Roman or Gennady

[boxing_rocks]

Román González and Gennady Golovkin are both really good fighters to watch, but the Nicaraguan should be regarded as the more accomplished boxer that has faced a better challengers, which means deserves to be rated higher than the Kazakh.

Whilst GGG is the more exciting boxer to watch, because of the manner in which he disposes his challengers, the calibre of opposition he has faced has been less than impressive, regardless the reasons.

I feel that if Golovkin can score victories over the likes of Andre Ward, Saúl Canelo Álvarez, Billy Joe Saunders and James DeGale within the next 18 months, then GGG should assume ownership of the pound-for-pound crown, be regarded as a dead-cert first ballot Hall-of-Famer and also be considered as one of the all-time great middleweights.

Do you expect Golovkin to go up to 175 to fight Ward ??? I think just beating DeGale would make him p4p #1. Canelo and BJS are good wins, but no better than Brook/Lemieux/Murray.

[Enlightened-One]

Román González and Gennady Golovkin are both really good fighters to watch, but the Nicaraguan should be regarded as the more accomplished boxer that has faced a better challengers, which means deserves to be rated higher than the Kazakh.

Whilst GGG is the more exciting boxer to watch, because of the manner in which he disposes his challengers, the calibre of opposition he has faced has been less than impressive, regardless the reasons.

I feel that if Golovkin can score victories over the likes of Andre Ward, Saúl Canelo Álvarez, Billy Joe Saunders and James DeGale within the next 18 months, then GGG should assume ownership of the pound-for-pound crown, be regarded as a dead-cert first ballot Hall-of-Famer and also be considered as one of the all-time great middleweights.

Do you expect Golovkin to go up to 175 to fight Ward ??? I think just beating DeGale would make him p4p #1. Canelo and BJS are good wins, but no better than Brook/Lemieux/Murray.

I believe that the GGG-Ward bout would have to be staged at a catch-weight. Perhaps 172lbs.

Both these guys are HBO fighters, so the TV network would demand the bout… and if Ward can defeat Kovalev, this would be considered a massive PPV event.

In terms of James DeGale, according to the general the consensus, he’s the best 168lb-er, who happens to have a significantly-sized UK fan base.

A victory over Billy Joe Saunders would make Golovkin a genuine undisputed champion, the last time anyone held this moniker, was Jermaine Taylor.

Finally, Canelo is the leading 154lb-er, the leading PPV star (after Pacquiao)… and the mainstream set of casual fans believe to be the only genuine threat to Golovkin’s unbeaten record for a fight staged at 160lbs.

So if Golovkin defeats Ward, Canelo and DeGale, he would have defeated the Ring Champions of the 154lbs, 168lbs and 175lb weight classes (he's already defeated the best 147lb-er, in Brook). The Saunders fight awards GGG the prestigious title of being the genuine undisputed world champion.

In my honest opinion, Brook, Lemieux and Murray aren’t good enough to carry the jock-strap of the guys I’ve listed.

For the record, I feel that Andre Ward is the only fighter that would be favoured to beat Golovkin.

[Tanzio]

Román González and Gennady Golovkin are both really good fighters to watch, but the Nicaraguan should be regarded as the more accomplished boxer that has faced a better challengers, which means deserves to be rated higher than the Kazakh.

Whilst GGG is the more exciting boxer to watch, because of the manner in which he disposes his challengers, the calibre of opposition he has faced has been less than impressive, regardless the reasons.

I feel that if Golovkin can score victories over the likes of Andre Ward, Saúl Canelo Álvarez, Billy Joe Saunders and James DeGale within the next 18 months, then GGG should assume ownership of the pound-for-pound crown, be regarded as a dead-cert first ballot Hall-of-Famer and also be considered as one of the all-time great middleweights.

Do you expect Golovkin to go up to 175 to fight Ward ??? I think just beating DeGale would make him p4p #1. Canelo and BJS are good wins, but no better than Brook/Lemieux/Murray.

I believe that the GGG-Ward bout would have to be staged at a catch-weight. Perhaps 172lbs.

Both these guys are HBO fighters, so the TV network would demand the bout… and if Ward can defeat Kovalev, this would be considered a massive PPV event.

In terms of James DeGale, according to the general the consensus, he’s the best 168lb-er, who happens to be unbeaten, with a significantly-sized UK fan base.

A victory over Billy Joe Saunders would make Golovkin a genuine undisputed champion, the last time anyone held this moniker, was Jermaine Taylor.

Finally, Canelo is the leading 154lb-er, the leading PPV star (after Pacquiao)… and the mainstream set of casual fans believe to be the only genuine threat to Golovkin’s unbeaten record for a fight staged at 160lbs.

So if Golovkin defeats Ward, Canelo and DeGale, he would have defeated the Ring Champions of the 154lbs, 168lbs and 175lb weight classes (he's already defeated the best 147lb-er, in Brook). The Saunders fight awards GGG the prestigious title of being the genuine undisputed world champion.

In my honest opinion, Brook, Lemieux and Murray aren’t good enough to carry the jock-strap of the guys I’ve listed.

I'm not convinced that GingerHead could handle Brook or for that matter a couple of the other top 154 fighters.

[boxing_rocks]

Ring champions??? Those titles became worthless after DLH replaced almost all personnel of the magazine.

[Enlightened-One]

Ring champions??? Those titles became worthless after DLH replaced almost all personnel of the magazine.

ESPN share the same opinion that The Ring does, in terms of rating the guys I’ve mentioned.

If you feel that the media’s perception of the divisional rankings should be dismissed, then Golovkin may as well continue defending his world titles against second-tier anonymous unaccomplished names like he has done so before (i.e. Osumanu Adama, Curtis Stevens, Dominic Wade, Willie Monroe Jr., Nobuhiro Ishida, Gabriel Rosado, Grzegorz Proksa, Makoto Fuchigami, Lajuan Simon, Kassim Ouma, Nilson Julio Tapia, Milton Nunez etc.).

Personally-speaking, I don’t think there’s anything wrong with my idea for Golovkin to share the ring with the likes of Andre Ward, Saúl Canelo Álvarez, Billy Joe Saunders and James DeGale.

[Tanzio]

Ring champions??? Those titles became worthless after DLH replaced almost all personnel of the magazine.

ESPN share the same opinion that The Ring does, in terms of rating the guys I’ve mentioned.

If you feel that the media’s perception of the divisional rankings should be dismissed, then Golovkin may as well continue defending his world titles against second-tier anonymous unaccomplished names like he has done so before (i.e. Osumanu Adama, Curtis Stevens, Dominic Wade, Willie Monroe Jr., Nobuhiro Ishida, Gabriel Rosado, Grzegorz Proksa, Makoto Fuchigami, Lajuan Simon, Kassim Ouma, Nilson Julio Tapia, Milton Nunez etc.).

Personally-speaking, I don’t think there’s anything wrong with my idea for Golovkin to share the ring with the likes of Andre Ward, Saúl Canelo Álvarez, Billy Joe Saunders and James DeGale.

If they can't get Saunders, Jacobs should get his puncher's shot.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

Ring champions??? Those titles became worthless after DLH replaced almost all personnel of the magazine.

They've always been worthless. It's a magazine.

[Tomasino]

Román González and Gennady Golovkin are both really good fighters to watch, but the Nicaraguan should be regarded as the more accomplished boxer that has faced a better challengers, which means deserves to be rated higher than the Kazakh.

Whilst GGG is the more exciting boxer to watch, because of the manner in which he disposes his challengers, the calibre of opposition he has faced has been less than impressive, regardless the reasons.

I feel that if Golovkin can score victories over the likes of Andre Ward, Saúl Canelo Álvarez, Billy Joe Saunders and James DeGale within the next 18 months, then GGG should assume ownership of the pound-for-pound crown, be regarded as a dead-cert first ballot Hall-of-Famer and also be considered as one of the all-time great middleweights.

Do you expect Golovkin to go up to 175 to fight Ward ??? I think just beating DeGale would make him p4p #1. Canelo and BJS are good wins, but no better than Brook/Lemieux/Murray.

I believe that the GGG-Ward bout would have to be staged at a catch-weight. Perhaps 172lbs.

Both these guys are HBO fighters, so the TV network would demand the bout… and if Ward can defeat Kovalev, this would be considered a massive PPV event.

In terms of James DeGale, according to the general the consensus, he’s the best 168lb-er, who happens to be unbeaten, with a significantly-sized UK fan base.

A victory over Billy Joe Saunders would make Golovkin a genuine undisputed champion, the last time anyone held this moniker, was Jermaine Taylor.

Finally, Canelo is the leading 154lb-er, the leading PPV star (after Pacquiao)… and the mainstream set of casual fans believe to be the only genuine threat to Golovkin’s unbeaten record for a fight staged at 160lbs.

So if Golovkin defeats Ward, Canelo and DeGale, he would have defeated the Ring Champions of the 154lbs, 168lbs and 175lb weight classes (he's already defeated the best 147lb-er, in Brook). The Saunders fight awards GGG the prestigious title of being the genuine undisputed world champion.

In my honest opinion, Brook, Lemieux and Murray aren’t good enough to carry the jock-strap of the guys I’ve listed.

For the record, I feel that Andre Ward is the only fighter that would be favoured to beat Golovkin.

Groves has beaten DeGale.

[jbizzle20]

For me it was Gonzalez even before this past weekend. Chocolatito is a special fighter and, despite taking some hard shots, he clearly beat Cuadras with superior skill and owned the ring. Maybe it's just pie in the sky but Gonzalez-Rigondeaux would be THE fight, below the welterweight div. Maybe too high of a climb for Choco but it would make him an f'n legend.

[Enlightened-One]

Groves has beaten DeGale.

George Groves defeated James DeGale almost 5½ years ago, but times have changed, with Chunky now being universally-considered the best 168lb-er.

[Tomasino]

Groves has beaten DeGale.

George Groves defeated James DeGale almost 5½ years ago, but times have changed, with Chunky now being universally-considered the best 168lb-er.

I obviously know when the fight was. You said DeGale was unbeaten

[Enlightened-One]

Groves has beaten DeGale.

George Groves defeated James DeGale almost 5½ years ago, but times have changed, with Chunky now being universally-considered the best 168lb-er.

I obviously know when the fight was. You said DeGale was unbeaten

Apologies, my bad. You're right. I must of got carried away with my post.

[boxing_rocks]

For me it was Gonzalez even before this past weekend. Chocolatito is a special fighter and, despite taking some hard shots, he clearly beat Cuadras with superior skill and owned the ring. Maybe it's just pie in the sky but Gonzalez-Rigondeaux would be THE fight, below the welterweight div. Maybe too high of a climb for Choco but it would make him an f'n legend.

You must be kidding. Roman was almost killed by Cuadras. I can only imagine what much bigger Rigo would do to him.

[boxing_rocks]

For the record, I feel that Andre Ward is the only fighter that would be favoured to beat Golovkin.

He won't be after getting Krushed.

[IKSRTFO]

Ring champions??? Those titles became worthless after DLH replaced almost all personnel of the magazine.

ESPN share the same opinion that The Ring does, in terms of rating the guys I’ve mentioned.

If you feel that the media’s perception of the divisional rankings should be dismissed, then Golovkin may as well continue defending his world titles against second-tier anonymous unaccomplished names like he has done so before (i.e. Osumanu Adama, Curtis Stevens, Dominic Wade, Willie Monroe Jr., Nobuhiro Ishida, Gabriel Rosado, Grzegorz Proksa, Makoto Fuchigami, Lajuan Simon, Kassim Ouma, Nilson Julio Tapia, Milton Nunez etc.).

Personally-speaking, I don’t think there’s anything wrong with my idea for Golovkin to share the ring with the likes of Andre Ward, Saúl Canelo Álvarez, Billy Joe Saunders and James DeGale.

There's literally a 20lb range between these fighters.

[Enlightened-One]

Ring champions??? Those titles became worthless after DLH replaced almost all personnel of the magazine.

ESPN share the same opinion that The Ring does, in terms of rating the guys I’ve mentioned.

If you feel that the media’s perception of the divisional rankings should be dismissed, then Golovkin may as well continue defending his world titles against second-tier anonymous unaccomplished names like he has done so before (i.e. Osumanu Adama, Curtis Stevens, Dominic Wade, Willie Monroe Jr., Nobuhiro Ishida, Gabriel Rosado, Grzegorz Proksa, Makoto Fuchigami, Lajuan Simon, Kassim Ouma, Nilson Julio Tapia, Milton Nunez etc.).

Personally-speaking, I don’t think there’s anything wrong with my idea for Golovkin to share the ring with the likes of Andre Ward, Saúl Canelo Álvarez, Billy Joe Saunders and James DeGale.

There's literally a 20lb range between these fighters.

Team GGG have been saying that nobody can go the distance with Gennady from 154lbs to 168lbs. Canelo is moving up to 160lbs. Saunders is already a 160lb-er and Abel Sanchez claims that Golovkin would be a better fighter as a super-middleweight, so there's no weight issue preventing the DeGale bout, which Loeffler stated interest in during the Brook post-fight press conference.

The only concern would be Andre Ward, who recently fought at 172lb for the Paul Smith fight. So there would have to be a catch-weight for GGG to fight the SOG.

So no. There isn't "a 20lb range between these fighters."

[boxing_rocks]

Ward's interest to fighting smaller opponents may become even bigger after getting Krushed. I think GGG Team will be able to negotiate 170. The question is if they will even be interested in fighting the boring hasbeen when there are DeGale, Ramirez, Jack, Callum Smith possibilities at 168.

[jujigatame]

If Ward gets KO'd by Kovalev, why would GGG fight him? A dominant champ moving up in weight to fight a guy with a very difficult, defensive style, who isn't a huge draw and is coming off a loss? Don't see it happening.

[IKSRTFO]

ESPN share the same opinion that The Ring does, in terms of rating the guys I’ve mentioned.

If you feel that the media’s perception of the divisional rankings should be dismissed, then Golovkin may as well continue defending his world titles against second-tier anonymous unaccomplished names like he has done so before (i.e. Osumanu Adama, Curtis Stevens, Dominic Wade, Willie Monroe Jr., Nobuhiro Ishida, Gabriel Rosado, Grzegorz Proksa, Makoto Fuchigami, Lajuan Simon, Kassim Ouma, Nilson Julio Tapia, Milton Nunez etc.).

Personally-speaking, I don’t think there’s anything wrong with my idea for Golovkin to share the ring with the likes of Andre Ward, Saúl Canelo Álvarez, Billy Joe Saunders and James DeGale.

There's literally a 20lb range between these fighters.

Team GGG have been saying that nobody can go the distance with Gennady from 154lbs to 168lbs. Canelo is moving up to 160lbs. Saunders is already a 160lb-er and Abel Sanchez claims that Golovkin would be a better fighter as a super-middleweight, so there's no weight issue preventing the DeGale bout, which Loeffler stated interest in during the Brook post-fight press conference.

The only concern would be Andre Ward, who recently fought at 172lb for the Paul Smith fight. So there would have to be a catch-weight for GGG to fight the SOG.

So no. There isn't "a 20lb range between these fighters."

172 is above 168 so that's not in GGG's range

[Enlightened-One]

172 is above 168 so that's not in GGG's range

Tell that to Abel Sanchez. Perhaps you can educate him.

[IKSRTFO]

172 is above 168 so that's not in GGG's range

Tell that to Abel Sanchez. Perhaps you can educate him.

Abel Sanchez said he can beat anyone up to 168lbs. That doesn't include anything above 168 which 172 is clearly above.

[crow]

For me it was Gonzalez even before this past weekend. Chocolatito is a special fighter and, despite taking some hard shots, he clearly beat Cuadras with superior skill and owned the ring.

The only clear fact from yesterday was Roman getting far more damaged than Cuadras, and in danger of being dropped in the last rds.

Gennady is the superior fighter because he's a better thinker in the ring.

He adjusts on the fly, and has a larger set of options than Gonzalez.

Roman was running out of ideas while doing his mini Tyson impersonation, neglecting the body work and head hunting at all costs.

It nearly backfired.

In boxing, there's almost no substitute for power and chin.

[Enlightened-One]

172 is above 168 so that's not in GGG's range

Tell that to Abel Sanchez. Perhaps you can educate him.

Abel Sanchez said he can beat anyone up to 168lbs. That doesn't include anything above 168.

If you want to be pedantic, Abel Sanchez actually said that no man from 154lbs to 168lbs can go the distance with Golovkin. He also claimed that GGG will eventually move up to 175lbs. He also claimed that Gennady dropped Sergey Kovalev during sparring. He also claimed that GGG often batters world-rated cruiserweights during sparring. He also claimed that GGG would be willing to face Bernard Hopkins at 175lbs.

If you'd used the hyperlink in my previous post, you would have read the interview transcript of Golovkin's trainer making the 175lb claim.

If reading is not your thing, there’s a YouTube video of him making the same claims.

If you still believe that these claims are incorrect, perhaps you should air your concerns about the inaccuracy of Sanchez’s statements directly to Tom Loeffler.

Here’s his postal address:

Tom Loeffler
Managing Director
K2 PROMOTIONS
358 HAMPTON DRIVE
VENICE, CA 90291

Here’s the generic K2 email address: [email protected]

[PsychoGamerTwo]

Gennady. I don't count these kids. Everybody talking about this Inoue kid, how he would KO Gonzalez. And i haven't even seen this slit eyed midget. Nor i intend to.

why not ? are you not a boxing fan ?

I am, but i want to see grown men boxing, not women, or 160cm midgets.

[boxing_rocks]

Sanchez said that Golovkin may end his career at 175, not jump from 160 to 175 when there is unfinished business at MW. Also, a possibility of fighting Hopkins at LHW was likely mentioned a few years ago.