Roman or Gennady

Ricky_ · Post by **Ricky_** » 11 Sep 2016, 10:28

Who's the better fighter & why?

Golovkin for me, isn't quite as silk as Roman but his ability to cut the ring and drill home such vicious shots gives him something special rarely seen from era to era.

Ian1973 · Post by **Ian1973** » 11 Sep 2016, 10:49

Golovkin. I think he just does pretty much what he wants to. Whenever I've seen Gonzalez his fights have been too competitive to rank him above GGG.

boxing_rocks · Post by **boxing_rocks** » 11 Sep 2016, 12:18

Gennady. From what I saw yesterday, Cuadras won. It was hard to look at Roman's face -- both its condition and facial expression.

MachoTime · Post by **MachoTime** » 11 Sep 2016, 12:23

I think GGG is far more exciting. However Gonzalez is also a true great. So I'd say it's a tie.

Freedom2013 · Post by **Freedom2013** » 11 Sep 2016, 14:40

Golovkin is more talented and more entertaining to watch, but had a relatively late start in the pros and his career was delayed a few years more by the despicable Universum.

Impractical Poster · Post by **Impractical Poster** » 11 Sep 2016, 19:45

You'd have to ask has GGG faced anyone as good as Cuadras?

It's hard for me to say, really. I had never seen Cuadras before last night. And having seen what Gonzo has done to top opponents in 3 other weight classes, I have a hard time believing that Cuadras is not better than anyone G has faced to date.

Apparently, Cuadras has been flying under the radar.... or I have been under a rock, which could be the case as I haven't been following boxing as close as I used to the past year or so.

Cutman Scabbers · Post by **Cutman Scabbers** » 11 Sep 2016, 19:48

I'm tempted to say GGG, but Roman has accomplished far more so far.

boxing_rocks · Post by **boxing_rocks** » 11 Sep 2016, 20:12

Impractical Poster wrote:You'd have to ask has GGG faced anyone as good as Cuadras?

It's hard for me to say, really. I had never seen Cuadras before last night. And having seen what Gonzo has done to top opponents in 3 other weight classes, I have a hard time believing that Cuadras is not better than anyone G has faced to date.

Apparently, Cuadras has been flying under the radar.... or I have been under a rock, which could be the case as I haven't been following boxing as close as I used to the past year or so.

Cuadras vs Inoue would be more interesting than Roman taking beating from bigger guys.

BAD INTENTIONS · Post by **BAD INTENTIONS** » 12 Sep 2016, 03:10

Most people who watch boxing probably saw one Roman Gonzalez fight before he was boxing's p4p #1 fighter.
Instead of introducing his as the best, HBO should have said, "he's definitely top 10, get to know him".
Unless he just met his JMM, I'm sure I wasn't watching boxing's best.

Roman looks like the underdog in a rematch against Cuadras.
Inoue might KO his ass.

Boxing Prospect · Post by **Boxing Prospect** » 12 Sep 2016, 05:52

...wonder what Golovkin would be like 4 weight classes above where he first won a world title.....

SFW · Post by **SFW** » 12 Sep 2016, 07:14

Boxing Prospect wrote:...wonder what Golovkin would be like 4 weight classes above where he first won a world title.....

And how many pounds difference would that be compared to the whopping 10 whole pounds difference Gonzalez has risen lol... this stupid weight class talk is extremely misleading, 4 weight classes over a ten pound span lol ridiculously unnecessary. Moving up 2-3 lbs is not a big fornicating deal, at all. Full size men could shit that much out, on command. That is somehow supposed to be compared with how GGG would do at Heavyweight?? GTFOH that's not even a good joke.

Boxing Prospect · Post by **Boxing Prospect** » 12 Sep 2016, 07:19

SFW wrote:
Boxing Prospect wrote:...wonder what Golovkin would be like 4 weight classes above where he first won a world title.....
And how many pounds difference would that be compared to the whopping 10 whole pounds difference Gonzalez has risen lol... this stupid weight class talk is extremely misleading, 4 weight classes over a ten pound span lol ridiculously unnecessary. Moving up 2-3 lbs is not a big effing deal, at all. Full size men could poo that much out, on command. That is somehow supposed to be compared with how GGG would do at Heavyweight?? GTFOH that's not even a good joke.

So how about Golovkin tries 8lbs then? ;)

SFW · Post by **SFW** » 12 Sep 2016, 07:41

Can we call that eight pounds 4 weight divisions like the midgets do? It'd certainly be taking the bigger challenge

Deadendgeneration · Post by **Deadendgeneration** » 12 Sep 2016, 07:51

Boxing Prospect wrote:
SFW wrote:
Boxing Prospect wrote:...wonder what Golovkin would be like 4 weight classes above where he first won a world title.....
And how many pounds difference would that be compared to the whopping 10 whole pounds difference Gonzalez has risen lol... this stupid weight class talk is extremely misleading, 4 weight classes over a ten pound span lol ridiculously unnecessary. Moving up 2-3 lbs is not a big effing deal, at all. Full size men could poo that much out, on command. That is somehow supposed to be compared with how GGG would do at Heavyweight?? GTFOH that's not even a good joke.
So how about Golovkin tries 8lbs then? ;)

Probably closer to 15 pounds when you factor in the difference in total body mass. Anyway they're 2 of my favourite fighters but it's Roman or me until we at least GGG at 168.

PsychoGamerTwo · Post by **PsychoGamerTwo** » 12 Sep 2016, 09:44

Gennady. I don't count these kids. Everybody talking about this Inoue kid, how he would KO Gonzalez.

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boxing_rocks · Post by **boxing_rocks** » 12 Sep 2016, 10:07

Boxing Prospect wrote:...wonder what Golovkin would be like 4 weight classes above where he first won a world title.....

Roman started his professional career at the age of 18. Golovkin was fighting at 140 when he was 18: 3 weight classes and 20 pounds below.

IKSRTFO · Post by **IKSRTFO** » 12 Sep 2016, 10:32

Gonzales. Yes he had a competitive fight....against someone he stepped up in weight to fight. It's like GGG moving up in weight to fight Froch and being busted up in the process while still winning.

jujigatame · Post by **jujigatame** » 12 Sep 2016, 10:50

I have to say Golovkin does seem more dominant, for my money. Gonzo is brilliant to watch but he's had a few seriously competitive fights, whereas Golovkin has had moments of difficulty but no fight that was truly competitive for the full duration.

Also the "4 division champ" thing is a bit overblown. The depth of talent at 105 and 108 is very shallow, and the distance between weight classes down there is tiny. I also don't think Chocolatito is particularly small for a 115er. The unofficial weights said he was 125 in the ring, which is probably about average for the 115 pound division. He must have dwarfed his opponents at 105.

littlepug · Post by **littlepug** » 12 Sep 2016, 10:54

SFW wrote:
Boxing Prospect wrote:...wonder what Golovkin would be like 4 weight classes above where he first won a world title.....
And how many pounds difference would that be compared to the whopping 10 whole pounds difference Gonzalez has risen lol... this stupid weight class talk is extremely misleading, 4 weight classes over a ten pound span lol ridiculously unnecessary. Moving up 2-3 lbs is not a big effing deal, at all. Full size men could poo that much out, on command. That is somehow supposed to be compared with how GGG would do at Heavyweight?? GTFOH that's not even a good joke.

how do you know moving up 2-3lbs at the lower weights is not a big deal, are you speaking from experience ?

littlepug · Post by **littlepug** » 12 Sep 2016, 10:56

PsychoGamerTwo wrote:Gennady. I don't count these kids. Everybody talking about this Inoue kid, how he would KO Gonzalez. And i haven't even seen this slit eyed midget. Nor i intend to.

why not ? are you not a boxing fan ?

SFW · Post by **SFW** » 12 Sep 2016, 11:43

littlepug wrote:
SFW wrote:
Boxing Prospect wrote:...wonder what Golovkin would be like 4 weight classes above where he first won a world title.....
And how many pounds difference would that be compared to the whopping 10 whole pounds difference Gonzalez has risen lol... this stupid weight class talk is extremely misleading, 4 weight classes over a ten pound span lol ridiculously unnecessary. Moving up 2-3 lbs is not a big effing deal, at all. Full size men could poo that much out, on command. That is somehow supposed to be compared with how GGG would do at Heavyweight?? GTFOH that's not even a good joke.
how do you know moving up 2-3lbs at the lower weights is not a big deal, are you speaking from experience ?

It would have to be an extreme case for that measly amount, after having ample time to prepare for the weight, to make any difference. Yes I am. It makes no sense to have all those weight classes, unnecessary. And very misleading. Winning a few trinkets and becoming 3-4 weight world champ, what that could really mean is beating a few glorified club fighter types and only have to rise 7-10lbs over that span. Meanwhile, you gotta give up 10+lbs just to get in the ring once with Canelo..

I respect the lower divisions, there are just too many of them.

littlepug · Post by **littlepug** » 12 Sep 2016, 11:53

SFW wrote:
littlepug wrote:
SFW wrote:
And how many pounds difference would that be compared to the whopping 10 whole pounds difference Gonzalez has risen lol... this stupid weight class talk is extremely misleading, 4 weight classes over a ten pound span lol ridiculously unnecessary. Moving up 2-3 lbs is not a big effing deal, at all. Full size men could poo that much out, on command. That is somehow supposed to be compared with how GGG would do at Heavyweight?? GTFOH that's not even a good joke.
how do you know moving up 2-3lbs at the lower weights is not a big deal, are you speaking from experience ?
It would have to be an extreme case for that measly amount, after having ample time to prepare for the weight, to make any difference. Yes I am. It makes no sense to have all those weight classes, unnecessary. And very misleading. Winning a few trinkets and becoming 3-4 weight world champ, what that could really mean is beating a few glorified club fighter types and only have to rise 7-10lbs over that span. Meanwhile, you gotta give up 10+lbs just to get in the ring once with Canelo..

I respect the lower divisions, there are just too many of them.

your not the only one that feels this way I hear a lot of boxing fans complaining about the lower weights but its usually bigger guys that could do a 3lb sh1t at the drop of a hat that feel this way, they are unable to identify with the struggles of being a little fighter which is understandable but the reality is those 3lbs can be a gamechanger for a little guy

Stuarty · Post by **Stuarty** » 12 Sep 2016, 12:04

GGG for me. Love watching both guys but GGGs power gives him the edge. Guys a fighting machine.

jujigatame · Post by **jujigatame** » 12 Sep 2016, 12:05

2-3 pounds is not very significant, even for little guys. I weigh 150 (probably about the same size as most 135ers) and have generally found 10-15 pounds to be significant, but not insurmountable. 2-3 pounds? Not even noticeable. The amount I weigh on a day-to-day basis can even vary by a couple of pounds based on hydration level and recent diet.

I know I'm a little bigger than the guys fighting at 115, but I still think the 3-pound weight gaps are absurd. Could 5-10 pounds make a difference to them? Sure. 2-3 pounds? No.

Enlightened-One · Post by **Enlightened-One** » 12 Sep 2016, 12:07

Román González and Gennady Golovkin are both really good fighters to watch, but the Nicaraguan should be regarded as the more accomplished boxer that has faced a better challengers, which means deserves to be rated higher than the Kazakh.

Whilst GGG is the more exciting boxer to watch, because of the manner in which he disposes his challengers, the calibre of opposition he has faced has been less than impressive, regardless the reasons.

I feel that if Golovkin can score victories over the likes of Andre Ward, Saúl Canelo Álvarez, Billy Joe Saunders and James DeGale within the next 18 months, then GGG should assume ownership of the pound-for-pound crown, be regarded as a dead-cert first ballot Hall-of-Famer and also be considered as one of the all-time great middleweights.

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