

James Kinchen 115-113

Hearns was very busy with his hands throughout the fight, but Kinchen took his shots well and pressed the attack better. A pretty good fight well worth watching.

[gilgamesh]

Just watched this fight for the first time today.

Lennox Lewis vs Ray Mercer

Round 1: 10-9 Mercer
Round 2: 10-9 Lewis
Round 3: 10-9 Lewis
Round 4: 10-9 Lewis
Round 5: 10-9 Mercer
Round 6: 10-9 Mercer
Round 7: 10-9 Lewis
Round 8: 10-9 Lewis
Round 9: 10-9 Mercer
Round 10: 10-9 Lewis

Final score is 96-94 Lennox Lewis

[Woldemar]

JMM beat Freddie Norwood 115-111

JMM beat Chris John 117-111

Kid Akeem beat Robert Quiroga 115-113

Paulus Moses beat Takehiro Shimada 115-113

Ricky Burns beat 115-113 Paulus Moses

Richard Abril beat 117-111 Sharif Bogere

[Woldemar]

Mike McCallum vs Ayub Kalule

1R 10-8 McCallum
2R 10-9 McCallum
3R 10-9 McCallum
4R 10-9 McCallum
5R 10-9 McCallum
6R 10-9 McCallum
7R 10-8 McCallum

70-61 winner Mike McCallum

[scartissue]

Esteban DeJesus vs Edwin Viruet

R1. ED
R2. Even
R3.EV
R4.EV
R5.EV
R6.ED
R7.ED
R8.EV
R9.EV
R10.Even

Edwin Viruet 5-3-2 (Esteban DeJesus won a SD in this bout)


DeJesus looked pretty tentative for much of this fight, other than the 6th and 7th when he was coming very well with and pressuring Viruet, but the latter recovered well in the 8th and 9th and kept his distance, jabbed well and caught DeJesus coming in.

Here's one I pulled out of the archives. The Esteban Dejesus v Edwin Viruet 10 rounder. Definitely a perplexing fight when you see Seamus' score above and mine below. Here we go on a rounds basis.

Round 1: Dejesus
Round 2: Viruet
Round 3: Even
Round 4: Dejesus
Round 5: Dejesus
Round 6: Dejesus
Round 7: Even
Round 8: Viruet
Round 9: Dejesus
Round 10: Dejesus

Total: 6-2-2 Dejesus

Usually Seamus and I are pretty close but in this one we agreed only on about three rounds. It was controversial at the time and after watching it I see why. It really depends on what you're looking for, but in this fight what makes it difficult is that for 10 rounds Dejesus does a lot of missing and Viruet fights a somewhat negative fight, so one is left weighing who actually did more. If anyone wants to give this a try, youtube has it in 3 parts. It is not hi-def by any means and part one's audio is all askew. I felt very comfortable on my verdict, as I'm sure Seamus did with his. It is a very subjective fight on how you score.

[scartissue]

I was checking out a few fights on youtube and came across the first fight between Hiroshi Kobayashi and Antonio Amaya. What drew me to it was the pristine clarity for a fight from '69. Here we go, 5 point must system in effect.

Round 1: 5-4 Amaya
Round 2: 5-4 Amaya
Round 3: 5-4 Amaya
Round 4: 5-4 Amaya
Round 5: 5-4 Kobayashi
Round 6: 5-4 Amaya
Round 7: 5-4 Kobayashi
Round 8: 5-4 Kobayashi
Round 9: 5-4 Amaya
Round 10: 5-4 Amaya
Round 11: 5-4 Amaya
Round 12: 5-4 Amaya
Round 13: 5-4 Kobayshi
Round 14: 5-4 Kobayshi
Round 15: 5-4 Amaya

Total: 70-65 Amaya

In actuality, Kobayshi retained his title on a 15 round split decision, which was deplorable. Amaya, who fights like Laguna or Luis Rodriguez, really controlled the fight whereas Kobayshi only fought in spurts. And to tell you the truth, I think I gave him the 5th and 7th out of pity. I really think they were more even rounds. But Kobayshi benefitted from 3 Japanese judges rather than neutral judges (the one judge who voted for Amaya scored it 3-1-11. How's that for fence-sitting?). Amaya had every right to be pissed, although his manager voiced his opinion rather than the fighter. Because he was robbed!!!!

[elmersalsa]

I was checking out a few fights on youtube and came across the first fight between Hiroshi Kobayashi and Antonio Amaya. What drew me to it was the pristine clarity for a fight from '69. Here we go, 5 point must system in effect.

Round 1: 5-4 Amaya
Round 2: 5-4 Amaya
Round 3: 5-4 Amaya
Round 4: 5-4 Amaya
Round 5: 5-4 Kobayashi
Round 6: 5-4 Amaya
Round 7: 5-4 Kobayashi
Round 8: 5-4 Kobayashi
Round 9: 5-4 Amaya
Round 10: 5-4 Amaya
Round 11: 5-4 Amaya
Round 12: 5-4 Amaya
Round 13: 5-4 Kobayshi
Round 14: 5-4 Kobayshi
Round 15: 5-4 Amaya

Total: 70-65 Amaya

In actuality, Kobayshi retained his title on a 15 round split decision, which was deplorable. Amaya, who fights like Laguna or Luis Rodriguez, really controlled the fight whereas Kobayshi only fought in spurts. And to tell you the truth, I think I gave him the 5th and 7th out of pity. I really think they were more even rounds. But Kobayshi benefitted from 3 Japanese judges rather than neutral judges (the one judge who voted for Amaya scored it 3-1-11. How's that for fence-sitting?). Amaya had every right to be pissed, although his manager voiced his opinion rather than the fighter. Because he was robbed!!!!

In those days in Japan, you could not win a title fight against a local by decision. You've got to knock the Japanese rival out. I mean, completely out to come out with a win. Antonio Amaya from Panama was definitely robbed!

[scartissue]

I was checking out a few fights on youtube and came across the first fight between Hiroshi Kobayashi and Antonio Amaya. What drew me to it was the pristine clarity for a fight from '69. Here we go, 5 point must system in effect.

Round 1: 5-4 Amaya
Round 2: 5-4 Amaya
Round 3: 5-4 Amaya
Round 4: 5-4 Amaya
Round 5: 5-4 Kobayashi
Round 6: 5-4 Amaya
Round 7: 5-4 Kobayashi
Round 8: 5-4 Kobayashi
Round 9: 5-4 Amaya
Round 10: 5-4 Amaya
Round 11: 5-4 Amaya
Round 12: 5-4 Amaya
Round 13: 5-4 Kobayshi
Round 14: 5-4 Kobayshi
Round 15: 5-4 Amaya

Total: 70-65 Amaya

In actuality, Kobayshi retained his title on a 15 round split decision, which was deplorable. Amaya, who fights like Laguna or Luis Rodriguez, really controlled the fight whereas Kobayshi only fought in spurts. And to tell you the truth, I think I gave him the 5th and 7th out of pity. I really think they were more even rounds. But Kobayshi benefitted from 3 Japanese judges rather than neutral judges (the one judge who voted for Amaya scored it 3-1-11. How's that for fence-sitting?). Amaya had every right to be pissed, although his manager voiced his opinion rather than the fighter. Because he was robbed!!!!

In those days in Japan, you could not win a title fight against a local by decision. You've got to knock the Japanese rival out. I mean, completely out to come out with a win. Antonio Amaya from Panama was definitely robbed!

Moreover, that cut inflicted by Amaya (I think it was the 10th round) on Kobayashi's left eye appeared quite severe. The corner could not get it under control and it was bleeding before he left the corner of each round. The ref never stopped proceedings so a doctor could look at it (I don't know if a doc checked it between rounds) and when you compare it to the nick/cut that stopped Mitsunori Seki against Howard Winstone, there is no comparison. Amaya was hard done by in this fight.

[scartissue]

In light of the passing of Bobby Chacon I wanted to score one of Bobby's fights. There was one of the 4 Chacon-Limon fights I wanted to revisit and that was their second fight, which I just found on youtube. I saw it back in the day, but it was cool to revisit. The 10 point must system in a scheduled 12 rounder for Limon's NABF title.

Round 1: 10-10 Even
Round 2: 10-9 Limon
Round 3: 10-9 Limon
Round 4: 10-9 Chacon
Round 5: 10-9 Chacon
Round 6: 10-9 Chacon
Round 7: Fight stopped due to a cut on Limon's right eye, which they said was caused by a butt and had to go to the scorecards.

Total (through 6 completed rounds): 58-57 Chacon

In Calif. the recipient of a butt in a fight which is stopped can get no worse than a draw. If he was ahead on points then it would be a tech. win. Regarding the fight. Damn good fight which I would have loved to have seen played out to its bitter end. Man, these two did not like each other at all. Rounds 2 and 6 were particularly dirty with Limon gouging in the 2nd and Chacon retaliating and something similar in 6 (although I'm not sure what caused Chacon's retaliation in that round). Chacon appeared to have things in hand after a rocky start, but you never know with these two how it could go. Incidentally, I had it closer than the judges who had it 59-56 (twice) and 60-56 all for Chacon. Regardless, damn good fight. I should also mention that Limon was already cut because a doctor had already checked him out earlier. After the clash of heads it seemed that Limon did not wish to carry on and Lou Fillipo didn't call the doc in until Limon balked at going out there. Very strange.

[scartissue]

Seamus wrote:


Rocky Lockridge vs Wilfredo Gomez

R1 10-9 RL
R2 10-10 Even
R3 10-9 RL
R4 10-9 RL
R5 10-10 Even
R6 10-9 RL
R7 10-9 WG
R8 10-9 RL
R9 10-9 RL
R10 10-9 RL
R11 10-9 WG
R12 10-9 WG
R13 10-9 WG
R14 10-10 Even
R15 10-9 RL

Rocky Lockridge 146-142

Wilfredo Gomez was practically out on his feet after the 10th and was well behind on my scorecard, but then amazingly got up on his toes and outboxed Lockridge for 3 rounds, but Rocky finished strongly over the final 2 rounds. A very bad hometown decision for Wilfredo Gomez.

Seamus, I re-posted your score of the Gomez-Lockridge robbery. I just re-watched it myself for the first time since that fateful day. Here we go.

Round 1: 10-9 Lockridge
Round 2: 10-9 Gomez
Round 3: 10-10 Even
Round 4: 10-10 Even
Round 5: 10-9 Gomez
Round 6: 10-9 Lockridge
Round 7: 10-9 Lockridge
Round 8: 10-9 Lockridge
Round 9: 10-9 Lockridge
Round 10: 10-9 Lockridge (very close to being a 10-8 for Rocky)
Round 11: 10-9 Gomez
Round 12: 10-9 Gomez
Round 13: 10-10 Even
Round 14: 10-9 Lockridge
Round 15: 10-9 Lockridge

Total: 146-142 Lockridge

We had the exact same score but with different rounds. We totally agreed on 8 rounds, we had 6 rounds even and only disagreed on the 7th round. The problem with fighting Gomez in Puerto Rico is that anything goes. He is pretty much allowed to do what he wants. All the low blows and holding didn't get as much as a caution from the ref. How did Duva agree to 3 latin judges appointed by the WBC? Was he not aware of what Gomez was allowed to do to Zarate? Was he not aware of the weight-rigging in the Davila and Ndukwu fights. Rocky was the champ. Duva should have dictated the conditions and the officials at least.

[davie]

Whitaker vs Chavez

1. 9 - 10 Chavez.
2. 10 - 9 Whitaker.
3. 10 - 9 Whitaker.
4. 10 - 10
5. 9 - 10 Chavez.
6. 10 - 10
7. 10 - 9 Whitaker.
8. 10 - 9 Whitaker.
9. 9 - 10 Chavez.
10. 10 - 9 Whitaker.
11. 10 - 9 Whitaker.
12. 10 - 10

117-114 Whitaker.

A few round scored 10-10 and in each I probably preferred Pernells work. I often don't give as much credit, for work to the body, as I probably should, so I made a point of watching for that. But that score in my mind is possibly generous to Chavez and I couldn't have it any tighter than that. The 115-113 score card is even a stretch let alone the 2 scored a draw.

I now see what all the fuss was about with this decision.

[elmersalsa]

Ruben Olivares vs Chucho Castillo I. The best fight between Mexicans in the bantamweight division in my view. A complete textbook for young men that want to pursue a career in the ring in how you suppose to fight in the infighting. This is how you fight inside, folks! It was a great fight!

This is how I scored it:
Round 1 Even
Round 2 Olivares (10-9)
Round 3 Castillo (10-8)
Round 4 Even
Round 5 Olivares (10-9)
Round 6 Olivares (10-9)
Round 7 Castillo (10-9)
Round 8 Even
Round 9 to 13th It was all Ruben Olivares!
Round 14 Castillo
Round 15 Even

Olivares proved to be the better man. These two at the time, were the two best bantamweights of their era without a doubt. After round 8, it was all Ruben Olivares!

The last two rounds, you could give them to Chucho. A terrific fight of great quality by these two men. They fought three times. I can't wait to see the other two fights between them.

Now that I am studying the bantamweights, I will check out the best scraps of the Mexican-dominated bantamweight era. I think I will not be disappointed in watching those fights that's for sure.